Finding Emo
Finding Emo

Episode 39 · 6 months ago

Ep039 - A Fever You Can't Sweat Out by Panic! At The Disco

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Despite the debut from Panic! selling over 2 million copies, the guys are not as impressed with it as you'd think. They think th $11k budget and 18 year old band members makes more sense as a measuring stick for the quality than the 2 million albums sold. Please don't hate us, Panic! fans! 

Notes:

Welcome to finding emo, our podcast where we discuss our favorite albums from the early aughts and thereabouts. I am Blake Fisher. I'm joined by Chris Mounier and Kyle Simmons, and sorry about the week missed episode. I was a fool and upgraded my computer to big Sir a year after it came out and it wrecked everything. Technical difficulties. Kyle and I spent this is a true story. So we do this late at night, generally at ten PM, and last week so we like we get on here Kylin on are trying to figure out why we can't get the audio to work. For like half an hour. Chris never shows up, like a lot. Eleven PM etext but he had fallen asleep. So it worked out fine because Chris and fallen asleep. We couldn't get audio stuff to work. But we're back. We've got we've got everything. Called in tech support. Yeah, we had to. It is a big deal. So anyway, we're back. We're glad you stuck around with us and and by the way, guys, I looked it up this week. We are the number one, hundred fifteen ranked music commentary podcast in America. So I think we could probably knock off like fifteen chumpy music, you know commentary podcast, and we can be in the top one hundred of music comment which is not that impressive. Yeah, it's not. It's not how much are comindy. I just want to be able to I want to like Brag about it as if we're really proud about it. I'm but I mean, you know what I'm going to put it. People going mortgage application and see how that helps me get that get a better private interest right. Yeah, probably will be like, oh well, this is where we do loans for people that have top one hundred music commentary pok come over here anyway. So obviously, as always, we'd love if you subscribe the podcast, tell you friends about it or rate it on itunes give us a five star review. That's what we want. We don't want the other stars. We're not interested in them. So today we were talking about panic at the discos. I literally forgot to write down the year this came out. Was this two thousand and five, Kyle, oh five, oh five, our Lord, two thousand and five coming back with a big one their debut, of course. Yes, from from two thousand and five, a fever. You can't sweat out. So anyway, Kyle did the research, quote unquote, for this one and he's going to start talking about it. Kyle, take it away. So I'm going to give you guys some wikipedia highlights. But the truth is I'm just going to get this out of the way and I'm gonna hate on this record a little bit. And and and the thing is, I have to say I need to preface it with this. I am a panic at the disco fan, I am, but these dudes came out in o five and and probably Oh for when all all, all of our, you know, ambitions were out there. These dudes put out a couple songs on pure volume and got freaking signed without playing a single show. And I hated their guts. Yeah, I was just like, screw these kids. And also they were in high school, which whatever. At the time that was just a couple of years younger than me, but I was still pissed off. Like they they were young punks and had no street cred because, like when we were playing, all it was all about that, like have you played here? How often are you playing? You know, and like every single label. That all that. Both of our all three of US talk to, I say both, both of our bands talked to it was always like how many shows are you playing? How, like how many people can you bring to a club? Like it was all about that. And and in fairness to panic at the disco. They didn't change the record industry. It's just they came along at a bookmark, you know what I mean, like a specific change where pure volume was a thing, and it was. It was before my space, right, or is it after? No, that's my space. I mean that era, I said the same time. Yeah, I mean for run probably predates my space, yes, but death definitely more of like it was the dawn of of digital music, right, are online music? And I my ca rect in the the thing I had heard is that they'd never even played a show. Is that? Yeah, that's what. Yeah, this was. Never played a ship, never play a show that and like you didn't saying to me for the amount of times that an r rep asked me how many shows you playing? You need to play, the more shows, like. I was furious over this band getting signed, and so I just wanted to get that out there because I'm going to do some I'm going to do my like a fair share of hating on this record. But I'd allow to our podcast where, yeah, well, I mean I mean they're cap highly range podcast if it...

...yeah, that's right, medium rain, that's right. We have we have dozens of listeners does and you know, they probably, I feel like they probably just will disagree with me, because the other thing that made me hate this band at the time is how much people, I'm getting ahead of myself my first impression, but how much people, from research to opinion column, how much people love, loved this record. So I'll move on real quickly and then we'll get back into that. This this album came out in Ouh five. It was on I always say decadence. Either of you have a better pronunciation of decadence? Is it not? Is it decadence? Oh, think those that not he spelled decadence. No, it's not like I canna think it's a way. Yeah, I think I've made it. I don't think I've ever tried to pronounce it. I'm kind of either. Okay, what? But it's a subsidiary of fuel by Raman. We all know how that works. And so night. A nice little fact about this is Pete Wentz, Bass player lyricist for Fallo boy and Casey Deil of yeah, isn't that a there's no, isn't that a neat thing? So he actually signs these kids. And at the time, so when the band first formed, I guess Brendan Yury tried out as a guitarist and Ryan Ross was like no, dude, you're going to be the singer, and obviously that's the right choice right, right now he's got pipes. But yeah, Pete wentz comes along and signs them. These boys are from Vegas. Let's see, I was trying to play. is actually accurate discrete about that? That is true. They were boys. Ryan Ross was, I believe, eighteen and in just starting college when they signed. Matt Squire produced this. So like not not, you know, not, nobody doing this, but we'll get into this as we move along. Obviously not not a huge a budget on this, doesn't do you have a number? Elevenzeros. Oh, that is much lower than I thought it would be. I mean it sounds like a lesson that much honest. EP's yeah, yeah, way more than that on a way less oh my God. And also reading that it's just kind of like, you know, a lot of the notes that I'll have here in a little bit. It makes sense that it was elevenzero record, but but freaking so. They made a good jillion dollars on them. They made a good jillion dollars. But Matt squired did this record elevenzeros. He must have just gotten back in. There's yeah, or yeah, points. Yeah, you're totally right. That's it. You're getting points majorly at that point because there's yeah, yeah, I mean a flat rected it in his house. Yeah, so one. I'm just I'm just impressively low does that make you know? I mean like there's a superhibit a low budget and like a Oh, I'm actually more impressed with the production now that I know it is only eleven grand. I mean, yeah, weird. No, I actually exactly saying. And also I'm kind of like this seems like a weird move coming from the lyricist, for fall out boy to pay elevenzero. And also, I guess this was before from under the Cork Tree, so he wasn't just money bags McGee at the time. So you know, maybe maybe elevenzeros was, you know, pushing it. But let's see, there were some other tidbits I want to throw it you. Oh, they started off as a blink winity to cover band. That's pretty cool. And then I cannot find the quote, but but I laughed so hard when I read Brendan Ry basically says something along the lines of like when they got signed, all of these songs on the record. If you can believe it, guys were just all the songs that they had and oh, she really, he's like. He's like thinking these are he's like, believe it or not, these are the only songs we had. It just worked out that. It just worked out that they were all great. I was just like, yeah, totally, yeah, weren't out. And also should can we? I mean, can we segue into first impressions, because that's let's just let's just like merge into it instead of having a distinct section. Lets so. So my first impression was I hated their guts and and mostly for personal reasons. Right, I mean,...

...they totally and even heard her song, right I mean. Well, also, they're they're they're beautiful. You know, they're handsome men, Pete Wentz, who who? Also, I told you guys on the PODCAST, we did follow boy, like I love fallout boy. I had a huge hip on my shoulder when it came to him being the lyricist. I don't give a crap about that. Nobody else does that. So I thought he was an idiot. And so pete went signed them. They'd never played a show, they were beautiful and all of that stuff, and so my first lot of boxes, yeah, they my first impression was not good. But what I will say is from from the beginning with this band, they were they were polarizing. I remember, like the people that loved this record loved it all the way, like they were in on panic at the disco, and I say people loosely because it was mostly young females. Yeah, I was about to say what was the age different? Yeah, these people that love have a stature. I don't know anyone my age, which, let's put so like for context. We are twenty two or twenty three when this album comes out, and I would wager to bet that the people that loved them, we're all at least three years younger than us. Oh yeah, if not six. Yeah, well, and it's one of those things where obviously at the like at the time, that that age gap felt bigger, but now it's like, yeah, we're about the same age, but right, but like we do you when you were twenty three, you didn't feel the same age as someone that was seventeen. No, no, not at all. Also, like, also, they just say they just anything I read from them I just thought was so pretentious. Like the out the album's writing was strongly influenced by I can't even say his last named, Chuck, the Guy That wrote fight club, was strongly influenced by his writing. I'm like, dude, whatever, like, Oh, very strongly. Like explain to me how it was strongly influenced by it. Like you read his book and halfway understood it. You know what I mean? Like Watch this movie, just, yeah, exactly, exactly, and then and then read the book. I just carried the book around my backpack. What they mean is that they listen to the pixies. Where is my mind? That several times. That's pretty good. Okay, so I'm curious. Did you so when? I'm pretty sure I heard the stuff about them getting signed before I'd even heard them? Like I think I hurt like that, like spread that there's this band that had never played a show. They're from Vegas, right, yeah, yeah, their Vegas boys and and I remember being mad about that. Like you, Kyle, and I don't think I'd ever even heard anything from them. I don't think I'd heard a lyric or anything, and then that first single happens and I was just like, Oh, this Pete Wentz signed this band because he was like hey, if they're going to rip us off, I might as well make a buck off of it. Yeah, and that's right. That's what it completely seemed like to me the second I heard it. So that was like my first impression, before I even heard the record, was just, Oh, these guys sound like fallout boy. They're like, I'm more dramatic fallout boy, and Pete Wentz is like, well, I see dollar signs because we're popular, which so that has to have been I realized they get maybe got signed before from under the court tree comes out, but this album came out after from under the court tree. Correct. Look up these dates, because I that's how I remember it, but I might be wrong. I don't am looking up the date for from under the court tree. Okay, we should do this kind of stuff before we record next May, third, two thousand and five, same year. That's court tree. Okay, day before day. Yeah, Birth Day, oh, birthday, buddies and amazement work on again another episode. Thank you. What you have okay, this can out yet September. Okay much. That's how that's how I remembered, and it just seemed like we were in the throes of the height of fallout boy, and then this comes out and just sounds like unexact rippop. But was so funny to me is that the defense from the people that really liked panting at the disco was well, but Pete went signed them like as if well, because he obviously doesn't hear a similarity. I'm like that, yeah, there's not similarity. That is not correlation. Does not equal causation or whatever. Thing as well looks like, you know, it's not a defense. You're talking about the boxes to check off, like for the haters, including myself, like how about? How about how long each song title is? Oh yeah, it was in this is like a joke, if you yeah, anyway, I look so, guys, this is another boring tidbit. I normally just have these tracks typed out in an application called mainstage and it has a little track list there and...

I just can just read it off the track list as I'm going, okay, here's track five, and I hit the little play button. I couldn't do that because these are all so long I can't get my screen wide enough to fit. I've got spotify up stretching across an entire twenty seven inch desktop so that I can read the twelve word titles. It's like yeah, it is almost comical how long it is. So it's like that even checks off the box to be something that like kind of got copied from follow where. I feel like, so they invented it, but we we have. We have on multiple episodes discussed reviews and maybe reviews that were unkind or people didn't deserve. Blake, you use so kindly recommended that. I pull up their pitchfork review and it's wonderful. I'm going to spend lots of time with this later. I don't have to read the whole thing, but give us at least. I give some highlights paragraph in real time. One point five stars out of four. Is that how pitchfork is it? Four Stars for pitchforkers? At Five, I forget. Okay, even so, one point five stars. How about the headline? Emo Barrel scrapers make rights of springs seem two decades old. This is a great line where does one begin to describe this steaming pile of garbage? You've already line, you've already seen the ridiculous name. So let's try a few song titles on four sides. I love. So it's like I don't really like music critics in the sense that like they kind of just crap on everything all the time, but when they do it exquisitely, it's it's my favorite thing. But of course the assinine song titles and the Moronic band name have nothing on the actual songs. The Usual Guitar, Bass and drums are augmented by drum machine beats and since it would be more at home blaring over the PA your local gym than Anything Anything One might consider enjoyable music. So, yeah, well, I'm, I assume, more into this. Yeah, well, we'll link to it for sure. Yeah, sorry, I have that. I have to throw in my favorite line, I believe, says this poor guy's heart must get broken on a daily basis or something. And if it wasn't bad enough, someone convinced him to add some fancy effects on a track or two that make it sound like someone is lightly karate chopping him across the thrill of these yeah, Oh, what a poet. I hope that this rider went on two great things, poetry or of bad albums or something. Yeah, I just I think it felt and what's funny, I don't think I've really got a sense for how young, how much younger they were than us, and it's in the light of them being like eighteen and only spending eleven grand on this record. I'm like, it's a pretty impressive feat because I'm always really impressed by the albums that are super popular on like that is a shoe string budget. I mean we literally spent more than that on a five song EP. Yeah, like in minutes in Christ and ized band and I'm sure kyle spent more than that too, and we were still on a shoot what we would consider a very low budget, like we were not money back's at all, you know now. So that's that's a really impressive dollar amount for an album that goes pretty big. And I don't know, how do you have a platinum, double platinum it by, which is not easy. So maybe some money? Yeah, yeah, Pete Wentz and his little maybe he may have made more money off this record than he did his own. He probably, I guarantee. Yeah, yeah, because if you're talking about publishing and money directly from the record. You know he did right. Well, especially he is a wrong assist. Well, but I mean well, probably. But on the first on front of the court, trees, their first major label one, they're not making like their deal is not good right at that point. They're not making a lot of money on album sales. They're making money on songwriting and stuff, but gosh, yeah, so, so, in some ways I'm like, okay, good for you, but you can just hear the like immaturity just bounding and I think that I mean so I didn't like I don't think I loathed it like Kyle did. I think I was just pretty like, oh, that sounds just like fallout boy, and it's not that in it's not that interesting. Was What my first impression was, if that makes resented them, you know, and I did resent them, that's for absolutely. I think that's a fair way to say it. I think that it was like because we were busting our butts trying to make it, and so maybe we're just just paint us as all of us. We were taking forst baths in truck stop rest rooms, sleeping in looors. Yes, yeah, so I mean, but we didn't, I guess, rip off the right band. I mean kind of did. We kind of ripped off fall out boy. We just didn't do it hard enough. I guess we just...

...didn't wanted another lake. Didn't do it well enough. Guys. Yeah, that's probably the problem. Yeah, I mean the the weirdest thing for me was the blend of electronic stuff, which I'm sure we'll talk about as we get into go and track by track and stuff. But it felt really weird and in not at all organic. It really felt like someone took two things and like smash them together to make it work and or even to make them different than fallout boy, right, like the yeah, and that might have been that might have been it. Yeah, well, we'll have a day to eight in there, and that might have been the goal. I don't really know. I mean, there there's no we have no idea like what this band was really I mean other than those pure volume things which I'd never listened to, so I don't know what they even sounded like. So so, yeah, that's probably unfair that most of our first impressions came from nothing to do with the music and more to do with but that is crazy. that. I mean the Elevenzero budget thing is blowing my mind. That Pete went that's all. Yeah, that's all they got, and then it goes double platinum. So yeah, way to stretch the dollar. I've Long said that most budgets were way too high on, Oh yeah, on stuff, and that's really what the labels problems were, was that they were spending way too much on as. Recording was getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, but I would you know, that would be well below the floor of what I would say. Yeah, someone needs for a full length, full length album. So shall we go to track by track, fellows, let's do it. Okay, sounds good. So I'm not going to actually do the intro because, oh no, I had notes on it. Oh you do? Are you serious? Yeah, Introduction, no reason separate from the next track. Those are my nose. Okay, that's I can lightly agree. I just didn't want to play the clip so we can talk about the intro. But I igree it's like, I don't I've got some pretty throw notes here. It just says Inter instrumental with a question mark. I guess it's just beginning to get more angry. It doesn't make any freaking sense as to why this is separate from the next song. I'm sorry. So I want to have to go back in and cut in the intro because I didn't know we would talk about the int all ever, well out of time, but don't. I mean all of it will fit, because I think it's like thirty seconds, day is it's thirty really stupid. And Yeah, and it's just it. But I mean they're trying to show their a little flair for the dramatic, I think. And Yeah, okay, so, okay, so now. So introduction, Nice, Short, aptly titled Song, and then we get to track to, which is the only difference between madyrdom and suicide is press coverage. Here we go, I'll bust out the glow light, y'all. It's the electronic breakdown section of track to. So, yeah, they really hit you with it pretty quick. Kyle. What are your thoughts? Normally we give it to Chris if he's air drumming or are guitar. You were actually raving and so I was seting good at you on this one. Fist pumps. So I'm going to do plenty of hating on this record, but I'm going to tell you I like this song. I think it's a good opening track. I think it's stupid that they I think it makes it even more stupid that they had an introduction to this song, because like, just get into it and let's get going. I think, considering some of the problems that I have with the rest of the record, they did her pretty good job of mixing rock and electronic on this one. I think the bridge is quirky and weird and cool and he, he gets a he he scats at the end of this song. Man, that's that's pretty weird. It's so weird. That's my notes, Chris. What are your thoughts? Okay, so I am one hundred percent with Kyle and this one. Like I as much as I load this band and resented every moment of their existence, especially the beginning parts. This sounds not terrible, so terrible. It's all right. Yeah, I really, I really like the bass tone on the prechorus. I like the growl and I love the cocaine dance party breakdown. It's definitely like I feel like it's it kind of fits, you know, like it's a departure, but it kind of works. And I mean I think you guys already made this joke, but like, yeah,...

...like did they download every free vs t plug in they could find, you know, to get, like because they're already using so much crap of this song. I'm like, guys, it's the first song. Just hold the phone for a second. Like they're like wait, my friends brother just download fruit loops. Yeah, and he made this. She put it's yeah, I mean that's what sounds like sometimes. I mean, this guy your fun. It didn't need the ending, Kyle, like that dot dot dot thing, like you didn't need that. Like there's already too much song. This one going anyway weird. Yeah, it really does have everything. Calls got your clown sex beat it. Let him electronic breakdown. It's about the call out boys style vocals, including him inability to understand what the hell he's saying. It's so but I do like the melody of the song. Yeah, there's a lot of things to say, but I do like it and I like the great course to and he has some good, clever little lyrics, but it just feels like that's what he mostly does, is like, Oh, here's a clever lyric as nothing, that this song is not about anything. Yep, that's what that's what kind of in this this would be a good example. It's like the swear to shake it up is like clearly the hook of a lyric in this thing. And and you know, it's not like I need everything said. I'm not a lyric guy, but things can be to try, you know, Dude, dude, and and they get there. Can make a point. Sometimes you could make me feel something. So, you know, I don't know. That's that's track one, I guess. But I mean overall it's a good song, like I actually like. It's not bad, it's not. There are things about it that are certainly not for me and certainly we're definitely not my style. In two thousand and five guys, for some kids that never played a single shot being eighteen years old and elevenzo dollar. This track, this one track, cost six hundred dollars to produced. Part Way to go, you know, good job, way better than I mean. Look, I can show you what I was doing for similar shoestring budgets and they sound like crap and and maybe the songs are even worse. And so I'm not gonna and you know what to say. I was anything better at eighteen. I don't think anybody's gonna get mad on us for hating because like freaking Brendan Yuri is sitting in his mansion somewhere. Who Care? County has money. He didn't care what we think. And also, like what we think didn't affect this record selling two million copies. So right, well, I appreciate the journey that they're bas same, absolutely sure, like it's like, I mean, this was the for you. Yeah, it's. This isn't great, but like a people liked it and they made enough money to like build a career and make really good songs, and Gosh, good for them. Yeah, at them, exactly, for them. All right, let's go to track, to which I'm only saying these titles one time a piece, by the way, learn I just say three words from it. Well, yeah, I just think got dot dog, but I feel like I just got to do the whole thing. Okay, okay, London back and songs about money written by machines put the Mr Wagon. Wow, kyle, I think this was the song that I was playing over and over again while trying to get our audio to work last week for an hour, and therefore that part of this song was in my head all we Florida making just like that, just that clip, just that that was in there pretty deep. What are your thoughts on this track? Co Okay, so I've got a few thoughts. I think it's I think it's another pretty good track. Well, yeah, you can stack the first two. Definitely. I actually think it's some of the best lyrics on the album. You talked about things getting trit and like they're just they're just not real good at it yet, like the in but this one in particular, the the hook. We're just a wet dream from the websine make us, make us it, make us hip, make a scene or shrug us off your shoulders. Don't approve it. Prove a single word that we wrote. Like I think that's pretty cool. I like that. Yeah, I I do think that, like we didn't have it there, but like the pre course super long on this song and that's kind of weird. I do like that little clip that you played because it's got like a freaking boys to mend vibe to it a little bit. That's true. Yeah, but I think it's got a great hook and a cool, cool musical bridge. I think this is another good song and and I think that more so than the first song. This one is a little bit better at because when I think...

...of panic at the disco and especially what they became, became as they started to blow up, they're like a Oh gosh, they're cinematic, you know what I mean, like they yeah, and so there for the dramatic, I mean very absolutely costumes and the and so like. This is a better marriage of that style and music, in my opinion, then the first track, like that, that you know, circus beat that comes in on the first track as a little jarring. This, to me, is like a little bit it's more palatable than that first ycause the middle of that first track literally sounds like the score of in a movie when they show up at a nightclub. It's like the fake song that's playing at the nightclub right in while John Wick murders people in the background or whatever. Yeah, but it's what it sounds like, super intense and it comes into so hot. Yeah, this one did a better job of marrying the too. Definitely agree with that. Chris. What are your thoughts on track three? I feel similar. I like the you know, the precurse is kind of long, but I really like it and I like the painting meet the press line and you know the kind of what's that? Self deprecating? But what's the word I'm looking for? Just, you know, talking about self aware person. Yeah, like like, but, but but it also, you know, greatly angers me. Like that they are like okay, so god, they're like pretending. There Jay z right now, right, and then they ended up actually being famous. So they called the shot before they shot it. And if you heard this record when it came out and hated them because they never played a show, you'd be like, Oh, you're already talking about like your famous. And then they got famous. I'm just like what? Well, they took a key from hiphop, because that was always my most famous thing about hipop is that feature not above feature. If that, they like literally get an advance from a label and then they write our song about how they're rich and famous. And because I'm always like, wait a minute, these people like no one K who fifty cent was. He wrote this record and recorded it before you'd ever heard of him. So it's like it's almost as you have to sell for you have to at least try to fulfill that prophecy. There's, you know, a thousand people that don't for everyone that does, but then I don't know, it just feeds into it. So in some ways it's genius. It would look really, really foolish if you didn't sell two million copies of this record, though. Nobody would know, nobody will see you a record. Yeah, but in do you think there's a tipping point where, like, you can't have a thousand people that like you and think your Dick for being acting like you're too big? It's like that needs to snowball to a certain degree before people don't care about that. Am I overthink? No, no, I'm I'm with you. There's numbers seven thou. Yeah, the math. Probably do the math and that on this and tweet as there are many records. Yeah, there's probably some math there that you have to do. It's like intense stuff with a calculator, scientific one, but taxes instrument. Yes, you got a taighty three, for sure, you gotta bust that out. But I just feel like there's not like if you saw these guys at a club playing to thirty people with those lyrics, would you kind of be like what, what does this dude problems? Like, there's no way you would understand what he was saying. But if you saw in front of a thousand people, you'd be like, okay, I don't know, I don't know that. It seems like a weird thing. It just seems like someone would catch onto that, but maybe fourteen year olds don't obvious. Also, Blake, I will. I feel like I need to throw this out there because, I mean, you mentioned it. You wouldn't see them playing at a club because they never played a show. Yeah, I heard that from someone. Okay, so yeah, I mean I feel the same way. I think it's a good track. I think it's good song. I do actually like some of the lyrics on this one and and that part that was in my head, though I'm tired of it's not even my favorite part of the tree. Move on, but it was in my head for most of most of the trips. So all right, let's go to track for, which is nails for breakfast, tax for snacks, Bud, I see Christ money. We're going to be first. What your thought on track for? I have thoughts, thought, multiple plural thoughts. I think this is my last point on this song, but it'll be my first point here. This song is very forgettable. Let's see,...

...what else do I have? The auto tune flappy. Thing I think that the pitchfork person is talking about is I put. I put why, God, why? It is the most awful thing I've ever heard. On that, we note that it goes up to how can you pitch them like listening back and like like this a trap is exactly what I was talking about. Man, you got it, you hit it, and how did a producer let that get out of because they probably did this in five days. I mean, I know I'm being realistic. I mean like if like a decent studio would be a thousand bucks a day. Yeah, so at the very most they had they must have spent eight days in studio, because if it was Elevenzero, and that's mixing and mastering to there's just no way that they. Now, it could have been that like the guy takes no money up front and it's all yeah, but like I doubt that this band was like not guaranteed to pop off like they did, and I don't think someone would do that for like no money. Yeah, well, and I also it also made me mad that he stuttered on the word stutter. I mean, they great job, Bernie Toppham, but like, I just I could picture buch a nineteen year old just like congratulate each other how clever they were. God, Burnie Burnie, this peller John Make It also mentioned on this podcast about as much as two tho butt rock bands for some reason. Kyle, what are thoughts? So I think that it is pretty forgettable and and I also think that that's not so bad compared to where we're headed on this. So I think it is so like. I mean, I'll say something nice. I I can't I dig the vibe of what they're doing on the chorus. It's just not good like that. I don't know if it's a Cynthor a guitar thing that's going on. Changes up and also, aside from the auto tune, I actually think that this is Brendan jury sounding the most like himself and and not Patrick Stump. So I think that that's a good thing, because that dude is he's got some pipes and and obviously goes on to show that like he's got a voice of his own. So but yeah, you know, it's it's whatever. I mean. I it's got all the things that I don't like. I feel like the first two tracks, I'm I buy first two tracks. I mean not including the intro first three tracks. First three tracks are you know. I'm like, okay, this is pretty good. And once again I feel like back then anyone could do the first two tracks well and then track through is just like yeah, it's got the bad auto tune. You know, that's like not on purpose. I don't think this is not te pain auto tune. This is like they just said it and didn't I don't know. It sounds bad. Listen, didn't listen to it. Didn't listen to it or something. Yeah, and it's got that. It's got the conflicting drums. You can just drop quantized, perfect beats in there and then put a Flam snare on top of it. It sounds like the I mean it sounds terrible, like the it's like the drums aren't quantized. The other thing is perfectly quantized and it sounds bad because he's not playing right to it, and it's just weird. There's just all it's like again, it's like you could have just taken that out and it might have been fine. But like and then it also I don't know, just like yeah, I'm with you, these weird vocal stuff. Yeah, it takes me right out of it. I'm like, okay, first to tracks, we were pretty good. This one's just like, I'm out, it's not good. Right now. I forgot to note, guys, that this is legit. I had a dot, dot dot after after what I said about this song, and then it says the albums. Starts to get messy. I like, I've never heard anyone say conflicting drums. I feel like that's a brand new sentence that you created and I want it to be a t shirt. They are conflicting. I mean they're just not. It's like you can do one of the other, but you can't just do like, Oh, I'm gonna do a kick flam thing on top of this perfectly quantized electronic beat. It's gonna Sound like three snare drums are going off, but it's gonna sound like two million records sold. Yeah, I know they don't care about what I've got to say. Okay, so we're going to track five, which is, what is it? KAMISADO, Amathato? Who knows? I don't know, something like that. Here we go. Chris...

Mounier thoughts on Massado songs a lot, as the kids say. I mean it's kind of got a nice groove to it. I like the guitar work on the verse and I like the Mellow course, because I like they're so much of what they do is just so in your face and intense that you almost feel like throwing out from anxiety. But this the you know, they kind of chill out a little bit here. And I like the the Bethree, the a roads to Bethree. Are Those the same thing? No, those are totally different ones, an organ ones. It's the organ when I'm going for yeah, beat, that's be three. Yeah, okay, that's what. That's what. Yeah, I'm glad to put a and not a dash. And Yeah, so Kyle said Song before this thing start to get messy and I think I added this note here, like the versus, with all the words and everything in the same it feels like it's the same register and the same melody every song, just and so it's kind of starting to hurt my brain a little at the yeah, I don't know that I could sing most of the verses to you, but the chorus is like, I love the chorus on this song. Yeah, I think, of course, really good. Yeah, I think it's one of the better one. What's funny to me is that it like I I find that I gravitate towards the songs on this record that just sound like follow boy songs, and this sounds like follow this one does sound a lot like so, I mean it sounds it just like it could be a fallout boy song, and I but I really like it, like it's really good and and and I can see why. Look, this happens all the time. It's like people think Arrowsmith is, you know, the you know, the American in answer to led Zeppelin, and you know, it's like there's all these things that happen at the same time and when something's really popular, the natural thing is that people are going to copy it. I mean it it happens with, you know, blank way to comes out, pop punk comes just roaring out. The thing follow boys kind of fly. Probably the next one, don't you think, is the next biggest. Yeah, like post blank way to. WHO's bigger? Good, Charlie Blank Whey? Are Fallout boy at this time fault? Well, I mean I'm not saying at this time, I'm saying fallout boy ended up being, Oh, absolutely, absolutely, much bigger deal. Yeah, so I expect there to be copycats and but this is a good you know, I'm fine with also saying hey, this sounds a lot like follow boy, but it's really good. That's mine. Kyle Horry, where you at on this track? The overlap of all three of our notes is insane. My first note like my birthday body, a lot going on versus not my faith. Great Hook sounds a lot like fallout boy. That is unbelievable. That that's literally written on your note like it's Oh, I did write the intro is cool. Also again with the I think the thing that, along with a lot of other things, that turned me off for this band, like their electronics, like that clip that you just played it it's like almost as annoying as logging onto the internet used to sound like. It's Abrasive. There's nothing. There is nothing about that. That's like, oh, that's not that sounds good in my ears, you know what I mean. It's like Whoa, why? Why is that in the song? I think so. It's Superanti. I mean I think it's there because intense they wanted that element there. That element is not as easy to do as people think it is, because generally when it's easy, that means there was no it's just like cut and paste from something out of the box kind of thing. There's not like any editing that or something like that. They're literally taking a go loop that was already in there. Sounds real bad and a lot of the electronic problems that I have on this record I can't fully blame these kids that never played a show, like mean, yeah, the hell is this producer doing? Not like it's not mixed at all into the song. It's just like exectular. It is. Yeah, here's this electronic type budget act with. It's so low. That's right. I mean it literally sounds like, guys, we can put this in here, but we don't have any more money, so we cannot make it. Didn't even sound like something can never between one and ten and that's the volume. I'm setting it and put it back Ken. It sounds like it's like a ten, like a Yamaha Moti forever, that keyboard that we were playing with that studio and Tennessee with Jim. You know, it's like that. You can make all sorts of wacky sounds with it's like it felt like they were just playing around with that and going Oh, this would be cool on there, and I'm sure that this is when you're doing this producing Gig, you're probably going like, okay, yeah, kids, sounds great. Yeah, a little bit more of like yeah, we'll try. That's fine, within reason, you know.

So Matt Squire thought a hundred people were going to hear this record. Yeah, or yeah. I wonder if there was some deal he had like hey, if you just do this record with these kids and I'll give you like I'll make sure you produce like five big records on fuel by well or something. I maybe it's something like that, like a handshake deal, even as small as the budget was, to be fair to everyone involved, got it. They had my mill, they had millions of streams on pure volume, and that's why they got signed and why they got picked up and why they pumped out a record. So I don't think it. Streams cost zero dollar. No, your totally dont like. It didn't always translate well, but it was the dawn of that and so like. Yeah, so it was exciting that a million people were listening to something. So that's true. Yeah, good point. Good Point. Okay, let's go to track six, Oh, which is only three words on this one. Time to dance. You're GIM was Dammi, those baby, those emo kids love to talk about guns even though they've never touched one. Those my favorite subgenre of Emo is all the like trigger metaphors and gun similes that they have in their lyrics for things that aren't actual, you know, murder webs, I don't know, it's just funny. Chris thoughts. Fourth Note. This decade had just enough gun trigger metaphors up to this point. They went over with this. I'm not kidding. That's like literally what I said on my fourth point. Like they took it too far. That's what they did. They were like that person, like the jokes already funny, and then they come in and they're like yeah, and then like a million people were there and I don't know, I'm not doing that right now. I'm saying like like it's like no, they already talked about triggers and then they make they have shotgun wedding. Yeah's aren't like actually related, and I don't I think they maybe thought they were being clever about connecting those two, but they're it's like one of those metaphors works in this sorry, I think they think they're being clever a lot like ye, because will say this this is. I think this might be the most straight up just kind of rock and roll, punk rock song on record. It's that that part I like, and I feel like they kind of chilled out with the lyrics on the verse and it's a little easier for me to keep up, catching my breath a little. Looks, Kyle, what are your notes? What where do you overlap with me and Chris so far? Lyrics, Yikes, not a fan of the verse. Enjoy the chorus just fine. That's that's what I got. Yeah, I literally just feel like you're just tired. Other than other than noticing the mass amounts of gun and trigger metaphors, nothing else really sticks with me on this one. It doesn't feel very dancy for a song called time to dance, and like this band can be dancy, so I would think the one would dance in the title would be dancy, but it's not. What were the singles on this? This is one of them. Right, no, no, this is not. Hold on, I've got them. Okay, so the first single was the only difference between Marktom and suicide it's press coverage. Second seeingle was, I write, since not tracks huge. Number three, but it's better if you do yeah, number four, lying is the most fun. Blah, blah, blah, Blah Blah. And they actually had a fifth single, so built wed them. We'll talk. Tends to happen on multi platinum records. Well, good to know. We think that one's fairly forgotable. Okay, let's go to track seven. Lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking her clothes off, afore mentioned by Kyle. I'm so did he just said the same thing over and over again in that clip. I mean I was laughing so hard when I sent you the time for that song. That's nothing else in the whole clip. And and is a...

...test of room, boy, even a thing girls. I get what that is. It's like, there's no, I've never heard of this thing. And he says it a million times as if it was like the jets in west side story. It's like a group I'm supposed to know about my crazy kyle. No, man, this is not great, but it's not like I like the melody, but it just gets worn into me. I was like I said, verse lyrics, Yikes, Melody Fine, Verse Music Good. Yeah, no, I'm into it, but no, all put all those things to other in this does not make a good song in my personal thing. But I mean it was a huge single. Dude. It's fine. That's it's fine. At best it's I agree, Chris, where you at? It's is it a good song? Is A bad song? Is it somewhere in the middle? I all I know is if I was in a studio, I'd go brandon. I swear to God, if you say testosterone boys and Harleywood Girls One more time, I'm going to strike you in the face. I picture that. He was like. He was like, guys, got this, I've got this lyric. Hear me out, and that's all it is going to say. And and the eighteen year olds in his band were like, dude, that's so cool. And Yeah, that's how this just come do we? We come across as the most bitter old dude. I'm okay, though, because I am old, I'm really not bitter anymore. My just ain't you know, what will get us just, objectively not great, and that's okay. Like I would argue that in two thousand and five we would have had similar things to say. I do, Yep, as young men well, but when we would we have just been bitter young men than too, because we're dual. We're just jealous, then, less bitter, more jealous. Here's the thing. Here's I'm cool with hating on this record because because I am actually a panic at the disco fan right like I they're there are at least two full records after this that they put out that I am in love with and don't want them to go away or wouldn't change a thing about. Okay, this record is not that. I think you're right. And here's another good point. You know another band, almost the exact same thing happened to at the time and I'm not pissed about it and I love this band, the killers, also vegas. Absolutely have reported. Yes, they recorded half that record themselves or whatever. I mean. Mr Brightside's the first song they write together. That songs amazing like that records really good. It's got a few songs that are like, Oh, you guys are young and this is your first album. It's not, but like it's got like four or five singles on it and I love that band. I continue love that band. It's not it's not completely about the like fact that they didn't pay their dues or something. Oh, there's I mean there's jealousy involved, but also the these this is not sometimes, when a record is super hyped, it it doesn't live up to the hype. You know what, I agree this. Yeah, this did not live up to the die, the height for me in two thousand and five, for sure, for as much as people were talking about. Okay, let's go to well, track eight, I actually did do the intermission. Oh, okay, we needed to. So here's the intermission, and it just does that for forty more seconds. It's that same mine note, too long. Wait, it's it's too long. What would have been the right amount of time? How many? So they played that riff eighteen million times. How many times should they have spurred? Enough of it right then? Yeah, that was it. That's all I needed. And it goes on for two and a half minute. Now it's not just that. There's some other stuff, but it's all very boring. It's I picture again that they were just like, oh, that is so cool. It's like it's not. Yeah, I was like going to skip it, and then I was like no, this is so atrocious, I have to include two minutes and thirty five seconds. Kryl I thought the exact same thing. I was like if they would have played another twenty two track here, like the intro. I would have liked rolled my eyes a little bit because, for whatever reason, my pet peeve and Chris, you'll know this because we had a huge fight about this on our EP. Okay, so I have a problem when people put a track on us. Back then, when I was buying CD's and you'd be like Oh, this track, this CD, has fourteen songs on it, and then come to find out like two or three of them are like twenty two intro outro tracks that they split into their own track and and I'm like this, no, this does not have fourteen tracks on it has twelve, or it would be even worse than it was. Like it had eleven tracks and two of them were like that's like this only has nine songs on it. I Need Bang for my buck when I'm paying twelve bucks for a CD or whatever. and Chris and eyed band, we were doing this EP...

...and we have like a weird intro thing this song and we had this big long, dragged out the thing about I didn't want to do it because I hated when people put like an intro track on something. And a couple of guys wanted to and we finally settled on name being it making fun of something another band. Yea, we did so, and so that was the compromise. I was like, I'll do it. If we call it, probably not, and everyone was like done so anyway. For some reason I just have a problem with that. But I especially have a problem when they then weighs two and a half minutes of my time with the yeah track, because the reason we did that, I think, if I remember it, was we wanted people to'll be able to skip that intro. We'd yeah, we want to hear not have to play the thirty two inch. It like all flowed into the song on our thing and we yet that was the argument. Is like, well, do we want people to just be able to like put this on a playlist or a mix CD at the times? What we were talking about, right, not a playlist, because I mean you could, but this serves since. But no, but this, there's no purpose, there's no no, it's just it's just for the like pretending this is a circus or a movie act. I mean that's what the right is about. This is about the flare for the object stuff, the theatrics that they were, you know. I mean I like what they were going for. I think it's cool to go for something like that. I don't know that they like totally pulled it off on this, but but right. Are you saying, though, that you they could have had the same effect with thirty seconds? Yes, of that, just like the intro. Yeah, that Stinger, whatever. Yeah, it's it's just a yeah, we didn't need it and we just talked about like for for as long as that track is. We just talked. We did track itself. Okay, so let's go to track nine, which is but it's better if you do in this place. Carlot's go you first. What are your thoughts? Excellent, excellent pick. Birthday Buddy. On the on the timing, I'm actually impressed because you found that long of the song without that just burning hot piano in the mix. Holy smokes, dude, holy smokes, it will that tag piano up in the mix. You said one hundred and ten. I'm saying twelve. Thirty is that is a twelve. Oh my gosh. I do dig the theatrics of this song and I think again, like it's fun too. I'm not saying I think this song is great, but they're finding themselves on the song and and and I enjoy that. I don't know, is that are those? Are those electronic horns, or is that like a harmonica? That's that's been distorted that we just heard? I think it's one of those big like the thing, oddly enough, speaking of the original CD, that made me think of those intro tracks is oasis, was the story morning glory, that kind of mouthharp thing that he plays, but it's actually like a keyboard. Okay, kind of what it sounds like where you blow through it, but you're also playing like a little keyboard on top. Sounds cool. And then also, you know, there's just not a lot of these moments on the record. One of the best moments on this record is this ending going into the next track. It is, yes, well, so, if you notice, excellent. The other cool thing about that clip that I think Chris picked. I know I changed one of these or something, but I don't maybe it won this one. I think anyway, Chris picked it. Will give them the credit for it, is that they're doing the chord progression that you're going to intro the next track with, and I like that cool kind of foreshadowing thing, which is like very cool I mean I think it's I'm not being facetious at this point, like I can hear that this track in the next one or like, Oh, this is actually more the identity that they're going to end up. Oh yeah, like blooming into. And some of the other stuff was trying to throw stuff at the wall and I don't think it was sticking right. But like this track in the next one is a really cool I'm like starting to get like a Oh, I can see how you guys will eventually be able to do a kind of word rocks over, a kind of thing that we're getting with some other bands at you know, like my Chelical Romance, back brain and things like that. But this is the first glimpse of it and I do, I actually really do like that foreshattering thing and I love the Outra I half thought about doing that, is going the outer of this song into the intro of the next one. But anyway, it's very cool. Chris, what are your thoughts on on this track? I knowd I completely agree with you guys. I you can kind of hear him finding themselves on this song and it just feels like...

...a more complete thought. You know, it's like this is a song that was put together and not just but just slapdash, like random musical concepts thrown together and mixed. Poor me, well, in like in this kind of Spanish motif that's in this bridge is way cooler than any of the electronics that's happened before. It cool. Yes, it's like creative and and not like anything that I could think of that was out at the time. I think Green Day had had some songs where they yeah, they did it on the morning album that we talked about. And you know this, the esthetic of this bridge goes better with the visual esthetic they're going for to like the video for the next song is like this kind of early nineteen century, late eighteen, or I mean sorry, early twenty, late nineteen looking kind of thing, and this fits that better, even visual you know, like half the thing that was cool about my chemical Romian's was the visuals matched the esthetic like to such a perfect degree, and the the bridge of this and going into the next track way more fits that visually then like the electronic stuff does, because you didn't see anyone rocking a threepiece suit at the club exactly, and so it even like this is where that thread starts. Making a lot more sense and I think they were like really probably just bursting at the seams with kind of creativity and didn't know when to like shave the thing off. Like I think sometimes the best thing you can do is take something away from a song or take something away from whatever it is. Like it's kind of like, okay, let's try muting that channel and you're like, oh, there's the space that we needed, or it feels more full, even though we took that out, and I feel like they're figuring that out. I'd be so curious to know which tracks were recorded first and last in the order, or even written first and written last, because I bet these two were later. Yep, I would be so too. Just just a guess. I don't think these they had these ones in the bag, but I could be wrong. Okay, let's go to track ten, which is, I write, since not tragedies. Well, imagine, as I'm pacing the pews in a church, Coldrid are and I can't help but to hear. No, I can't help what to here in exchange words. What a beautiful wedding, what a beautiful wedding, Beaus, a bride bade do what ashamed of poor girls or I'm the heavens people ever heard of clothing? God Damn, it's not better to face these kinds of things. But Chriss your thoughts on I writ since not tragedies. Obviously the song is awesome. I mean they just completely nail it. This is like that the what you you were talking about, the two songs, and on this one it's like, okay, you guys, you nailed it. You have freaking nails way to go. This is this songs probably white. The album sold most of those copies. Rights. Sure, yes, because I was still getting over my bitter bitterness and angryness. So I don't think I respected it as art at the time. I know I liked this song of the time. I remember think I ever I'd like. I ever bring myself to say I like. I wasn't like. Basically I did. It wasn't enough to make me love the band, but it was. But I was definitely like that intro is really cool and and no one did a plucked string intro. And once again, though, Kata talk about what they'd like take out of it. It's just that in those bells and the vocal at the intro and it makes it so interesting. Yeah, because there's nothing going on and and I huge Kudos to them on on the choices for that. And the strings sound real. They might not be. It's easier to do that pluck elevenzero. Probably not. Yeah, I would not think so. But like, they sound good, like, but I obviously it's a lot easier to sample that plucking than it is the bowing well of back then. But they sound good. It sounds they put out of a Luxe version and so it's it's very possible that those strings have been replaced. Well, you would, may I doubt what we're hearing. What we're hearing maybe, maybe real. I have no idea. I would doubt, but but they put out of a de Luxe version not long after they hit it big with it. So maybe you could be right. But it sounds good. It's a great screat choice. Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? Man The PITSACATA, I freaking I love the theatrics of this song and it is the best example of tastefully mixing those elements with their music. Like, I don't think that. I don't think that they dis and nor should they their kids, but they don't display much taste when it comes to that stuff. I think on this album and it is perfectly done.

This song freaking rocks, and I'm with Chris, like at the time I was just like nap, they suck. But but this song, the song is great, dude, and it sounds great and I mean it's clearly their best work on the album. So there were lots of bands back then that I would maybe not like but would have a track that I'd be like, but that track is fire and it's so good. But and this would be one of them. I mean, like this track. I just think it's the because that that chorus comes in, it sounds just like any other kind of pop punk Rock, fallout boys style song. On the chorus and we're back to normal. But like, if they would have done that with an electric guitar on those verses, it just wouldn't be the same. Like it could be the exact same song without the that the bells and the strings, and it just wouldn't be the same. It's a great it's whoever made it Kudos, I mean, because it's yeah, it's great and it's interesting and it was stuff was getting a little homogeneous, and this is where you start going like okay, they sound like a more theatrical fallout. Boy this point. I'd still that's what I'd call them at this point, but I'm starting to see the identity at least, that they're doing something else themselves. So track eleven, I constantly thank God for Estebon. Chrisman. Thoughts on track eleven? Yeah, I kind of date this song that he jumps back into his old habits here with the with the insane amount of words, and that I think we're back to I don't know what we should have named whatever the this melody is that he literally uses on every verse chorus. It just they all start to sound the same. But then again, I think it's things going on here. Sorry, I think it's this. I think it's the same thing where he's writing these lyrics first and then cramping them into a song and damming them in. Yes, if you have the lyrics first, you tend to sit there and try to just sing them and something comes out and it's natural that hit the whatever that melody is is going to come out. And Yeah, this is definitely one of the homogenous ones. Anyway, keep going, but that, that, and, but there are some cool layers here with the percussion in the the acoustic instruments and the keys. It's not terrible. Yeah, it's middle of the road for me. I'm like it's kind of a another forgettable one where like I couldn't sing this song to you without the track. A Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? I think I put the bridge is cool. I like that. It's Bouncy and then there's kind of like a second bridge on the song that I enjoyed. It's it's good. I like it just fine. But also, man, talk about you know, we talked about placement a lot. We were we were in a real suck desert a little bit ago on this record, and this song maybe in the midst of that would have been would have been a breath of fresh air, you know, but like after, after the single, Oh yeah, you know what's it mean? Yeah, nothing's going to quite you burn to that one. Yeah, how I mean that is a hard part. It's like, and we've collectively written few enough records that I don't think we would be experts at this at all, but it's like could you don't even know which one is really good. You know what I mean? Now I don't know how these guys can't be in a room and here that I write. Since not tragedies, isn't the monster hit on this right? I don't know that anyone would have had a different opinion than that in the room. But it is funny because you're like, how do we how do we follow up the one? I mean, most people try to eat their change the feel or go to the ballad or, if it was the ballad before, you go to rot whatever. The kind of thing is you trying to change it up enough that you're not comparing the two songs, but this one just kind of blends in, and so I think it naturally just makes it. It's I'm indifferent and you're right, Kyle. I think it might have been more impressive, maybe not right after this song, but I don't know, maybe that's all hindsight. Let's go to track twelve then, which I think is the longest title on the whole thing. It's got a comment in it. It's okay, literally run on sentence. There's a good reason these tables are numbered. Honey, comma, you just haven't thought of it yet. All Right, here we go. You heard cancer.

I've never been and you can good stand it. I've never looked and you kids. D Carl, let's go to you. What are your thoughts on the penultimate track that I'm not naming again, you son of a gun, Chris, you did it again. My number one note. I was going to rant about what the F is going on with the piano on this song. He choose, chooses the only clip where there is not obnoxious piano. All right, like truly, I say, there's a there's a good I put holy smokes. Too much piano in the mix. Thank God for the horns and snaps that make the piano stop. Musical outro and bridge is great because no piano. I think you just don't like pianos. It's not that it's the mix, holy smokes, dude, like it's it is insanely loud on this song, like insane loud. Well, I was. It's just trying to pick because good clip. It's a good clip. You didn't know. It's a great clip. We were trying to take part of that clips. That's the probably. It's the best. It's the best part of the song. Right, I just I'm just rambling like a madman on the two songs that people need to go back and listen. I will say is horribly mixed piano on this. You're not wrong. But what's funny? You're right, we picked all the best parts of these songs, but most of them are kind of so all over the place sometimes that there are entirely other parts that just our train recks, and we probably could have done two different clips for each song to be like well, here's the best part and here's the train wreck part, because what's funny is that we keep going like Oh, that's a pretty good clip, but then there's this other part. That's just what is happening, and I think that's the problem, is that there's there's quite a bit of the album that is derailing, but there's always a good part of most of these songs. Is that fair to say? I mean I think every part, every song has at least one thing that I'm like, oh, that's cool, that clip was was perfect, but there's you. I mean I highly recommend everybody, anybody listening to this, go back and listen to the absurdly loud piano in this mix. It is insane. So here's my problem. Okay, follow boys starts, maybe they don't start. It's at least where I noticed that these really long song titles that have nothing to do. What's with what's happening in the lyrics of the song? They're just punny for the sake of being punny. Fallow boys are at least punny. What the world does this title mean? There's a good reason these tables are numbered. Honey, comma, you just haven't thought of it yet. I don't look. What are we talking about? Does it have anything to do with any anything? Same thing with the next track. I'm like, well, I don't know what we're talking about, or the one before it. They're just long for the sake of and then, and maybe I'm just not in on the joke. Do you all get the titles? And I'm just didn't understand. I do not. Maybe they're ever saying somewhere before series later. I don't care enough, okay, to know. Like, I didn't look into it. I like it when a it's chaos. Yeah, okay, it's just okay, it's it's again. We're trying, we're throwing, we're monkeys throwing feces. Then just try and past. Okay, I feel like it's just something that one of the idiots said to one of their idiot girlfriends. At a denny's and they were like, Brandon, write that down. Okay, maybe that's what it is. That should be the title of one of the only eleven songs that we've written so far that are all going to be on a multi platinum album. Yep, I hate them so much. Yeah, it's just because they made so much money on this. I can't imagine. I don't know if I've said it, but I know I've definitely said I'm a fan of what they did. Now, when I say I hate him so much, that's circuit two thousand and five painting. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, and it's all jealousy. Well, I mean, it's Chelsea, and I wouldn't have liked this record anyway. Yeah, I mean, I would have given s those. This is like, I will say this. This is what's crazy. Let's okay, we'll talk. I know we'll talk about this in a second. Let's let's okay. Let's go to track thirteen, final track on the record. Build God. Then we'll talk again and well, I don't know what we're talking about, but here chaos and taking the sleeping hey, I know this is...

...going to be a shocker. You guys I don't have this one on vinyl, so I don't have the liner notes. Did they give some songwriting to rod no Hammerstein? No, that is my freaking note. How how did they get away? You have a double platinum album and not have them as CO writers? Insane. There's no way that. Did they not get sued for this song? No, they like it. They claim that it's a it's satire, but it's not. It's it's it's not satire, it's so is there any information on that, like specifically, is that really like? I I looked up. I looked up songwriting credits. Rogers and Hammerstein Hammerstein are not credited. I am creating. They wrote sound of music, right. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And and to further that, it says in the I'll see. I hadn't the bridge melody of build God them we'll talk is a derivative of the melody of the chorus of my favorite things from the sound of music. The lyrics in the bridge also directly satirize the lyrics of my favorite things. I'm like, how do you even say that? and Rogers and Hammerstein, Hammerstein, I'm not. I'm not sure on that. How is it possible that they're not credited. That's crazy. Well, here's the reason that doesn't work in court, I'm pretty sure. Is because the Dixie chicks got, who also get brought up on this podcast a lot. For some reason, they got sued for that. All fly away. One line that yeah, in that song. They got sued for that. Three notes, three words, because it was clearly the reference to that song. I mean it was. It was clearly and they were like that's like a sample. That's just like the same as if a rapper sampled that. You got to pay us for that. They're only trying assu him for the sampling, not the like, like songwriting credit necessarily. But still, I mean that this could this is either a sample or it's not. Satire, though, or fair use. I can't believe they didn't get sued. Well, I mean it, maybe maybe they settle. Side of me, I was saying, maybe they've settled, or maybe on another side they've given them credit. But the songwriters listed on this do not include rodgers and Hammerstein. Or maybe they're just so rich they don't care. Yeah, yes, the maybe states of those guys are doing just fine, doing all right there. Damn. Okay, so do you mind if I give my thoughts? Oh Yeah, God, thoughts. I think that they mastered their theatrics on this song. I love the simplicity of the music on the chorus. And what is more emo than sampling the sound of music? That's pretty true. I like those notes, Chris. What are yours? Yeah, I mean, I guess. First of all, as I how I read, I was very into in this song too, because of the obvious. You know, few of my favorite things play up there. But I noticed that it said they closed their shows with this song a lot. I like, how in the world did they say, pull these this off live? Im Guess it's just just playing, playing a tape right, like most of the song would have just been the samples playing right. Well, dude, I don't know if you remember this or not, but that's another thing that pissed me off about this band is they sell a million copies and like when they first toured, everybody that I knew that what to see them. They had like multiple cello players, like it was a it was like it did they so late? Dude. Yeah, they did it so good. That makes me I couldn't because so it makes me so just cold plays been selling out freaking stadiums and they're playing two tracks and I'm like, you jerks, like what you're there's anty Ford it. They're Eightyzero people here. Yeah, they're a zillionaire. You could pay just like just from tonight show. You could pay the rest of a full orchestra if they wanted to. I mean, Chris Martin, if you're listening, you're a phony. Hey, but I go. I'd pay to go see that concert tomorrow if they toured with like twenty piece orchestra. Yeah, I mean, what would that be? So like Metallica, s and m but no, but just play the parts that are on their records. Like, I would go. I would pay to go see that. Well, and there's lots of beans have done that in there, like the autumn of their careers, where they have their local philharmonics learn the songs and play with them. Yeah, when they get there. That I saw the Moody Blues Play with the Oakham City Phil Hermy, it was bad A. I saw Ben folds do the same thing. It was awesome. Anyway. Yeah, they should have coldplay do that. I'll buy the tickets, but I won't until they because I don't care about pro tools,...

...playing all your freaking guitar tracks without eating, but I do like the kind of prog rock musical thing when I still think they're kind of like. This album seemed to have a motif that up to the excellent, wonderfully placed and perfectly timed intermission that it kind of was like, wait, you guys have this whole motif going on the album cover, but you're not really doing it. You've got some weird, like I said, cocaine dance party beat just like coming in randomly. And Yeah, they kind of like the kind of actually doing with the motifs all about here, yes, six eight groove here, it's kind of cool, and and the horns and that that stuff, the piano, even though it's too high in the mix. These are all fitting the MOTIF and I'm cool with that. I really I've always appreciated a band that has kind of a style, even if that's album, the album or I like that stuff. I think that there's were especially back then, when it's music videos are the thing driving album sales and the addrics even on stage and stuff like that. It's like, I appreciate that side of the business. It doesn't bother me that like they dressed a certain way or like none of that stuff. I think it's smart and it's cool when you pull it off, especially if the music has some sort of call back to that, and I feel like it does on this track. Yeah, but it doesn't on the techno music parts, and so I feel like this is we're definitely at by the end of this album, tracking for where they kind of go in kind of carve out a thing for themselves. We just maybe didn't have it earlier in the record. So, okay, lasting impressions. Does it hold up, Kyle? I mean, you know, we didn't really like it then, so that's kind of a bad now it definitely well. Chris, what are your opinions on God now? Does not it just one song kind of holds up? Yep, yeah, I would say, like I write, since that tragedies is that could be. That could have been done today. Yeah, like, as far as there's nothing about it, that's to I mean, I guess the choruses are going to feel a little two thousand and five or whatever, but yeah, I just I just didn't one't great. Then it doesn't hold up. It didn't get better. It wasn't like Pinkerton or something where people slowly realized it was a masterpiece. I think this is a young band with their first album. These are literally the first twelve songs, or these are literally the first eleven songs they write. Ever, there was probably not a single thing that got scratched from this whole thing, if you can believe it, and that's impressive and and I've got to get so so yeah, in Kudos to them. It not maybe, maybe it doesn't hold up, but like if I told if this was a local band that was eighteen years old and did this for eleven thousand bucks in two thousand and five, we would have been really impressed with it. Does that make sense? Dude? If I if I had recorded the first eleven songs I'd ever written, it would be a garbage fire, like just it would just be. It would be awful. Actually might be funny because it's mine. would be bad. Well, you on top of that, to imagine having a producer and like somebody who's like super famous telling you that you're awesome, like yeah, the Hubris that would come with that would also make you make some really questionable choices. I think I did. I recorded my first kind of like solo thing when I was nineteen, so I'm a year older than he is at this point. And it was three or for thoroughly media yoker songs. Not Not. None of them were destined to be anything really. So I'm not, like I said, I would be really impressed. But when this band gets launched into the stratosphere, I'm is that makes sense, like they're I would be like. I would not expect it to go double platinum, but I would have been impressed if some eighteen year old kid I knew did this. And so maybe that's unfair for me to judge it two different ways, but that's kind of how I feel about it. What about? I mean, we know the answer to this, but because I don't really pay much attention to the rest of their catalog, Kyle, I feel like you're at least going to have an opinion here. Is it their best album and if not, what is their best not even close to their best album. So I am one of the weird people that their next record, pretty odd is insanely good. Like I am in love with it. It is it is perfect. Okay, so I should I've really I've never listened to any there other stuff because they just d were my thing. So what's what's crazy about that record is it's their wreck. Like. So they're eighteen on this, on this record, right between this record and their next record, and loving and loving theatrics the way that they did, they...

...gravitated towards the Beatles and that next record is is basically their homage to that music and it is. Well, I'm a little so I will check it out. And ripping off the Beatles. You're like forty years removed at that point, as opposed to fallout boy, which is happening the like in May in your album comes out in September. So I would say to anybody that hasn't listened, I would check out. Pretty odd. It's nothing like this record. And then the next record that I love is actually the one that is kind of brandon jury's first solo attempt, the too weird to live, too rare to die. I think it's it's a two thousand and thirteen release and it's just it's excellent. So what's the so what's the like timeline? This is a little how little I know. What's the timeline from like panic of the disco being a band to it just being brandon. Well, so they put out an album vices and virtue, which I believe John Feldman had a little bit to do with, in two thousand and eleven. And then, and this is like all of them, or at least some of the well, it's to it. The guys did that point. Yeah, it's the drummer and and and Brandon. That's it. By Two Thousand and eleven, it's just the Oh yeah, Ryan Ross left after after the second record. Okay, so it's pretty much been brandon jury writing everything. But I mean as far as it feeling like him being, him being a I don't know, like I don't think he's. I still don't think he quite feels like a pop star when he as like you do in the song with Taylor Swift, which I mean that's for you. Don't get bigger than that. You know what I mean. Like, but he's still definitely called him a pop star. I mean I'm not saying he's not one, I'm just saying like he's still like to me, he's still a little bit of a rock star. Okay, that's fine, just a little bit. But I'm saying also, like, as far as level of success, like you don't get bigger than that freaking Taylor swift. Yeah, I mean not a lot of people. A big deal. So No, there's not their best record, but check out, pretty odd and too weird to live, too rare to die. So is it their most important album because it just launched him into the totally thing with yeah, I would say it's their most important. Million records sold. Okay, Yep, that's fair. Okay, I mean this one's going to be kind of funny this time. So on the awards desert island songs, two or three of your favorites. I mean normally this is a challenge for us to N whittle it down to three, but it's more of a challenge for me to pick three songs I would actually take to a desert island. But I can pick my three songs that I would say the best tracks on the record. But christy want to go first. So I chose to decide that this exercise was me with, you know, not to use a labored metaphor, a gun to my head and I had to pick three songs. So that's how I went. I might even to say all the words. The only difference between Martydom Blah Blah Blah is number one. Number two is whatever where we decided Comma Sados is supposed to sound like. And then number three, the obvious, I write, since not the tragedies. Yeah, I'm definitely with you on arm right, since not tragedies and Commisado. Those tracks are really really good. And then like, so, like those two. No problem, I can pick it because it's two or three. I think those are my two. I think I'm not even going to a third one because those two are really, really, really good to me. But I like it. But I'm not going to go for a third because I'd seen other probably as a third one. There's like a tie for third. Kyle, what are yours? Name is my birthday, buddy, cash to right straight up, which you know. I think our theory so far on this record, on this podcast generally is that like, if we all agree, it probably means the whole record is not that great, or if we don't say, Oh, it's so hard to pick only three and we all have different picks at joy, means every song's great. And but you know there are records that not every song is great. And if you have three songs that are really, really good on a record you can sell two million records and then go on to get better songwriting and make songs with Taylor Swift. Yeah, so Kudos to them. Props. Like I said, these three are way better. Everything we just listed is so much better than anything I had written at nineteen, for sure, or even now. Pro Maybe. I don't know, and I'm sure there's the same you guys. I don't think any of us had written anything that could have passed for that at eighteen or nineteen. So kudos. Okay. So what about nobody's perfect. What's the worst song? So, I mean we obviously know that this is less than no, he's perfect, but let's just say, like objectively, what do we think is the worst track on this record? I mean, not the intermission, okay, not. What about the intro?...

No, come on, there's an actual bat. I mean like the testosterone boys. Man, that's pretty bad, dude. Well, but at least the Mel Buddy. Now now it's the worst song, like the worst song. I was gonna say that London Becken. So I mean, I just like I think it's just such a bad leaves me such a bad team. That's the song we're talking about. Oh that is m back in songs. Blah, blah, blah. This is this is how little the titles go with each other. Yeah, so, yeah, now we never say this usern. Oh, no, sorry, sorry, sorry, I think I was time. Sorry, I am wrong. I'm wrong. I got my horrible metaphors mixed up. That's the wet dreams websine. That is I'm so, so sorry, and I was wrong too. That's not the one. I'm talking about nails for bread. See, I literally this is what happens when you name titles. They don't have anything to do with your list. That I'm looking at a title list, going like none of these songs mean anything to me because they don't have the title being. Okay, you of courselers. I was talking about nails for breakfast. The third for breakfast is pretty bad. It's pretty bad. And for our listeners, the song that me and Kyle that makes us want to pull our ears off, is lying as the most fun a girl can have while taking her clothes off. Yeah, that's was a single, which was I know, God, it's just because he says it over and over again. It wouldn't be that bad if you didn't understand English. But the thing is, this is why? Also, that's type for a lot of songs that out. This is this is why it's another reason why I resented this band is because I feel like their fans did give a crap. It was just like no, this is great. It's like, no, it's not great, just frustrate. So I told so this is kind of funny. So I okay, we a buddy of ours that was in a band and Adam from eloh was tour managing this band called the hush sound and they were touring with Jack's man pan at the time, and so they were coming through their playing Tulsa, and so they need a place to stay. So I put the whole band up at my parents house because I know how often we needed a good place to stay with hot showers and, you know, people not ashing on the carpet, things like that. And so they were really cool. Those kids in the hushdown were awesome and they were young too. They were younger than we were for sure, and they had just gotten off to her with panic of the disco and I was just like, I just straight up said I was like they just sound so much. I mean this had to have been two thousand and five no, it's definitely two thousand and six because I was dating lease at the time. So, but he was just like they're just you got to admit they sound like panic the disco. I just remember him like kind of defending of like I'm not saying they're bad dudes or something, I was just saying, like, they sound just like fallout boy. And and we know now that it was completely on purpose, right, because Brindan jury has a voice of his own. Yeah, yeah, I agree. That's what pisses me off is that, like I feel, if anything, I feel that more validated in that criticism, because he was intentionally trying to sound like Patrick on this record. Yeah, maybe that's just youth, that's just like you loving something and not knowing how to take from it and make something that your own. And he figured that out pretty quick. You know, you got thrust into it. But it was his punishment for completely ripping off fallow boy millions of dollars, boring fans a career in music. Yeah, we probably should be swift to what Taylor freaking swift. Yeah, what is we learn? Kids? Copy off your heroes, do it the best and then you get a million dollars. Good for you. Yeah, we're like basically be the first carbon copy, the first cry. Now the first good shot, the first right on. Oh, and be really good looking. That helps to guys. Yeah, handsome, very that one don't hurt. That one's harder to do. that. Brandon jury is. Yeah, I'm he's easy on the eyes. I'm not kind of is or any that right. Yeah, you're either here do anyway. So okay, that one's easy. Okay, what about growing out of shower? Is there a song maybe you didn't like at first but now love? Kyle, let's go to you first. You know, I think. I think that build God, then we'll talk. Might be that for me, just because I I I don't think people who like this band, I really don't think that they were paying attention and listening to the entirety of this record because panic of the disco, to me, drove their their image home with their visuals. Like this album is not as theatrical as you would think after seeing the video, for I write sins, not tragedies, and so I think, I think the that build God and then we'll talk is more along those lines of of of I wright sins and and like definitely, I guess better put together than the other songs and seems well thought out as far as that goes. So I'll go with that one. Chris, what about you? Do you have a growing on...

...a shower? I don't, and I'm going to tell you why. I I just didn't really listen this album that much when it came out. I the same answer. Yeah, I'm spending. I'm spending the most time I've ever spent with it in the last three weeks. Yep, same here. I heard it. I just can't. Yeah, it was impossible not to hear it back then, but nothing ever grabbed me enough other than that single. But once I thought that was the most impressive song in the record. That's generally a bad sign for me. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you know, on a record and I just wasn't that into it. But, like I said, I definitely was jealous. But what wasn't I didn't hate I was just kind of indifferent to it. Like I hated Hawthorne Heights, like that baying drum nuts. Yeah, hated it. This was more like that's just not my thing and it sounds like fallowboy and I like follow boy. I've already got a good version of them. I didn't need it. Yeah, you don't need our SEACOLA. You got the real yeah, I got the real thing right, so royal for me. Any other final thoughts on the album, fellows, before we wrap it up? Nothing. Okay, sorry, I will say you know, as John Olivers, was it John Oliver or Stephen Colbert? Tip of the hat, wag of the finger? I feel like this fits that perfectly, the hat wag of the fingers. Yeah, I guys. I want to say like awful, but guy, for you waiting. O. I assume there will be just a dumpster fire. Just sold too main records in two thousand and five, which means really at least three times that many people had a copy of this record get black burned copy or downloaded copy or something like that. I'm sure that they're going to people to listen to this and are like piss that we have been like crapping on this record. We've ruined some, but just understand that, like we are just like place in time, saying, for the size that this record was, we don't think that it lives up to that level of hype. If this record would have sold fiftyzero copies and it would a long and and it was a good stepping stone to like, their next record. That ends up being the thing. Like I would, we probably wouldn't crap on this record as much. Is the truth. If this was like like my chaelical romance had a dunt great record that came out before three cheers for sweet revenge. No one talks about it because it wasn't big, like, it wasn't the thing. I put them on the map, and so it's likely cost more than Elevenzero. Probably did and it and like the expectations weren't there, unless you already liked my chemical romance, and there's obviously they went up with that next record. But like, but, if that's record would have sold to me and copies. I would have said the same thing about my chemical romances first record. But we're probably not, you know. But we did three cheers first because that is like their debut album. It's very rare that someone has this much success with truly their very first thing, especially in the land of time when people were doing EP's all the time. They basically had what two songs on puer volume kyle, something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, to those it you know. And so no really prior kind of thing, and so that's what we're talking about more than anything else. Anyway, long way to wrap it up, but thanks for listening again. If you like what you here, consider giving us, you know, a nice review on itunes. And, by the way, I was on my little podcast after the other day I was like, you know what I should rate this podcast that I'm listening to, because I'm always asking for a podcast. It's really hard to find that button. I didn't know that's like the old man scrolling back and forth. It's somewhere down there, though, in the reviews, and so if you can find it, give us a review. That be great and, course, subscribe. So these episodes show up convening on their phone. Supposed to be every two weeks. Sorry, we missed that one. Like I said, I won't up grade my computer ever again. We're just going to stay on with this software version until my computer dies so that we don't get off our two weeks schedule as always. That's my that's my operating system update policy right there. It's not bad. I mean, I was already I was having problems. Is the reason I upgraded. I shouldn't. I checked everything and I was wrong. I didn't check software. I just checked hardware. Anyway, where my where my Osten Lion folks at? That's what I'm right. Yeah, of course you can send this comments, disagreement, suggestions. You can email them to infot finding, email, podcom or you can find us on all the social media stuff, although we're terrible at being active on there. But shoot us. If you send us a message, we will write you back and argue with you. And and if you love painting of the disco and you love this album, feel free to tell us why we're wrong. We're fine with you. Disagreeing with us doesn't bother us. So the record sounds bad. It sounds bad. Guys made by it was made by objectively bad people. Kyle will argue with you. I'll give you the INSTAGRAM alog in. Okay, all right, we will catch you all next time. Oh No, that was really.

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