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Episode 39 · 1 month ago

Ep039 - A Fever You Can't Sweat Out by Panic! At The Disco

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Despite the debut from Panic! selling over 2 million copies, the guys are not as impressed with it as you'd think. They think th $11k budget and 18 year old band members makes more sense as a measuring stick for the quality than the 2 million albums sold. Please don't hate us, Panic! fans! 

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Welcome to finding emo our podcast,where we discuss our favorite albums from the early outs and thereabouts. Iam Blake Fisher, I'm joined by Chris Monier and Kyle Simmons and sorry aboutthe weak, missed episode. I was a fool and upgraded my computer to big Sir ayear after it came out and it wrecked everything technical difficulties. CalI spit. This is a true story, so we do this late at night, generally, at tenPM and last week. So we like we get on here Colin, are trying to figure outwhy we can't get the audio to work for like half an hour. Chris never shows uplike a a lot of Leven piame texts, but he had fallen asleep. So it worked outfine because Chris had fallen asleep. We couldn't get audio stuff to work,but we're back. We've got. We've got everything called in techsupport. Yeah we had to it was. It was a big deal so anyway, we're back we'reglad you stuck around with us and and by way guys. I looked it up this week.We are the number one hundred and fifteen ranked music commentary podcastin America, so I think we could probably knock off like fifteen chumpymusic, you know commentary podcast and we canbe in the top one hundred of music, which is not that impressive yeah. It's not it's not. How many areyou to nine? I just want to be able to. I want to like Brag about it as ifwe're really proud about it. I'm I mean you know what I'm going to put it, I'mgoing to put a o mortgage application and see how that helps me. Get that geta better poor interest rate. Yeah probably, would be like oh well. Thisis where we do loans for people that have top one hundred music commentaryto come over here anyway, so obviously, asalways, we'd love. If you subscribe to the podcast, tell your friends about itor rate it on itunes. Give us a five star view: that's what we want. Wedon't want the other stars we're not interested in them. So today we weretalking about panic at the discos. I literally forgot to write down the year.This came out was this two thousand and five Kyle, Oh five, oh five, your ourLord Twenty O, five coming back with a big one, their debut, of course. Yes from from two thousandand five a fever, you can't sweat out so anyway, Kyle did the research quoteunquote for this one and he's going to start talking about it. Kyle take itaway. So I'm going to give you guys some wikipedia highlights, but thetruth is I'm just going to get this out of the way and I'm going to hate onthis record a little bit and and- and the thing is I have to- I needto preface it with this. I am a panic at the disco fan I am, but these dudes came out in o five andand probably Oh four, when all all of our you know, ambitions were out there.These dudes put out a couple songs on pure volume and got freaking signedwithout playing a single show, and I hated their guts yeah. I was just likescrew these kids and also they were in high school, which, whatever at thetime that was just a couple of years younger than me, but I was still pissedoff like they. They were young punks and had no street cred because, like whenwe were playing, it was all about that. Like have you played here. How oftenare you playing you know and like every single label that all that both of areall three of US talk to I say both both of our bands talked to. It was alwayslike how many shows are you playing? How like how many people can you bringto a club like it was all about that and and in fairness to panic at thedisco they didn't change. The record industry is just they came along at abook mark. You know what I mean like a specific change, where pure volume wasa thing and it was. It was before my space right or is it after? No that'smy space, I mean that era and the same time yeah I mean for on probablypredates my space yeah, but de definitely more of life. It was thedawn of of digital, music right or online music, and I am I correct, andthe the thing I had heard is that they'd never even played a show. Isthat yeah? That's what yeah this was ever played a? I never played a showthat and, like you didn't say in to me, for the amount of times that an arpasked me, how many shows you playing you need to play more shows like. I wasfurious over this band getting signed, and so I just wanted to get that out there,because I'm going to do some, I'm going to do my like a fair share of hating onthis record, but I the last is our podcast were yeah. Well, I mean I...

...mean there. Can ily range. PODCAST isyeah, that's right, medium! Brad! That's right! We have him, we havedozens of listeners doesn't, and you know they probably I feel like they.Probably. I will disagree with me because the other thing that made mehate this band of The Times how much people I'm getting ahead of myself, myfirst impression, but how much is there for research to opinion column, howmuch quile love loved this record, so I'll move on real quickly and thenwe'll get back into that this? This album came out and oh five, it was on.I always say: Decadence is either of you have a better poensisabout decadence. Is it not? Is it decadence? I think so. Is that not howy spelled decadence? No, it's not. I gin think it's a worry yeah. I thinkI've made it. I don't think I've ever tried to pronounce it I'm with I'meither. Okay, what but it's a subsidiary of fuel by Raman. We allknow how that works, and so Nita Nice. Little fact about this is Pete wince base player a Lirais for follow boy incase a lyric, an fall up, yeah! Isn't that a there's? No, isn't that an thing, so he actually signs these kids and atthe time. So when the band first formed, I guessBrandan Yury tried out as a guitarist and Ryan Ross was like no dude you're going to be the singer,and obviously that's the right choice, right r types but yeah pete whence comes along andsigns, then these boys are from Vegas. Let's see I was trying to was is a accurate,discreet that that is true. They were boys. Ryan Ross was, I believe,eighteen and in just starting college when they signed Mat Squire producedthis. So like not not, you know not nobody doing this, but we'll get into this as we move along.Obviously not not a huge budget on this. Do you does it? Do youhave a number eleven thousand dollars? Oh, that ismuch lower than I thought it would be. I mean it sounds like a lesson thatmuch honest peay more than that on way less, oh, myGod, and also reading that it's just kind of like you know a lot of thenotes that I'll have here in a little bit. It makes sense that it was eleventhousand dollar record, but but freaking, so they made a good billiondollars on the they made a good jillion dollars, but Mat Squire did this recordeleven thousand dollars. He must have just gotten back in there's, yeah oryeah points, yeah you're totally right. That's it you're getting points majorlyat that point because there's yeah yeah, I mean a plate recorded in his houseyeah, so one I'm just I'm just impressively low.Does that make you know you o means like there's a Sobrina low budget andlike a Oh, I'm, actually more impressed with the production. Now that I knowthere's only eleven grand I mean yeah, weird. No, I actually exactly. I guess I, andalso I'm kind of like this seems like a weird move coming from the lyricist forfall out boy to pay eleven sand dollars and also, I guess this was before from under the cork trees. So he wasn'tjust money bags Magee at the time. So you know maybe maybe eleven thousanddollars was. You know pushing it, but let's see there were some other tidbits. I want to throw out you: Oh, they started off as a blink windy to coverband, that's pretty cool, and then I cannot find the quote, but but I laughed so hard when I readBrendan Yuri Basically says something along the lines of like when they gotsigned all of these songs on the record, if you can believe it guys or just allthe songs that they had and how she really he's like he's, like you thinkin a these, are he's like believe it or not. These are the only songs we had.It just worked out that it just worked out that they were allgreat and I was just like yeah totally yeah were out and also should can we I mean: Can we segwayinto first impressions, because that's no, let's just let's just like mergeinto it, instead of having a distinct section, let so so my first impressionwas I hated their guts and and...

...only for personal reasons. Right I meanthey totally an't even hear her song Ting right, I mean well also the therethey're beautiful you know: they're handsome men, Pant wince, who, who also, I told youguys on the podcast. We didn't follow boy. Like I love fallout boy. I had a huge ship on my shoulder when itcame to him being the lyricist. I don't give a crap about that. Nobody elsedoes that. So I thought he was an idiot and so pete went signed them. They'dnever played a show. They were beautiful and all of that stuff andsuch a for a lot of boxes, yeah they and my first impression- was not good, but what I will say is from from thebeginning, with this band they were, they were polarizing. I remember likethe people that loved this record loved it all the way like they were in onpanic of the disco- and I say people loosely because it was mostly young females yeah. I was aboutto say what was the age different yeah, these people, that love have a statehere. I don't know anyone my age which, let's put so like for context. We aretwenty two or twenty three when this album comes out, and I would wager to bet that the peoplethat loved them were all at least three years younger than us, Oh yeah, if not six yeah well, and it'sone of those things where obviously at the like at the time that that age gapfelt bigger. But now it's like yeah we're about the same age. But right butlike we, you, when you were twenty three didn't feel the same age assomeone that was seventeen, no, no, not at all, also like also, they just say they justanything. I read from them. I just thought was so pretentious like t e, the o t, the album's writing wasstrongly influenced by. I can't even say his last name Chuck. The Guy Thatwrote fight club was strongly influenced by his writing. I'm like dude, whatever, like very strongly like, explain to me howit was strongly influenced by it. Like you, read his book and half wayunderstood it. You know what I mean like watch this movies yeah. Exactlyexactly and then and then read the book, I just carried the book around on mybackpack. What they mean is that they listen to the PIXIES, whereas my mindthat several times that's pretty good. Okay. So I'mcurious to you so when I'm pretty sure I heard the stuff about them gettingsigned before I'd even heard them like. I think I hurt like that like spreadthat there's this band that had never played a show, Deyron Vegas right, yeah,yeah, their vegas boy, and- and I remember being mad about that, like youkyle and I don't think I'd ever even heard anything from them. I don't thinkI'd heard a lyric or anything and then that first single happens- and I wasjust like. Oh this- the Pete went sign this band because he was like hey. Ifthey're going to rip US off, I might as well make a buck off of it. Yeah andthat's that's what it completely seemed like to me. The second I heard it sothat was like my first impression before I even heard the record was justoh, these guys sound like fall out boy. They're, like a more dramatic fall outboy and Pete wince was like well, I see dollar signs because we're popular which so that has to have been. Irealized they maybe got signed before from another court tree comes out, butthis album came out after from one the court tree correct, look up these dates, because I I that'show I remember it, but I might be wrong. I am looking up the day for from underthe court tree. Okay, we should do this kind of stuff before we record next, athird two thousand and five same year. That's court trek o day before terday, an yeah birthday,oh birthday, buddies man work, give another episode. Thank you. What? If okay, this? Can? Yes pember omuch later? That's how I remembered it and it just seemed like we were in thethroes of the height of fall out boy, and then this comes out and just soundslike unexact ripe, but was so funny to me. Is that the defense from the peoplethat really liked panic at the disco was well but Pete went side them likeas if well, because he obviously doesn't hear a similarity. I'm like Oh,that yeah there's a similar that is not correlation, does not equal causationor whatever thing as well. I was like you know: It's not a defense you'retalking about the boxes to check off like for the haters, including myself, like how about how about how long eachsong title is. Oh yeah, it was. This is like a joke if you yeah anyway, so guys.This is another boring tid bit. I'd normally just have these tracks typedout in application called main stage,...

...and it has a little track list thereand I can just read it off the track list. As I'm going. Okay, here's trackfive and I hit the little play button. I couldn't do that because these areall so long. I can't get my screen wide enough to fit. I've got spotify upstretching across an entire twenty seven inch desk top so that I can readthe twelve word titles. It's like yeah. It is almost comical how long so it'slike that even checks off the box to be something that like kind of got copiedfrom follower I feel like so they invented it, but we have. We have on multiple episodes, discussedreviews and maybe reviews that were on kind or people didn't deserve, like you use so kindly recommended that I pullup their pitch fork review and it's wonderful, I'm mean have beenlots of time. With this later, I don't have to read the whole thing, but giveus it Lilie, it's a a paragram one point five stars out of four: is thathow pitchfork is it four starts for pitch for or is it five? I forget. Okay,even so one point, five stars: How about the headline emo barrel scrapersmake rights of spring seem two decades old. This is a great line. Where does onebegin to describe this steaming? Pile of garbage you've always line you'vealready seen the ridiculous name. So let's try a few song titles on o sides. I love it. So it's like. I don't reallylike music critics in the sense that, like they kind of just crap oneverything all the time, but when they do it exquisitely it's it's my favoritething but of course the ASENION song titlesand the Maroni Band name have nothing on the actual songs. The Usual GuitarBass in drums are augmented by drum machine beats and sense. There would bemore at home, blaring over the PA, your local gym than anything anything onemight consider enjoyable, music, so yeah, I'm I assume more into thisyeah, we'll link to it for sure yeah. Sorry, I have that I have to throw inmy favorite line Blese this poor guy's heart must get broken on a daily basisor something, and if it wasn't bad enough, some one convince him to addsome fancy effects on a track or two that make it sound like someone islightly, karate chopping him across the throat one yeah. Oh, what a poet! I hope that thiswriter went on to great things, poetry or of bad albums or somethingyeah. I just I think it felt and what's funny I don't think I've really got a sensefor how how much younger they were than us and it's in the light of them beinglike eighteen and only spending eleven grand on this record. I'm like it's apretty impressive feat, because I'm always really impressed by the albumsthat are super popular on like that is a shoe string budget. I mean weliterally spent more than that on a five song ep yeah like in minutes inChristini Band, and I'm sure I ll spent more than that too, and we were stillon a shoot. What we would consider a very low budget like we were not moneybets at all. You know now, so that's that's! A really impressive dollaramount for an album. That goes pretty big and I don't know how dude doyou have to planets double platinum, a sound, a hive which is not easy. So athis Monday yeah yeah Pete wince and his EM. He may have made more money offthis record than he did his own. He probably I guaranteed yeah yeah,because if you're talking about publishing and money directly from therecord, you know he did right well, especially when he is a ro assist well,but I oh, but on the first on front of theCork Trees, their first major label, one they're not making like their deal,is not good right at that point, they're not making a lot of money onthe album sales they're, making money on songwriting and stuff, but gosh yeah.So so in some ways, I'm like okay, good for you, but you can just hear the likeimmaturity just founding, and I think that I mean so I didn't like. I don'tthink I loathed it like Kyle did. I think I was just pretty like. Oh thatsounds just like fall out boy, and it's not that in it's. Not that interestingwas what my first impression was. If I just resented them, you know- and I didresent them- that's for absolutely. I think that's a fair way to say it. Ithink that it was like because we were busting our butts trying to make it,and so maybe we're just just paying us as less we we're taking US forse bathsin truck, stop Westroosebeeke yeah, so I mean, but we didn't, I guess, rip off theright band. I we kind of did we kind of ripped off fall out boy? We just didn't.Do it hard enough? I guess we just...

...didn't want it enough. Blake didn't dowell enough, guys, yeah, that's probably the problem. Yeah I mean the the weirdest thing for me was the theblend of electronic stuff, which I'm sure we'll talk about as we get into goand track my track and stuff, but it felt really weird and and not at allorganic. It really felt like someone took two things and like smashed themtogether to make it work and Erin to make them different thanfollow boy right like yeah, and that might have been that might have been ityeah well, we'll have a day to wait in there and that might have been the goal.I don't really know I mean there there's. No, we have no idea like what this beingwas really, I mean other than those pure volume, things which I've neverlistened to. So I don't know what they even sound em like so so yeah. That's, probably unfair thatmost of our first impressions came from nothing to do with the music and moreto do with. But that is crazy. I mean the eleven thousand dollar budget thingis blowing my mind that Pete went that's all it's all they got and then it goesdouble platinum, so a way to stretch the dollar. I've Long said that mostbudgets were way too high, Oh yeah on stuff, and that's really what thelabels problems were was that they were spending way too much on as recordingwas getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. But I would you know that would be wellbelow the floor of what I would say. Yeah someone needs for a full lengthfalling album. So shall we go to track by track fellows? Let's do it? Okaysounds good, so I'm not going to actually do the Intro, because, oh no,I had notes on it. Oh you do. Are you serious, yeah introduction O no reasonshe separate from the next track? Those are my notes. Okay, that's I could mitely agree. I just didn'twant to play the clip, so we can talk about the Intro, but I E it's like I'vegot some pretty through notes here. It just says, Inter instrumental with aquestion mark. I guess it's just beginning to get more angry. I it doesn't make any freaking sense asto why this is separate from the next song. I'm sorry, so I want to have togo back in and cut in the INTRO, because I didn't know we would talkabout the inlet of time. Don't I mean all of it will fit, because I thinkit's like thirty seconds, as it's thirty really stupid and yeah, and it'sjust it, but I mean they're trying to show their little flare for thedramatic I think and yeah, okay, so, okay, so now so introduction, niceshort aptly titled Song and then we get to track to which is the onlydifference between martyrdom and suicide, is press coverage. Here we go I but of the Glow Light Yaw. It's theelectronic breakdown section of track to so yeah. They really hit you with it,Pretty Quick Kyle. What are your thoughts? Normally we give to Chris. Ifhe's air drumming or Air Gitane, you were actually raving, and so I was into go to you on this one, this pup, so I'm going to do plenty of hating onthis record, but I'm going to tell you I like this song. I think it's a goodopening track. I think it's stupid that they, I think it makes it even morestupid that they had an introduction to this song because, like just get intoit and let's get going, I think considering some of theproblems that I have with the rest of the record. They did a pretty good jobof mixing rock and electronic on this one. I think the bridge is quirky andweird and cool, and he he gets a he scats at the end of this song, man,that's what that's pretty weird! So Weird, that's my notes, Chris. What are yourthoughts? Okay, so I am one hundred percent with kyle on this one, like I as much as I load this ban and resentedevery moment of their existence, especially the beginning parts, thissons not terrible so terrible it. So I really I really like the base tone onthe pre course. I like the growl, and I love the cocaine dance partybreakdown. It's definitely like, I feel like it's, it kind of fits. You knowlike it's a departure, but it kind of works, and I mean yeah. I think you guysalready made this Jokeo, but like...

...yeah like did they download every freevs t plug in they could find you know to get like because they're alreadyusing so much crap at this song, I'm like guys is the first song just holdthe phone for a second like they're, like wait, my friends, brother, justdownload, fruity loops yeah, and he made this, but it yeah. I mean that'swhat it sounds like. Sometimes I mean this guy, your quit. It didn't need theending Kyle like that dot. That do thing like you didn't need that, likethere was already too much song with one goon anyway, nerd yeah, it really does have everythingcales got your clown. Sex beat it's gonna, let an electronic break down.It's not allow boy style vocals, including him bill inability tounderstand what the hell he's saying and so, but I do like the melody of theSong Yeah there's a lot of things to say, but I do like it and I, like the the great course to- and he has somegood clever little lyrics, but it just feels like that's what he mostly doesit's like. Oh here's, a clever lyric is nothing. This song is not aboutanything Yep, that's what that's what kind of and this this would be a goodexample. It's like the swear to shake it up is like clearly the hook of alyric. In this thing, and- and you know it's not like- I needeverything like I said- I'm not a lyric guy, but things can be to try. You know a dude and they getthey can make a point. Sometimes he could make me feel something. So you know, I don't know, that'sthat's track one. I guess, but I mean overall, it's a good song like Iactually like it's not bad. It's not. There are things about it that arecertainly not for me and certainly we're. Definitely not my style in twothousand and five guys for some kids that never played a single supper beingeighteen years old and eleven thousand a track. This one track cost sixhundred dollars to produce partly way to go. You know good job way betterthan I mean look. I can show you what I was doing for similar shoe stringbudgets and they sound like crap and, and maybe the songs are even worse, andso I'm not going to- and you know what I say I don't do anything better thaneighteen. I do think anybody's going to get mad on us for hating, because, likefreaking, Brendan Eure is sitting in his mansion, some who cared how hedoesn't Mo. He doesn't care what we think and also like what we thinkdidn't affect this record selling two million copies so right. Well, Iappreciate the journey that they've been same. Absolutely sure like it'slike I mean this was the fir yeah yeah it's this is is great, but likepeople liked it and they made enough money to like build a career and makereally good songs and gosh good for them, Ye hate them exactly for them allright, let's go track to which I'm only saying these titles one time at pieceby the way line. How just say three words from it: Let they got that do Ifeel like I just got to do the whole thing: okay, okay, London, Beck andsongs about money written by machines. Put the just a Wili think this was thesong that I was playing over and over again, while trying to get our audio to work last week for an hourand therefore that part of this song was in my head all ways in Florida,making you just wait on just that clip just that. That was in there prettydeep. What are your thoughts on this track?Cow? Okay, so I've got a few thoughts. I think it's, I think it's anotherpretty good track. Well, yeah! You can stack the first two. I I actually thinkit's some of the best lyrics on the album. You talked about things gettingtrit and like they're, just they're, just not real good at it. Yet like theand but this one in particular the the hook, we're just a wet dream from the websine make us make us it make us hip, make a scene or shrug us off yourshoulders. Don't approve, prove a single word that we wrote like. I think,that's pretty cool. I like that yeah. I I do think that, like we didn't haveit there, but like the pre course is super long on the song and that's kindof weird. I do like that little clip that you played because it's got like afreaking boys to men vibe to it a little bit. That's true yeah, but I think it's got a great hook and acool cool musical bridge. I think this is another good song and- and I thinkthat more so than the first song, this one is a little bit better at becausewhen I think of panic at the disco and...

...especially what they became, became asthey started to blow up they're like a Oh gosh, they're cinematic, you knowwhat I mean like they yeah and so lager for the dramatic I M, very lapdog,costumes and the, and so like. This is a better marriage of that style andmusic. In my opinion, then, the first track, like that that you know circusbeat that comes in on the first track, is a little jarring. This to me is likea little bit it's more palatable than that first,because the middle of that first track literally sounds like the score of in amovie when they show up at a nightclub. It's like the fake song, that's playingat the night club right like in while John Wick murders people in thebackground or whatever I m yeah, that's what it sounds like super intense andit comes into so hot yeah. This one did a better job of marrying. The twodefinitely agree with that. Chris. What are your thoughts on track? Three, Ifeel similar. I like the you, the precounselled like it, and I like thepanic meat, the press line, and you know the kind of what's that selfdeprecating. But what's the word I'm looking for justyou know talking about self aware person yeah yeah like, but but but italso, you know greatly angers me like that they are like okay, so God they'relike pretending their J Z right now right and then they ended up actuallybeing famous, so they called the shot before they shot it. And if you heardthis record when it came out and hated them because they never played a show,you'd be like Oh you're, already talking about like you're famous, andthen they got famous, I'm just like what well. They took a key from hip hopbecause that was always my most fail thing about. Hippop is a feature not abuttelike literally get an advance from a label, and then they write our songabout how they're, rich and famous and because I'm always like wait a minute.These people, like no one new fifty cent, was he wrote this record andrecorded it before you'd ever heard of him. So it's like it's almost as youhave to sell. You have to at least try to fulfil that prophecy. There's youknow a thousand people that don't for everyone that does, but then I don'tknow it just feeds into it. So in some ways it's genius it wouldlook really really foolish. If you didn't sell two million copies of thisrecord, though Oh nobody would know, nobody well see a record yeah, but in don't you think, there's atipping point where, like you, can't have a thousand people that, like youand think, you're Dick for being acting like you're, too big. It's like that,needs to snow ball to a certain degree before people don't care about that. AmI over thinking? No, no! I'm I'm with you! There's the numbers. Seventhousand yeah yeah the the a o do the math on this and tweeters. There aremany records, yeah, there's, probably some math therethat you have to do it's like intense stuff, with a calculator, a scientificone but taxis instrument. Yes, and you got a T, eighty three for sure you gotto bust that out, but I just feel like there's not like. If you saw these guysat a club playing to thirty people with this lyrics, would you kind of belike what? What does this dude problem like there's? No way you wouldunderstand what he was saying, but if you saw in front of a thousand people you'd be like okay, I don't know I. Idon't know that it. It seems like a weird thing. It just seems like someonewould catch on to that, but maybe eight fourteen year olds, don't I also blake.I I feel like. I need to throw this outthere, because I mean you mentioned it. You wouldn't see them playing at a clubbecause they never played a show hi yeah, yeah yeah. I heard that fromsomeone okay, so yeah I mean I feel the same way. Ithink it's a good track. I think it's a good song. I do actually like some ofthe lyrics on this one and and that part that was in my head, though I'mtired of it's not even my favorite part of the trap move on, but it was in my head for most most of thetrip. So all right, let's go to track for which is nails for breakfast taxfor snacks. Is Mona we're going to do first? Whatyour thought on track, for I have thoughts, thought multiple, luralthoughts. I think this is my last point on this song, but it'll be my firstpoint here. This song is very...

...forgettable. Let's see what else do Ihave the auto tune? flappy thing, I think that the pitchfork person istalking about is I put I put why God why this is the most awful thing I'veever heard on that we know that he goes up to. How can you pick them likelistening back and like like lise trap? I as exactly what I was talking aboutman, you got it you hit it and how did a producer, let that get out of becausethey probably did this in five days. I mean, I know, I'm being realistic. Imean like, if, like a decent studio, would be athousand bucks a day yeah, so at the very most they had, they must havespent eight days in studio, because if it was eleven thousand dollars andthat's mixing and mastering too there's just no way that they know it couldhave been that, like the guy takes no money up front and it's all yeah butlike. I doubt that this band was like not guaranteed to pop off like they did,and I don't think someone would do that for like no money, yeah yeah well- and Ialso it also made me mad that he stuttered on the word stutter. I meanthe great job bery toping, but, like I just I could picture a butch ofnineteen year old, just like congratulating each other, how cleverthey were Gobierno make. It also mention on thispodcast about as much as two thousand but o bands for some reason go. What are your thoughts, so I think that it is pretty forgettableand- and I also think that that's not so bad compared to where we're headed on this. So I think it is so like I mean I'll,say something nice, I kind. I dig the vibe of what they're doing on thecourse. It's just not good. Like I don't know if it's a CYNTHEEA guitarthing, that's going on changes up and also aside from the autotune. Iactually think that this is Brendan Yuri sounding the most like himself andand not Patrick Stump. So I think that that's a good thing, because that dudeis he's, got some pipes and and obviously goes on, to show that, likehe's got a voice of his own, so but yeah you know it's just whatever Imean it's got all the things that I don't like. I feel like the first twotracks. I buy first two tracks I mean not including the intro first threetracks. First, three tracks are, you know like okay. This is pretty good andonce again I feel like back, then anyone could do the first two trackswell and then track. There is just like yeah, it's got the bad autotune. You knowthat's like not on purpose. I don't think this is not tea. PAYIN AUTOTUNE!This is like they just said it and didn't I don'tknow it sounds bad, listen, didn't, listen to it, didn't listen to it orsomething yeah, and it's got that it's got the conflicting drums. A just dropquantized perfect, beats in there and then put a Flam snare on top of it. Itsounds like the I mean it sounds terrible like it'slike the drums aren't quantized. The other thing is perfectly quantized andit sounds bad because he's not playing right to it and it's just weird there'sjust all it's like again. It's like you could have just taken that out and itmight have been fine but like, and then it also I don't know just like yeah,I'm with you, these weird vocal stuff yeah. It takes me right out of it. I'mlike okay, first to track, we were pretty good. This one's just like I'mout it's not good right now. I forgot a note guys that this is legit. I had a dot dot dot after after what Isaid about this song, and then it says the album starts to get messy. I, like I've, never heard anyone sayconflicting drums. I feel like that's a brand new sentence that you created andI want it to be a t shirt. They are conflicting. I mean they're ther's, notit's like you do one of the other, but you can't just do like. Oh I'm going todo a kick flam thing. On top of this perfectly quantized electronic beat it's going sound like three snare drumsare going off, but going to sound like two million recordssold yeah. I know they don't care about what I've got to say. Okay, so we'regoing to track five, which is what is it Commisit Amatore? Who knows? I don'tknow something like that here we go...

Chris Monie thoughts on Camaca Song is a lot, as the kids say. I mean it's kind of got a nice grooveto it. I, like the guitar work on the verse, and I like the mellow coursebecause I like they're so much of what they do is just so in your face andintent that you almost feel like throwing out from anxiety. But this isthe you know they kind of chill out a little bit here and I like the the Bthree, the the the roads o B. Three, I listen same thing. No, those aretotally different ones in Oregon ones, a it's the organ when I'm going for yebet that's B, three yeah: okay, that's what that's! What Yeah? I'm glad I puta sash and not a dash and yeah. So Kyle said Song before thisthing start to get messy, and I think I added this dot here, like the versus,with all the words and everything. In the same, it feels like it's the sameregister and the same melody every song just and so it's kind of starting tohurt my brain a little yeah. I don't know that I could sing most of theverses to you, but the chorus is like I love the chorus on this song yeah. I,of course you like t yeah, I think it's one of the better ones what's funny tome is that it like. I find that I gravitate towards the songs on thisrecord that just sound like follow boy songs, and this sounds like all thisone does sound a lot like so I mean it so that just like it could be a fallout boy song, and but I really like it like it's really good and- and I can see why look this happens allthe time. It's like people think Ero Smith is you know the you know theAmerican answer to led Zeppelin, and you know it's likethere's all these things that happen at the same time and when something's really popular thenatural thing is that people are going to copy it. I mean it, it happens withyou know, blinkey to comes out. Pop punk comes just roaring out. The thingfollow boys kind of, like probably the next one. Don't you think is the nextbiggest yeah like post blinkey to WHO's bigger, could charlet blank wenerfollow boy at this time all well I mean I'm not saying at this time. I'm sayingfollow boy ended up being: Oh, absolutely absolutely much bigger deal yeah, so I expect there to be a copycats, and but this is a good. You know, I'm fine with also saying hey. Thissounds a lot like fallowby, but it's really good. That's mine cow! What were you at onthis trap? The overlap of all three of our notes is insane. My first note,like my birthday body, a lot going on versus not my fav great hook sounds alot like follow boy. That is unbelievable. That's literally writtenon your note, like that, it's I oh, I did right. The intro was cool also again with the. I think the thingthat, along with a lot of other things that turned me off for this band, liketheir electronics like that clip that you just played it it's like almost as annoying as lockingon to the Internet, used to sound like it's Abrasive, there's nothing. Thereis nothing about that. That's like! Oh, that sound. That sounds good in my ears.You know what I mean it's like Whoa, why? Why is that in the song? I thinkso it's super entimeters. I think it's there because intense they wanted thatelement there. That element is not as easy to do as people think it is because, generally when it's easy, thatmeans there was no it's just like cutting paste fromsomething out of the box kind of thing. There's not like any editing a that or something like that,they're literal, taking Li a loop that was already in there. This sounds realbad and a lot of the electronic problems that I have on this record. Ican't fully blame these kids that never played a show like mean e hell. Is thisproducer doing not like it's not mixed at all into the song? It's just like a.It is yeah. Here's this electronic, the bud act with it's, so we that's right.I mean it literally sounds like eyes we can put this in here, but we don't haveany more money. So we cannot my sounds like it. Don't even sound like so picka number between one and ten and that's the volume of setting it at them an it sounds like I ten, like a YamaHamo to remember that keyboard that we were playing with that studio andTennessee with Jim. You know it's like that. You can make all sorts of wackysounds with it. It's like it felt like they were just playing around with thatand going Oh. This would be cool on there and I'm sure that this is whenyou're doing this producing Gig you're, probably going like okay, yeah kidssounds great yeah a little bit more of like yeah,we'll try, that's fine! I within reason...

...you know so matt, Squire and thought ahundred people were going to hear this record yeah or yeah. I wonder if therewas some deal he had like hey. If just do this record with these kids and I'll,give you like I'll, make sure you produce like five big records on fieldby ro or something I don't know. Maybe it's something like that, like ahandshake deal, even as small as the budget was to be fair to everyoneinvolved, got they had one, they had millions of streams on pure volume andthat's why they got signed and why they got picked up and why they pumped outof record. So I don't think a but streams cost zero dollar. No. Your tollon, I like it, didn't always translate what, but it was the dawn of that andso like yeah, so it was exciting that a million people were listening tosomething. So that's true, yeah good point, good point: okay, let's go totrack six, Oh, which is only three words on this one time to dance those Emai kids love to talk about guns,even though they've never touched one. Those my favorite subgenre of Emo isall the like trigger metaphors and gun similes that they have in their lyricsfor things that aren't actual. You know, murder weapons. I don't know it's justfunny Chris Thoughts. Fourth, note thisdecade had just enough gun trigger metaphors. Up to this point, they wentover with this. I'm not kidding. That's like literally what I said on my portpoint like they took it too far. That's what they did. They were like thatperson like the jokes already funny, and then they come in and they're likeyeah and then like a million people, were there- and I don't know, I'm notdoing that right. I'm feeling like like it's like. No, they already talkedabout triggers and then they they have shock on wedding and aren't likeactually related, and I don't, I think they maybe thought they were beingclever about connecting those two but the it's like one of those metaphorsworks in this Er. I think they think they're being clever a lot like oh yeah, a this is, I think this might be themost straight up, just kind of rock and roll a punk rock song on record. It'sthat that part I like, and I feel like they kind of chilled out with thelyrics on the verse and it's a little easier for me to keep up catching mybreath a little as Co. What are your notes at? Where doyou overlap with me in Chris? So far, lyrics? Yiks, not a fan of the verse enjoy the chorusjust fine, that's that's what I got yeah. I literally just feel like you're,just tired other than other than noticing the mass amounts of gun andtrigger metaphors. Nothing else really sticks with me onthis one. It doesn't feel very dancing for a song called time to dance andlike this band can be dancing, so I would think the one would dance in thetitle would be dancing, but it's not what were the singles on this? This isone of them right. No, no! No! This is no hold on. I've got him okay, so thefirst single was the only difference between Martin and suicide as presscoverage. Second seeing goal was I rite since not tragedy, huge number three,but it's better. If you do yea number four lying is the most fun BlahBlah Blah Blah Blah and they actually had a fifth single sobuild. We then we'll talk tends to happen on multi, platinum records. Well, good toknow. We think that one's fairly for Goodale, okay, let's go to track sevenlying- is the most fun a girl can have without taking her clothes off affermentioned by Kyle I'm. So he just said the same thing over and over again inthat clip I mean I was laughing so hard when I sent you the time for that song.'...

Nothing else in the whole clip and anis a test, tosser and boy, even a thing. As an girls I get what that is. It'slike there's! No I've never heard of thisthing and he says it a million times as if it was like the jets in west sidestory. Sulke a group I'm supposed to know about. Am I crazy kyle, no man! This is not great, but it's not like. I like the melody,but it just gets worn into me. I, like, I said verse, lyrics, Yikes, melody,fine, verse, music, Good Yeah, no I'm into it, but now all put all those things together, andthis does not make a good song in my personal pin. But I mean it was a hugesingle dude. It's fine! That's it's! Fine, at best it's I agree Chris. Where are you at on its? Is it a good song is a bad song? Is itsomewhere in the middle? I all I know is if I was in a studio, I'd go brandon,I swear to God, if you say testosterone, boys and Harlowe girls, one more time,I'm going to strike you in the face. I pictured that he was like he was likeguys. Not I've got this lyric hear me out and that's all I was going to sayand and the eighteen year olds in his band were like dude, that's so cool andyeah. That's how this as Co do we do we come across is the most bitter old dude,I'm okay. It, though, because I am old- I'm really not bitter anymore, my it. Iknow what will get US objectively, not great and that's. Okay, like I wouldargue that in two thousand and five we would have had similar things to say Ido yeah as young men well, but would we would? We have just been bitter youngmen, then too, because we're do you're just jealous then less better. MoreJealous here's the thing: here's I'm cool with hating on this record,because because I am actually a panic at the disco fan right like I therethere are at least two full records after this that they put out that I amin love with and don't want them to go away or wouldn't change. A thing about,okay, is record is not that I think you're right and here's another goodpoint. You know another band, almost the exact same thing happened to at thetime and I'm not pissed about it, and I love this band. The killers also vegasabso, basically have recorded. is they recorded half that record themselves,or whatever I mean Mr Brightside s, the first song they write together thatsongs, amazing, like that records really good. It's got a few songs thatare like. Oh, you guys are young, and this is your first album it's not butlike it's got like four or five singles on it, and I love that band. I continuelove that band. It's not it's not completely about the like fact thatthey didn't pay their dues or something O. There's I mean there's jealousyinvolved, but also the these dis. This is not sometimes when a record is super hyped,it doesn't live up to the hype. You knowwhat I agree is yeah. This did not live up to the I the height for me in twothousand and five for sure, for as much as people were talking about. Okay,let's go to well track. Eight. I actually did dothe intermission a AH we needed to so here's the intermission and just does that for forty moreseconds. It's that same mind not too long at it's too long. What would have been the right amountof time? How many so they played that riff eighteen million times? How many Ishould they have ad enough of it right then yeah. That was it. That's all Ineeded, and it goes on for two and a half minute. Now it's not just that!There's some other stuff, but it's all very boring. It's I picture again thatthey were just like. Oh, that is so cool. This is like it's not yeah. I waslike gonna skip it and he was like no. This is so atrocious. I have to includetwo minutes and thirty five seconds Kyle. I thought the exact same thing Iwas like if they would have played another twenty second track here, likethe intro. I would have like rolled my eyes a little bit because, for whateverreason, my pet peeve and Chris you'll know this, because we had a huge fightabout this on our EP. Okay, so I have a problem when people put a track on aback, then when I was buying CDs and you'd be like Oh this track. This CDhas fourteen songs on it and then come to find out like two or three of themare like twenty second intro altro tracks that they split into their owntrack, and- and I'm like this, no, this does not have fourteen tracks on it.Has Twelve or it'd be even worse when it was like it had eleven tracks andtwo of them were like that's like this only has nine songs on it. I Need Bangfor my buck when I'm paying twelve bucks for a CD orwhatever I and Christianized band. We...

...were doing this EP and we have like aweird interest in the song and we had this big long dragged out thing about. I didn't want to do it because I hatedwhen people put it like an intra track on something and a couple of the guyswanted to, and we finally settled on naming it making fun of somethinganother ban yeah we did so, and so that was the compromise. Iwas like I'll do it if we call it probably not- and everyone was likedone so anyway. For some reason. I just have a problem with that, but Iespecially have a problem when they then waste two and a half minutes of mytime with the yeah track, because the reason we did that I think, if Iremember it was we wanted people that 'll be able to skip that intro. We yeahwant to he to not have to play the thirty second inch. It like all flowedinto the song on our train and we yea. That was the argument is like well. Dowe want people to just be able to like put this on a playlist or a mix d atthe time is what we were talking about right, not a playlist, because I meanyou could, but this servicing no, but this hers, no purpose, there's no! No!It's just it's just for the like pretending. This is a circus or a movieact. I mean that's what the Ras about this is about the flare, the atticstuff he theatrics that they were. You know I mean I like what they were goingfor. I think it's cool to go for something like that. I don't know thatthey, like totally pulled it off on this, but but are you saying, though, that theycould have had the same effect with thirty seconds? Yes of that, just likethe intro yeah that Stinger, whatever yeah it's just a yeah, we didn't needit and we just talked about like for for as long as that track is we justtalked a. We can track itself, okay, so let's go to track nine, which is butit's better. If you do in this last Carles go you first. What are yourthoughts, excellent, excellent pick birthdaybuddy on the on the timing, I'm actually impressed because youfound that long of the song, without that just burning hot piano in the mixholy smokes dude smokes it pull that back pano up forthe mix. You said one to ten, I'm saying twelve thirds. That is a twelve.Oh, my Gosh, I I do dig the theatrics of this songand I think again, like it's fun to I'm not saying. I think this song isgreat but they're finding themselves on the song and and- and I enjoy that I don't know is that- are those arethose electronic horns or is that, like a harmonica, that's that's beendistorted that we just heard. I think it s one of those big like the thing, oddly enough, speakingof the original CD that made me think of those Intrat is a wasis. What's theMo story morning glory that kind of mouth heart thing that he plays, butit's actually like a keyboard. Okay, I know what it sounds like where youcan't blow through it, but you're, also playing like a little keyboard on top.Sounds cool and then also you know, there's just not a lot ofthese moments on the record. One of the best moments on this record is thisending going into the next track? It is yes well, so if you noticed excellent,the other cal thing about that clip that I think Chris picked. I know Ichanged one of these or something, but I don't. Maybe it won this one. I thinkit anyway, Chris picked it we'll give them the credit, for it. Is thatthey're doing the cord progression that you're going to intro the next trackwith, and I like that cool kind of foreshadowing thing, which is like verycool, I mean, I think it's a I'm not being facetious at this point like Ican hear that this track and the next one are like. Oh, this is actually morethe identity that they're going to end up. Oh yeah, like blooming into, and some of theother stuff was trying to throw stuff at the wall, and I don't think it wassticking right, but like this track and the next one is a really cool. I'm likestarting to get like a Oh, I can see how you guys will eventually be able todo a kind of word or kind of thing that we're getting with some other bands atyou know like mice, an look romance back brain and things like that, but this is the first glimpse of it,and I do I actually really do like that for shattering thing, and I love theoutre. I I half thought about doing that is going the outer of this songinto the Inter of the next one, but anyway it's very cool Chris. What areyour thoughts on on this track? I know: Do I completely agree with you guys you cann kind of hear him findingthemselves on this song, and it just...

...feels like a more complete thought. Youknow it's like this is a song that was put together and not just a butch ofslap dash like random, musical concepts thrown together and mixed for me well and like in this kind of Spanishmotif. That's in this bridge is way cooler than any of the electronicsthats it happen to for cool. Yes, it's by creative and not like anything thatI could think of that was out at the time I think Green Day had had somesongs where they yeah they did it on the warning album that we talk about-and you know this, the aesthetic of this bridge goes better with the visualaesthetic they're going forward to like the video for the next song is likethis kind of early nineteenth century late. Eighteen or I mean sorry earlytwentieth, nineteenth, looking kind of thing, and this fits that better, evenvisual, you know like half the thing that was cool about mychemical romance was the visuals matched the aesthetic like to such aperfect degree and the the bridge of this and going in the next track waymore fits that visually than like the electronic stuff does, because youdidn't see anyone rocking a three piece suit at the club exactly, and so iteven like this is where that thread starts, making a lot more sense. Ithink they were like really probably just bursting at the seams with kind ofcreativity and didn't know when to like shave. The thing off, like I thinksometimes the best thing you can do is take something away from a song or takesomething away from whatever it is like it's kind of like okay, let's trymuting that channel and you're like Oh there's, the space that we needed, orit feels more full, even though we took that out, and I feel like they'refiguring that out I'd be so curious to know which tracks were recorded firstand last in the order, even written first and written last, because I betthese two were later Yep. I would that so too. Just just a guess. I don'tthink they had these ones in the bag, but I could be wrong. Okay, let's go to track tin, which is,I write, sins, not tragene. Well, imagine as I'm pacing the pews ina church corridor- and I can have Bo to hear, though I can help it to her inexchange. You words wedding, what a beautiful adding to thebride Batatas, the poor girl, Botian people ever heard of closing content or better to face Chris. Your thoughts onthe I right sins, not tragedies. Obviously the song is awesome, I meanthe they just completely nail it. This is like that that, well, you weretalking about the two songs and on this one is like okay, you guys you nailedit. You have freaking nails a way to go. This. Is this songs, probably why albumsold most of those copies right? So A R? Yes, because I was still getting overmy bitter bitterness and angriness, so I don't think I respected it as art atthe time. I no. I like this song at the time. I remember think ever I don'tlike. I ever bring myself to say I like it wasn't like. Obviously I did itwasn't enough to make me love the band, but it was, but I was definitely likethat. Intro is really cool and and no one did a plucked string intra and onceagain the Kinda talk about what they like take out of it. It's just that inthose bells and the vocal at the INTRO, and it makes it so interesting yeahbecause there's nothing going on and and a huge Kudos to them on on thechoices for that and the strengths sound real. They might not be it'seasier to do that. Pluck eleven thousand dollars, probably not yeah. Iwould not think so, but like they sound good like, but obviously it's a loteasier to sample that plucking than it is the Boeing well of back then, butthe sound good it sounds they put out of the Lux version, and so it's it'svery possible that those strings have been replaced. What you would thought, may I doubt itwe're hearing what we're hearing, maybe maybe real. I have no idea I would do,but, but they put out of the Lux version, not long after they hit it bigwith it. So maybe you could be right, but he sounds good. It's a great greatchoice, Co. What are your thoughts on it? Man, the Pitsane I freaking. I love thetheatrics of this song and it is the best example of tastefullymixing those elements with their music like. I don't think that I don't think that they dis in, norshould they their kids, but they don't display much taste when it comes tothat stuff. I think on this album and I...

...it is perfectly done this song freaking rocks and I'm with Chris like at the time Iwas just like nat they suck, but but this song this song is greatdude and it sounds great, and I mean it's clearly their best work onthe album. So there were lots of bands back then that I would maybe not like, but would have a trackthat I'd be like, but that track is fire yeah, so good, but- and this wouldbe one of them- I mean like this track. I just think it's the because thatcourse comes in. It sounds just like any other kind of Pop punk rock fall out boystyle song on the chorus and we're back to normal but like if they would havedone that with an electric guitar on those verses. It just wouldn't be thesame like it could be the exact same song without that the bells and thestrings, and it just wouldn't be the same. It's a great it's whoever made itKudos, I mean because it's yeah, it's great and it's interesting and it wasstuff, was getting a little homogeneous, and this is where you start going like.Okay, they sound like a more theatrical falloon. This point I'd still. That iswhat I'd call them at this point, but I'm starting to see the identity,at least that they're doing something else themselves so track eleven. Iconstantly thank God for Esteban. I O, U R N thoughts on track eleven. I kind of did this song that he jumpsback into his old habits here with the with the insane amount of words, and that Ithink we're back to. I don't know what we wish we should have named whateverthis melody is that he literally uses on every verse ours it just. They allstart to sound the same, but they give, I think of things going on here. I'msorry! I think it's the. I think it's the same thing where he's writing theselyrics first and then cranking them into a song and damming them in. Yes,if you have the lyrics first, you tend to sit there and try to just sing themand something comes out and it's natural that hit the whatever thatmelody is, is going to come out and yeah. This is definitely one of thehomogeneous ones anyway, keep going, but that and but there are some coollayers here with the percussion and the the acoustic instruments and the keys.It's not terrible yeah, it's middle of the road. For me,I'm like it's kind of another forgettable one where, like I couldn'tsing this song to you without the track, a Kay. What are yourthoughts on it? I think I put the bridges cool I like that, it'sbouncy and then there's kind of like a second bridge on this song that I enjoyed it's it's good. I like it just fine,but also man, talk about. You know. We talkedabout placement a lot we were. We were in a real suck desert a little bit agoon this record, and this song may be in the midst of that would have been would have been a breath of fresh air.You know but like after after the single so yeah you know, what's it mean yeah nothing's, going toquite you burned that one yeah I mean that is a hard part. It's like in we've, collectively written fewenough records that I don't think we would be experted this at all, but it'slike because you don't even know which one is really good. You know I mean now.I don't know how these guys can't be in a room, and here that I write sins, nottragedies, isn't he the monster hit on this? I don't know that anyone wouldhave had a different opinion than that in the room, but it is funny becauseyou're like how do we? How do we follow up the one I mean most people try toeither change the field or go to the ballot, or if it was the ballad beforeyou go to rock whatever the kind of thing is you try to change it up enoughthat you're not comparing the two songs, but this one just kind of blends in,and so I think it naturally just makes it it's I'm indifferent and you'reright kyle. I think it might have been more impressive, maybe not right after this song, but Idon't know. Maybe that's all hindsight. Let's go to track twelve then, which Ithink is the longest title on the whole thing. It's got a comment in it. It's aliterally run on sentence. There's a good reason. These tables arenumbered, honey, comma. You just haven't thought of it. Yet all righthere we go...

...o answer. I've never T, and you can'tstand it. You can never be, and you can stand Carl et's good to you. What are yourthoughts on the penultimate track that I'm not naming again you son of a gun?Chris, you did it again. My number one note I was going to rantabout what the F is going on with the piano on this song. She's she's, the only clip where thereis not a noxious piano it like truly, is there's a there's, a good. I putholy smokes too much piano in the mix. Thank God for the horns and snaps thatmake the piano stop. Musical outro bridge is great becauseno piano, I you just don't like pianos. It's not that it's the mix holy smokesdude like it's. It is insanely loud on this song like Insane Lad, but I was II was just trying to pick a good clip is a good clock. You I clerte's the is the best it's the bestpart of the salt. I just I'm just rambling, like a madman on these twosongs. People need to go back and listen, we'll say: There's a horriblymixed piano on this you're, not wrong, but what's funny you're right, wepicked all the best parts of these songs, but most of them are kind of so all over the place, sometimes thatthere are entirely other parts that just are train racks and we probablycould have done two different clips for each song to be like. Well, here's thebest part and here's the train wreck part because, what's funny is that wekeep going like that's a pretty good clip, but then there's this other part.That's just what is happening and I think that's. The problem is thatthere's there's quite a bite album that is derailing, but there's always a goodpart of most of these songs. Is that fair to say I mean I think,every part every song has at least one thing, I'm like. Oh, that's cool thatclip was was perfect, but there is you I mean I highly recommend everybody.Anybody listening to this go back and listen to the absurdly loud piano inthis mix. It is insane so here's my problem. Okay, follow boy starts, maybethe don't start it's at least where I noticed that these really long songtitles they have nothing to do with with what's happening in the lyrics ofthe song. They're just poney for the sake of being punty followed. Boys areat least Poney what the world does. This titlemean there's a good reason. These tables are numbered, honey, comma, youjust haven't thought of it. Yet I don't look. What are we talking about? Doesit have anything to do with anything same thing with the next track? I'mlike I, don't know what we're talking about or the one before it they're justlong for the sake of, and then and maybe I'm just not in on the joke. Doyou all get the titles, and I'm just didn't understand. I do not maybe thering some for years. Are I don't care enough? Okay to know like I didn't lookinto it. I like it when a it's chaos, yeah, okay,it's just okay! It's it's again we're trying we're, throwing we're monkeys,throwing feces, then we just try and think. Okay, I feel like it's justsomething that one of the idiots said to one of their idiot girlfriends outof Denny's and they were like Brandin write that down. Okay, maybe that'swhat it is. That should be the title of one of theonly eleven songs that we've written so far that are all going to be on a multi,platinum, album yea. I hate them so much yeah, it's just because they made somuch money on this. I can't imagine I don't know if I've said it, but I knowI've definitely said I'm a fan of what they did. Now when I say I hate him somuch that's circuit, two thousand and five painting yeah, that's what I'mtalking about and it's all jealousy. Well, I mean it's celse and I wouldn'thave liked this record anyway. Yeah I mean I would have given to those I thisis like. I will say this. This is what's crazy.Let's, okay, we'll talk! I know we'll talk about this on a second, let's,let's, okay, let's go to track thirteen final track on the record, build God,then we'll talk again. I don't know what we're talking about, but herechaos,...

...a e e and before an I know, this is going to be a shockerto you guys. I don't have this one on vinyl, so I don't have the liner notes. Did they give some songwriting to hitRod? No Eberstein? No, that is my freaking note how how did they get away?You have a double platinum, album and not have them as as CO writers issaying, there's no way that did they not get sued for this song. No, theycould like. They claim that it's a hat, it's satire, but it's not it's! It's! It's not satire. It's so is there anyinformation on that? Like specifically, is that really, like I looked up, Ilooked up. Songwriting credits, Rogerson hammerstone Hammerstein arenot credited. I am crazy. They wrote Soto, Music Right, Oh yeah, a onehundred percent and and to further that it says in the let's see I hadn't the bridge melody of build God. Demelois a derivative of the melody of the chorus of my favorite things from thesound of music. The lyrics in the bridge also directly satirize thelyrics of my favorite things, I'm like how do you even say that and Rogers anHammerstein Hammerstein? I'm not I'm not sure on that. How is it possiblethat they're not credited? That's crazy? Well, here's the reason that doesn'twork in court, I'm pretty sure it is because the Dixie chicks got who alsoget brought up on this podcast a lot for some reason they got chewed for that all fly away. One Line that yea inthat song they got sued for that three notes: Three words, because it was clearly the reference tothat song. I mean it was. It was clearly and they were like that's likea sample- that's just like the same as if a rapper sampled that you got to payus for that they were only trying to sum for the sampling, not the like, like songwriting credit necessarily,but still I mean that this could this is either a sample or it's not satire,though or fair use. I can't believe theydidn't get sued. I mean it, maybe maybe settle sic me I was saying maybethey've settled or maybe on another side they've given them credit, but thesongwriters listed on this do not include Rogers and Hammerstown or maybethey're. Just so rich. They don't care yeah, guess the dates of those guys aredoing just fine doing all right, they're, damn okay! So do you mind if I give my thought? OhYeah, God thought I think that they mastered theirtheatrics on this song. I love the simplicity of the music onthe chorus and what is more emo than sampling the sound of music. THAT'S PRETTY TRUE! I, like those notes, Chris. What areyours yeah? I mean I guess. First of all, I was like H W I read Iwas very into in this song to because of the obvious you know few of my favorite things play up there, but I noticed it. Itsaid they closed their shows with this song a lot I was like how in the worlddid they pull these? This off live an. I guess. It's just just playing playingto tape right, like most of the song, would have just been the samplesplaying right. Well, Dude. I don't know if you remember this or not, but that'sanother thing that pissed me off about this band. is they sell a millioncopies and like when they first toured everybody that knew that went to seethem? They had like multiple cello players like it was a it was I they soyeah they did it o. That makes me like. So it makes me as cold plays beenselling out freaking stadiums and they're playing the tracks, and I'm,like you, jerks, like what you there's need to Ford it. There are eightythousand people here, yeah they're gazillion are you could pay just likejust from tonight? Show you could pay the rest of a full orchestra they wanted to. I meanChris Martin, if you're listening, you're a phony hey, but I go I'd pay togo see that concert tomorrow. If they toured with like twenty piece Orchestra Yeah I mean, would that be so likeMetallica S, N M, but yeah ble? No, but just play the parts that are on theirrecords like I would go. I would pay to go see that well and there's lots ofbeans have done that in their like the autumn of their careers, where theyhave their local Phil Harmonics, learn the songs and play with them yeah whenthey get there that all the Moody Blues play with the Oklahoma City. Filmot wasbad a I saw Ben fold to do the same thing. It was awesome anyway. Yeah theyshould have cold play. Do that I'll buy the tickets,but I won't until they, because I don't...

...care about pro tools playing all yourfreaking guitar tracks without eating what I do like the kind of prod rockmusical thing. I still think they're kind of like this album seemed to havea motif that up to the excellent wonderfully placed andperfectly timed intermission that it kind of was like wait. You guyshave this whole motif going on the album cover, but you're not reallydoing it. You've got some weird, like I said: Cocaine Dance Party beak, justlike coming in randomly and yeah they kind of like the kind of actually doingwhat the motives all about here. The yeah six eight grove here is kind ofcool and and the horns and that that stuff, thepiano, even though it's too high in the mix. These are all sitting the MOTIFand I'm cool with that. I really I've always appreciated a band that has kindof a style. Even if that's album the album or I like that stuff. I thinkthat there's it were especially back then, when it's musicvideos are the thing driving album sales and theatrics even on stage andstuff. Like that, it's like. I appreciate that side of the business.It doesn't bother me that, like they dressed a certain way or like none ofthat stuff, I think it's smart and it's cool when you pull it off, especiallyif the music has some sort of call back to that, and I feel like it does onthis track, but it doesn't on the techno music parts, and so I feel likethis is we're definitely at by the end of this album tracking, for where theykind of go in kind of carve out a thing forthemselves. We just maybe didn't have it earlier in the record, so, okaylasting impressions, does it hold up Kyle I mean you know we didn't really likeit, then so that's kind of a bad know. It definitely well Chris. What are your opinions onthat? God now does not it just one song kind of holds up Yep yeah, I would saylike all right since o tragedies is that could be that could have been donetoday. Yeah like as far as there's, nothing about it. That's to I mean Iguess the choruses are going to feel a little two thousand and five orwhatever, but yeah I just I just L, it didn't wasn'tgreat, then it doesn't hold up. It didn't get better. It wasn't likePinkerton or something where people slowly realized. It was a masterpiece.I think this is a young band with their first album. These are literally thefirst twelve song, or these are lure the first eleven songs they wrote ever.There was probably not a single thing that got scratched from this wholething. If you can believe it, and that'sinteresting and and I've got a so so yeah in Kudos to them it not, maybemaybe it doesn't hold up but like if I told if this was a local band, that waseighteen years old and did this for eleven thousand bucks in two thousandand five we would have been really impressed with it. Does that make sensedude? If I, if I had recorded the first eleven songs, I'd ever written, itwould be a garbage fire like yes, it would just be. It would be awfulactually might be funny, because it's Fu mine would be bad well, you be ontop of that to imagine having a producer and like somebody who's likesuper famous telling you that you're awesome like you, the Hubris that wouldcome with that would also make you make some really questionable choices. Ithink I did. I recorded my first kind of like solo thing when I was nineteen, so I'm ayear older than he is at this point, and it was three or four thoroughlymediocre songs. Not Not none of them were destined to be anything really. So I'mnot like. I said I would be reallyimpressed, but when this bang gets launched into the stratosphere, I doesthat make sense like there Iuliu be like. I would not expect it to godouble platinum, but I would have been impressed if some eighteen year old kidI knew did this, and so maybe that's unfair for me to judge it to differentways, but that's kind of how I feel about it. What about I mean? We know the answerto this, but because I don't really pay much attention to the rest of theircatalogue. Kyle, I feel like you're at least going to have an opinion here. Isit their best album and if not, what is their best, not even close to theirbest album. So I am one of the weird people that their next record pretty odd, isinsanely. Good, like I am in love with it. It is. It is perfect okay, so Ishould I've really I've never listened to any of their other stuff, becausethey just do were my thing. So, what's crazy about that record, is it's theirrecord, like so they're? Eighteen on this on this record right between this record and their nextrecord and loving the and loving...

...theatrics, the way that they did theygravitated towards the Beatles, and that next record is basically theirhomage to that music, and that is well, I'm a eetle, so I will check it out andripping off the Beatles you're like forty years removed at that point, asopposed to follow it boy, which is happening thelike in May, and your album comes out o September. So I would say to anybodythat hasn't listened. I would check out pretty odd. It's nothing like this record and thenthe next record that I love is actually the one that is kind of Brendan Yours. First Soloattempt the too weird to live too rare to die. I think it's it's a thousand thirteenrelease and it's just it's excellent. So what's the so, what's the liketimeline? This is little how little I know. What's the timeline from likepanic at the disco being a band to just being brandon? Well, so they put out an album vices invirtue, which I believe John Feldman had a little bit to do with in twothousand and eleven and then- and this is like all of them, or at least someof the way she's two of the guys that put yeats the drummer and and and brandthat's it by two thousand and eleven. It's just the toe, Yeah Ryan Ross leftafter after the second record. Okay. So it's pretty much been brandane writingeverything, but I mean as far as it feeling like him being him being a Idon't know like. I don't think he. I still don't think he quite feels like apop star when he does it like he doing the song with Taylor, swift, which Imean. That's you don't get bigger than that. You know what I mean like, but he still definitely call him a popstar. I mean I'm not saying he's, not one. I'm just saying, like he's stilllike to me, he's still a little bit of a rock star. Okay, that's fine just alittle bit, but I'm saying also like as far aslevel of success like you don't get bigger than that freaking Taylor, swift,yeah! I mean not a lot of that's a big deal. So no there's not their best record butcheck out pretty odd and too weird to live too rare to die. So is that theirmost important Alman, because it just launched him into the totally thingwith yeah, I would say it's their most import to million records sold. Okay,YEP! That's fair! Okay! I mean this one'sgoing to be kind of funny this time so on the awards, Desert Island, songs,two or three of your favorites I mean normally. This is a challenge for us toN, whittle it down to three. But it's more of a challenge for me to pick three songs. I would actually taketo a desert island, but I can pick my three songs that I would say the besttracks on the record, but Christy want to go first, so I chose to decide thatthis exercise was me with. You know not to use a labored metaphor, a gun tomy head and I had to pick three song. So that's how I went I'm not even tosay all the words. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARTYRDOM BLAH BLAH BLAH isnumber one number two is whatever we decided. Commissars is supposed tosound like and then number three, the obvious. I write sense, not thetragedies yeah, I'm definitely with you on our right since not tragedies andcome Sado. Those tracks are really really good andthen like so like those two, no problem, I can pick it because it's two or three,I think those are my two. I think I'm not even going to a third one, becausethose two are really really really good to me, but I like it, but I'm not going to gofor a third, because I'd say you know there probably is a third one. There'slike a tie for third kyle. What are yours fame? Is My birthday buddy cast rightstraight up, which you know, I think our theory so far on this record. Imean on this podcast generally. Is that like, if we all agree, it probably means the whole record, isnot that great or if we don't say oh, it's so hard to pick only three and weall have different picks at Johnny means every Song's great, and but you know there are records that noteverything's great and if you have three songs that are really really goodon a record, you can sell two million records and then go on to get better songwriting and make songswith Taylor Swift, yeah so Kudos to them. Props, like I said these threeare way better. Everything we just listed is so much better than anything.I had written at Nineteen for sure or even now. Maybe I don't know and I'msure it was the same for you guys. I don't think any of us had writtenanything that could have passed for that at eighteen or nineteen, so Kudos,okay. So what about nobody's perfect? What's theworst song, so I mean we obviously know that this is less than nobody's perfect,but, let's just say like objectively. What do we think is the worst track onthis record. I mean not the Intermission,...

...okay, not what about the intro no comeon, there's an actual bat. I mean the testosterone boys, man, that's prettybad dude well, but at least the real buddy, no, no Tis the song as the worst.So I was going to say that London back in so I mean I just like. I think it'sjust such a bad lease be such a fitting. That's the song we're talking about. Oh,that is like M backin songs, Bah Blah Blah. This is this- is how little thetitles go with each other, so yeah? No, we at the same this stern. Oh! No! No,sorry, sorry, sorry, I think I was trying sorry. I am wrong. I am wrong. Igot my horrible metaphors mixed up. That's the wet do web sine. That is I'mso so sorry- and I was wrong too- that's not the one. I'm talking aboutnails for B N, see literally, this is what happenswhen you name titles that don't have anything to do with your les that I'mlooking at a title list going like none of these songs mean anything to mebecause they don't have the title being: Okay, a Corser. I was talking aboutnails for breakfast. The third breakfast is pretty bad, it's prettybad and for our listeners, the song that me and Kyle that makes us want topull our ears off is lying is the most fun a girl can have while taking herclothes off yea, which wasn't a single which was a Ino God, it's just becausehe says it over and over again. It wouldn't be that bad, if you didn'tunderstand English, but the thing is this I'll say that I for a lot of songsat the sound. This is this is why it's another reason why I resented this bandis because I feel, like their fans, did, give a crap. It was just like. No, thisis great. It's like no, it's not great just frustrate, so I told so. This iskind of funny. So I okay, we a buddy of ours that was in a band and Adam from Leo, was to r managingthis band called the hush sound and they were touring with Jacks man pan atthe time, and so they were coming through their plan Tolsa, and so theyneed a place to stay. So I put the whole band up at my parents house,because I know how often we needed a good place to stay with hot showers,and you know people not ashing on the carpet things like that, and so theywere really cool. Those kids in the hush down were awesome and they wereyoung too. They were younger than we were for sure, and they had just gottenoff to her with panic of the disco- and I was just like I just straight up saidI was like they just sound so much like I mean this had to have been twothousand and five. No, it's definitely two thousand and six because I wasdating lease at the time. So but anyway, as just like they just you got to admitthey sound like panic, Edison. I just remember him like kind of defending I'mlike I'm, not saying they're, bad dudes or something I was just saying likethey sound just like follow boy and- and we know now that it was completelyon purpose right, because Brendan Yuri has a voice of his yeah yeah. That'swhat pisses me off is that, like? I feel, if anything, I feel that morevalidated in that criticism, because he was intentionally trying to sound likePatrick, on this record yeah. Maybe that's just youth, that's just like youloving something and not knowing how to take from it and make something thatyour own and he figured that out. Pretty quick. You know you got thrustinto it, but what was his punishment for completelyripping off fallowby millions of dollars, boring fans a career in musicyeah? We probably should be swift at Taylor, freaking swit yeah. What we learn, kids copy off yourheroes, do it the best, and then you get a million dollars good for you.Yeah, we're like basically be the first carbon copy, the first crig now thefirst good shot a first write on o and be really good. Looking that helps toguys yeah handsome, very O, don't hurt that one's harder to do at Brandon,Yeri yeah. I'm he's easy on the eyes, I'm not going to Iseran right, yeah,yeah, you're, a hair new anyway, so okay, that one's easy. Okay,what about growing out a show or is there a song? Maybe you didn't like atfirst but now love Kyle! Let's go to you first! You know. I think I think that build God then we'll talk might be thatfor me just because I I don't think people who, like this band, I really don'tthink that they were paying attention and listening to the entirety of thisrecord, because panic at the disco to me drove their their image home withtheir visuals like the this. Album is not as theatrical as you would think.After seeing the video for I write, sins, not tragedies, and so I think I think the that build God andthen we'll talk is more along those lines of of of our right sins and and likedefinitely, I guess better put together than theother songs and seems well thought out as far as that, Goeso, so I'll go withthat one Chris. What about you? Do you...

...have a girl an on a shower? I don't and I'm going to tell you why Ijust didn't really list this album that much when it came out. I had the same:A yeah, I'm spending, I'm spending the most time I've ever spent with it. Inthe last three weeks yep same here I heard it I just yeah. It was impossiblenot to hear it back then, but nothing ever grabbed me enough other than thatsingle. But once I thought that was the most impressive song on the record.That's generally a bad sign for me, yeah, absolutely yeah! You know on arecord not just wasn't that into it, but, like I said I definitely wasjealous, but I wasn't I didn't hate. I was just kind of indifferent to it,like I hated Hawthorn heights like that band drum nuts yeah hated it. This wasmore like that's just not my thing and it sounds a fallible and I like followboy. I've already got a good version of them. I didn't need it, you don't need r cCola, you got the real yeah got the real thing. So no well for me any otherfinal thoughts on the album, a fellows before we wrap it up. Nothing. Okay, sorry! I will say youknow as John Olver what was it John Oliver Stephen Colbert tip of the hatwag of the finger. I feel like this fits that perfectly. I e the hat wagonthe finger yeah. I guys I want to say I e awful but good for you waiting on. Iassume there will be just the dumpster fire. This sold two malion records intwo thousand and five, which means really at least three times that manypeople had a copy of this record, get plant burned, copy or downloadedcopy, or something like that. I am sure that they're going to be ableto listen to this and are like pissed that we have been like crapping on thisrecord. We've ruined some, but just understand that, like we are just likeplace in time saying for the size that this record was, wedon't think that it lives up to that level of hype. If this record wouldhave sold fifty thousand copies and it would along- and it was a good steppingstone to like their next record, that ends up being the thing like I would we probably wouldn't crap on thisrecord as much is the truth. If this was like, like Michael Mroo, had agreat record that came out before three cheers for sweet revenge: Yea. No onetalks about it because it wasn't big like it wasn't the thing I put them onthe map, and so it's holy cost more than eleven thousand probably did andand like the expectations weren't there. Unless you already liked my camelromance and there's. Obviously they went up with that next record but like,but if that's record would have sold to me and copies. I would have said thesame thing about my chemical romance's first record, but we're probably notyou know, but we did three cheers first, because that is like their debut album.It's very rare that someone has this much success with truly their veryfirst thing, especially in the land of time when people were doing eps all thetime they basically had what two songs on pure volume kyle, something like that. Oh Yeah,yeah. To that s it you know, and so no really prior kind of thing, and so that's what we're talking about more than anything elseanyway, a long way to wrap it up. But thanks for listening again, if you likewhat you here consider giving us, you know a nice review on itunes and by theway I was on my little podcast AP the other day as like you know what Ishould rate this podcast that I'm listening to, because I'm always askingfor a podcast. It's really hard to find that button. I didn't know it's likethe old man scrolling back and forth. It's somewhere down there, though inthe reviews, and so if you can find it, give us a review, they'd be great andcourse subscribe. So these episodes show up convenient on the phonesupposed to be every two weeks. Sorry we missed that one, like I said I won'tupgrade my computer ever again we're just going to stay on with thissoftware version until my computer dies so that we don't get off our two weekschedule. As always, you get my that's myoperating system update policy right there. It's not bad. I N I was alreadyI was having problems is the reason I upgraded. I shouldn't Ave, I checkedeverything and I was wrong. I didn't check software. I just checked hardwareanyway, my where my Os ten lion, folks that that's what I a yeah. Of course you can send this comments,disagreement suggestions. You can email them to infit, finding Emo Potom or youcan find us on all the social media stuff, although we're terrible at beingactive on there but shoot us. If you send us a message, we will write youback and argue with you and and if you love panic of the disco and you lovethis, album fill for you to tell us why we're wrong. We are fine with you.Disagreeing with us, doesn't bother us. So the record sounds bad. It sounds badguys, as made by it was made by objectively bad people. Kyle will arguewith you I'll, give you the instagram log in okay, all right, we will catch you all nexttime.

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