Finding Emo
Finding Emo

Episode 44 · 5 months ago

Ep044 - Even If It Kills Me by Motion City Soundtrack

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We think it's a travshammockery Motion City Soundtrack isn't more widely considered the face of the genre. They've got everything we love and came it hot with their follow up to Commit This To Memory. This album is underrated. Full stop. 

Welcome to finding Emoi, our podcast where we discuss our favorite albums from the early odds and thereabouts. I'm Blake Fisher. I'm joined by Chris Mounier and Kyle Simmons and we've got a new ass for two thousand and twenty two. You can go to finding Emoi podcom. Maybe I we actually haven't checked off. Chris even did this yet now, yet, not yet, we haven't actually done it. Eventually they will be. They eventually will be able to. You will eventually, at some point be able to go to finding emoi podcom or you can check the show notes and you can sign up for an email list. It's just a fun way. I don't know what we're going to do this year, but we'll try to do some stuff like maybe make some t shirts or have some contest or stuff like that, or fun things. So you can go there check that out. Obviously you can follow us on all the social media at finding Emo pod and you can rate us and you can subscribe to this podcast. That helps us a lot too. Shows, you know, those, the shows to show up right on your phone when they come out, which we're finally back in the rhythm of. No one got sick in the last two weeks. No one had the sort of disaster at their house. So we're on schedule. Yay For us. You're here like congratulations for the bare minimum effort of getting a new episode out of every two weeks. Guys, congratulations. Actually assume we were all schedule, so that's great for we're also, is news to me as well. We're on that's why, that's why we're doing this at a month now. I mean we're barely on schedule. It's Monday evening at thirty. I just got home from a thunder game. Narrow a loss, but I'm amped up from Ummer. Could almost come back. So today we are doing motion city soundtracks. Really, I mean, you know, sort of, I'm going to call it sophomore because you know, commit this de memory was kind of the big one, kind of breakout album, and so this is the one that follows that, which I think the reason I call that sophomore album is because it's the hard one. You know, it's the one where you just had kind of a hit thing and you maybe have some writers block and stuff to doing their second one, even if it kills me. Are Really third full length, but second, second kind of big one. I'm, like I said, counting as their sophomore. It was released September eighteen, two thousand and seven on epitaph, and this is kind of a weird producing credit. Did you guys know Rick Okayzik from the cars is it is okay sick, pronouncing that right. Rest in peace, absolutely, he said. Amazing me too. Adam sledding slessinger, also rest all right, pace and Eli Janny, and so it was really like half the records, Rick, half the ADA, half of its Adam and and then, oddly enough, as I'm looking into the album credits of this, I figured out a buddy of mine and guy that makes my record was an assistant engineer on this record when he was in New York. So there we go. I didn't get any feedback from him. I didn't. I wanted to ask him if rick was weird. I assume that would be an affirmative. But so yeah, kind of a weird I guess that the last minute they've been trying to get Rick Okayzik, which is a pretty good fit because a lot of people kind of felt emtion city was kind of the mid two thousands weezer of sorts, and obviously rick okays it did the famous blue album and then came back to the green album a couple other ones. So so yeah, so it makes sense they would kind of want to work with him any kind of and plus motion city also kind of sounds like the cars, I mean like with the sense and stuff. I mean there's definitely a cars vibe with them. I can see why they cars for sure. Yeah, two Thousan cars, but I can definitely see why that would be a good fit. And I guess they didn't think they could get them. So they'd kind of lined up Adam, who songwriter. It's a good second yeah, from fountains of Wayne, great, great, great, great songwriter and and so. But then I guess at the last minute rik was like I can do it, and so I guess they kind of split the album. Though much later they kind of not much later, but quite a bit later, they start kind of saying like it was kind of a disappointing experience, unfortunately. I guess he was very, really strange and confusing and I guess one guy said like I literally never understood a thing he said, like nothing made any sense, and and they were like it was almost like he was pranking us, like we would like do a good take and they would he'd be like do it again, and he would do like what was obviously a terrible take and they be sounds good, or the guitar would be attit tune. They I think it's out of to know, it sounds great, let's just keep it. It just seemed like they were like it just it felt like we were getting pranked. But they said his main engineer was like the reason the record turned out the way it did. Essentially, it's like he was really kind of the thank God for him kind of thing. So kind of sucks with did he come with the Ricokay, sick package? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, okay, and and so, yeah, I mean I guess it worked out because I think the hands sound God great. Yeah, but but apparently, yeah, it was not not weird with Rick. Never didn't hear anything bad about working with Adam. But so it's kind of weird. It peaked at number sixteen on the top two hundred and I think it was number one in the alternative...

...charts and stuff. So it debuted pretty big for them and I guess like immediately after recording this record, Justin goes to Rehab for three weeks. He was in a bad spot, which is weird because, as we'll talk about as we start talking on trackbytrack, this album feels a lot happier than the previous one and I thought I had maybe the time las mixed up. I thought he went before this, but it didn't. That's not it was after the recording of this. So I feel like this one's a little bit more the last one was like every lyric like wow, these are super depressing. You just don't realize it because it's like on such a Bouncy, happy song. But this one feels a little more a beat, not that it's not self deprecating and stuff at points, but it does feel better and kind of in a better spot than previously. But it doesn't sound like he was. So it was good to get a little break and it sounds like after that it was quite a bit better. So that's really I mean, there's not a ton about the album. You know, they kind of they did have a little bit of that rider's block kind of thing. I think they were a little nervous about it. Some some of it, some of these kind of just kind of came together. Sounds like in the studio and and kind of last minute and worked pretty well, but I think they were you know, I think, as most people do it, it's a little tough going sometimes up front and then kind of grind it out and ended up with a bunch of great songs. One thing that I found that I thought was probably the case, but I wondered if it was a producer thing or a band thing. He definitely sang more. He try purposely saying like softer on this record because he was just nervous about their blown his voice out on tour singing. You know, as you get more if you get on bigger tours and as you have more albums, you're playing longer sets and you can't quite go at that level that he was going at on the previous record for entire set. So you like purposely tried to sit back a little bit and write these songs to be a little bit more constrained on the vocals. Are restrained, I guess, on the vocals and I think it does a good job and it really makes the parts where he kind of goes for it, I think really kind of special on the record, for sure. So and you know, Styley stylistically we get, I think, more synth on this record. That that mogue. Fun Fact. It's not pronounce smooth, which I think is just rude to have a company spelled mg and called mogue. But whatever, we can talk about that. But it's nice and up there in the mix, which I think it was a little bit more of a novelty before at least, and that was probably more of a I don't know if that was just because, like, synth was a little bit weird. There was nothing. I can't think of many bands that is like them and Reggie in the full effect. was there anyone else? You using sense a lot in early S. I don't feel like it was a really popular thing to do yet. That was one other band. I can picture their logo o. Their shit was a reunion show. I don't remember. I didn't really listen to them anyway. There weren't a lot of synthy bands and so I feel like it kind of but I feel like it became more of a glue and they were a little less straight sword rock on this while so this is like the dawn of all scream oh to so in. You know, the synth made them just seem probably even happier than on the real world. Yeah, because everything was trying to not be that. Yeah, it's like do you guys scream? Oh No, we point, we got s a synthesizer what and do handstands on it. Yeah, so that's kind of what I've got about the record. It's it had three singles. I think they did pretty well. So I mean it was a successful record for them. It kind of got panned, not panned, it got like six out of tins on everything, which boo. As we talked about, this record is, I think, incredibly too low, like not just I really I think that motion city soundtrack is, and we talked about this last time we talked about them. I think that they should be the poster child for this, for the genre of music that was happening in the S, because they're like a blend of enough of it that I think they really should have been even bigger than they were and they were fantastic live and they consistently put out good records. There's only only one record of theirs that I feel like is met and it still has some great songs on it. I'd say this dinosaur life would be that for me. I don't know, if you guys agree with me or not. But but really they make it salt solid records through their whole time being together and I think they're underrated and therefore I think this album is very underrated for me, like for all the publications to be given it like six out of ten. That's just that's too middle of the pack for me. That's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't know what I mean. I don't know why I care what they think, but it just seems like they're wrong. I think they're wrong. Yeah, I think they're objectively wrong. Feel free to disagree with us if you if you think so, but that's kind of it. I mean it was kind of, you know, sort of received from the critics, but it's sold better than their previous one. So they...

...get sold three hundred thousand copies or something. I think I remember reading that, but don't quote me. All right, so that's kind of it about that. So let's talk about first impressions, Kyle. Let's good you first, because you are dumb struck by the six out of ten ratings. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. I love this from the start and and you know the last record, I loved it too, but it was. It was so online game anything else that was happening at the time. I think maybe like there was just a little bit of of like warming up to them, of acclamation. And now, when this record came out, I was fully ready for a new motion city record and and I thought a kick butt from the moment I heard it. Chris, what about you first impressions in Two Thousand and seven? I have whatever. Yeah, I was going to say. So I don't know what happened to me. Like in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, some bands I really loved I just stopped listening to when new music would come out, I would just stay old music. But I really didn't get really familiar with this record until you, Blake, made a montage clip of some of US hanging out together with you on a boat with one of these songs on it. I probably did and it was what song is it? It's the Barbara Barbara, the first one. It's Gosh, why can't I find it? Can't finish when you started, Oh, I don't even remember doing this. This is yes, but but I was like what is this? This is this is the city. SUNTRIC's a great song. And then I was like, oh, there's this whole album I've never listened to and I absolutely loved it. that. But that was, gosh, maybe two thousand and ten, two thousand and eleven, it was little later. Yeah, so that shame on me. Shame on me for not picking this up. Did you mean the mouse? Did you mean the mouth trumpet, basically the Intro to this record just a second ago? I don't think you did. I think I think he was trying to like. I think that was this thing. We can always be off friends, but it did sound like better. Oh you're doing the first. I was like, I'm not doing a song. Shut up doing anything when you're talking about I'm trying to read my lint my notes here and figure out what song it was. That blake put it as montage video, but does sound vaguely familiar. It was to clips of US falling off the tube, but the lake, I believe. Yes, okay, that's it. Okay, I'll if I can find that video. Well, I guess I can't put on the Internet and get taken down for coffee, right, but whatever. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Yeah, I mean I remember besive. I definitely had this out when it came out, because I remember listening to it in my Condo, which I had in two thousand and seven. And Yeah, I was in the same boat as U Kyle as far as like being really amped about this record because, honestly, I didn't. I knew who they were. We'd even played with them like way back. I say way back, and it was like two thousand and two, and I really like to commit this to memory. That was kind of where I got into them, and I really got into them after seeing them, like you know, once I knew who they were. The show that we played with them, it was like one of those five band bills where I didn't know anyone we were playing with. There were twelve children there. I mean that was it. It's not like at a coffee shop in Tulsa. And then, like I saw them a second time and I was like wait, him and I've seen this before. I've seen a guy do a handstand on a synthesizer. This is like kid, there can't be two bands that do this. And then a guy with that hair. I was like, I've definitely we played with these guys and I was like blown away by how good they were, probably because the place we played the coffee shop. Not a good sound system. Just going to go ahead and guess. I don't remember. I'm sure it was terrible. I get these guys are good sound system. They're good. So I was all in. I really was excited about this record and I immediately liked it. I just don't, I cannot believe now, looking back at these reviews, that it's getting like six out of ten. It just doesn't seem fair to me. So I liked it. I thought it was a cool like. You know, it was not the exact same records, like a carbon copy. I think that was some of the complaints. Were like Oh, just feels like more of the same, and I'm like, I feel like there's quite a bit more on this that they didn't do on the one on commit this to memory, but not enough, apparently, to impress them, those daring critics. You know, I think it's on. I think that they expected them to be. There were a lot of comparisons to the wheezer stuff, I feel like, which is weird because I don't think they sound that much like Weezer, but I get the quirkiness thing, I think is what they're morse are talking about. Inspired by yeah, but yeah, it's definitely not like, you know, sounds like Weezer, but I don't know what they wanted from them on the on the second record. But you know, well, I don't know was they were producer attachment that like got people's hopes so high for like to some amazing rock and roll record, and it's not. Don't I don't know rock and roll record. I'm it's still a pop, punk rocket roll record. You know, Rick Okays it's a weird producer though. I mean like it's,...

...you know, the between when you listen to blue and green. Just like take those two wheezer albums and nothing else like. Those sound really totally different. Like ones like not polished, one is like Uber Polished. So it sounds like he can't kind of morph into whatever the band needs in movie. But it also sounds like it might be an engineer. Might be either an engineer thing or something, because that's a little weird to have a producer have now. I mean obviously you that's six years, six, seven years later, so maybe you just got better at it, but this is an inspector gadget scenario that is developing here, where Rick Okaysey just walks and says crazy stuff and like you've got like the engineers are like, I don't worry about which is gonna it's gonna be fine. Make that more purple. No Way, more purple. Don't worry about what he's yeah, we'll just will fix it later. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. It's kind of weird, but in especially to then hear, you don't hear that very often, that someone comes out as like it was kind of weird. They weren't like bad mouthing or anything. They were like it was just a weird experience and it was kind of not just like not what we expected, and I think I bet these guys really look up to him and they would be like made incited doing our ruder. I was gonna say, like they might as well have bad mouth them like this guy's this guy's a legend, and for their response to be like it's pretty weird. But did this happen with someone else that we were talking about a record with where they're still familiar? Yeah, this feels familiar, where someone kind of had that situation where we're something was Oh, yeah, it was wasn't at starting line and Howard Benson. Yeah, might. Well, not all. He wasn't all super into it. Yeah, but I think that was that Benson wasn't into the band. Yeah, right, yeah, that that he did. He was like, I don't get it. Yeah, that feels different, though. That feels like, yeah, I bet that happens all the time. Yeah, I say that's far more common. Yeah, far more common. What's the thing? Pretty, like a producer, edgineer, says, like when they're not into it, like you play the take in their lives. So what you guys think is that it would you that the one that the world had. You guys feel about that? But that's okay, sick. We're paying a lot of money. What did it? Would it? What did you yeah, that's yeah, I think you're right. That's the classic. How did you feel about it? Well, I mean, I guess it's going to track, my track, and and let's discuss some of these these songs that we you know, some people are saying weren't good. I think they're fantastic. So let's just start with a track, one that's a good place to start, which is fell in love without you. A snug the cudas sadden me off, made pretty fiction. Chris is are drumming, so of course we're going to go to him first. Chris, what your thoughts on track one? They do this, this band does this. They always start off with a bankers of the wall going for it, and I always love it because it's like always like an expected surprise. Better like yeah, they did it again, just fast and intense, and I love the symphony swell to at the beginning. I desperately tried to do with my mouth earlier but was not quite able to pull off. Oh, I think you nailed it. That was always something I wanted to do and I do remember like talked about it so many times. You talked about but so many we talked about it in a live sense with either. I always thought it'd be fun to like have the lights off with the orchestra tuning and then everyone come in loud hitting the the music standing, thinking yeah, exactly, and so I was wanted to do that and then this record came out I was like, Dang it, they did it for the record. What a good idea. I do remember being jealous of having not done that. Yeah, it's a really good opening track. Carl, what are your thoughts? Same thoughts, dudes, Chris, you definitely mouth trumpeted that part. PA paper PREPAR freaking balls to the wall. They just come out swinging. Also, I didn't realize this until this recent listen, but Justin didn't write this song. He was not a writer on it. So I did not know that either. Was it just the guitars? That's kind of cool that it's such a kick butt song. In the main, songwriter had nothing to do with it. So it is interesting because, I mean, I wouldn't you know, it's not definitely blend well. For sure, as far as like,...

...it doesn't mind like this doesn't throw it's not out of left field or anything. Now and and in we talked on the last motion city episode. He's got a distinct voice in both in sound but also the way that he tells a narrative, you know, like and so I don't feel like this strays at all. Like his bandmates nailed it. Yeah, I agree. We're so where did you where those credits? Because, like, I've got the album in front of me and just everything just says Copyright Motion City Soundtrack and didn't say anything about so on apple music it gives me the credits for each song. Oh, awesome. Yeah, well, so that score one point four apple music. Maybe spotify does that, but like they're still down like seventy eight hundred and twenty four to spotify. For me, I'm into I'm going to trial of each of them. I'm really trying to give apple music a shot. I would love, okay, hear you guys, pitch me on it, but so far I am not impressed with most of it. Anyway, we can talk about that later. That's no one that no one listened this podcast cares, but or maybe they do. Send me your recommendations. Yeah, it's a really good opening track. I like the like quick. They did this on the record before. This too quick, like not quite sub two minute song, but just feels like they come out there swinging gang vocals, Goofy Guitar Solo in the middle of it, key change. It's all good. So let's go to track to, which is this is for real, not scanting bones, and it did explode. You smoke the demons. gave me back my feelings. Now good, Kyle, what are your thoughts on track to freaking rocks? Also very funny because when you I didn't realize until today that it was shared production and I'm a huge schlush and Grul fan just as far as songwriting goes. Yeah, he's a great also, I mean Rico Kasack. He's a legend, right. Yeah, they're both so. So I have the list in front of me of who produced what, Yep, and I'm like trying to guess in real time. So that was okay, sick. And it's so funny because there's a very cars esk synth on that. Oh, yeah, for sure, and around. Yeah, and Adam D Dr One. So on this song and I think even like the next for this one, and then, excuse me, this one in the following three, like they all build the entire time in a really wonderful way. Just start off small and just and just really go for it. Also, the way that he rhymes. I think you played the second verse, but the first verse, the You are the nightlight ripping through my wicked world. Yep, like I just fun to say, you know, bound it rolls off the tongue. But Great Song. Yeah, Chris, what are your thoughts on track to totally totally agree with everything, the birthday, buddies laying down and it also has that sweet, sweet I don't, I don't know if we talk about this, last time we talked about most city soundtrack. They they do prechorses really well. Yeah, and it's got that I called it the classic MCS prechoruse. It's got that feel to it. Yeah, they do really good job on prechurses and I think ink to Kyle's point, they do a really good job of not repeating anything they did before. So like every verse either has some new layer. This one has kind of that from alow thing going on in that second one and so yeah, I think that they're good at that as a band, of not of always adding something or changing chords very slightly or the way they're playing it in a verse, and it really like the reason I realize it is because I when I'm trying to pick clips for this for like thirty seconds or so, there's a lot of times where I'm like I just can't get enough. It's like there's a prechorse I want to grab, but if I get too much of that or like there were several times I started recording clips because I like the verse so much, but by the time I got the verse in the Pre Chorus, I didn't even get a chorus. So I was like yeah, I got a back. It's like, you know, I had this shifting window where I had to pick between verse, Pre Chorus and Chorus, and there's something like not a boring part really, and so you agree where we can say all, dude, I was just going to say to further what you're saying, like they bust out the we'll talk about it later, but they bust out the oh so rare post chorus on this right. Yes, they do. You're absolutely right. Yeah, it freaking row. Yeah, the they they really just know where to go to make you...

...they really are good at rising action the whole time, and it's pretty great. Yeah, it's good. Second Track it, you know, as as we always want on the second track. We want to the first one to kind of really grab our attention in the second one to hold it, you know, and I think this does a good job at that. So let's go to track three. It had to be you, it was. Yeah, you guys knew I had to get the bridge on that one. I mean, Ladies and Gentlemen, Blake Fisher, the clip master, perfect way to go. I try, I try, I try, kyle, it's go to you. What are you? What are your thoughts? On this, this track, I mean this song builds the whole time and that ending is insane. There's so much going on. The woos and the background and in in those lyrics are so good. My favorite is the they say with that what doesn't kill you kills US makes us who we are. Yeah, love that again, like the pulsing pianos. I'm cracking up because I almost want to play a game with you guys, because I have the list in front of me. I don't know if you do of who produced what. I do. I know to are you so? But Chris? Okay, okay, I got to Chris. You want to guess? So I did not write this down, so I will. Okay, have to. Okay, I'm just I feel like it's so clear. Well, is it's Adam right? It's at yeah, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think you can tell me this. Background Vocals Very fountains of Wayne, for sure, or eat or or my other favorite Adam Project, was that thing you do, of course, soundtrack, right. I mean. Well, I think rick songs have a tell. I'll see if I'm right. We'll keep trying this. Okay, yeah, that's right. I think Rick Song have a tell. That gives them away pretty quickly. Usually find out if I'm right. Chris, what are your thoughts on had to be dig the tune. Love how it builds up. I also another staple of most city soundtrack is I don't know what you would call us. I call it the ladder, the the walking up the ladder chorus where that they're going up to scale. They do a lot that they done and yeah, just kind of like builds anticipation and I don't know, I love it. I dig it. It's got good vibes. I really can't pick a bit. He's one of my favorite lyrists in the sense that, like he always turns these clever phrases or and he's just they're kind of funny without being Haha funny, if that makes sense. I love Linquen A to Fart, know, but not like trying to like yeah, yes, but I love the decadd I love let's get wrecked on pop tarts and sex. That's a great, great line, and I also like, did you spend a fortune on those late night prepaid television scams? On that Freak Chorus, I just love, like that's such a great like painting a picture of this person that he's talking about in search of the perfect blender, steak knife and non stick frying pant, like. That's not that sounds like a goofy lyric, but it absolutely works. With Justin Piercing it. There's, I believe it sincere. I don't you know what I mean. Doesn't even feel like he's just writing whatever comes as I mean it like, it feels like that's really a question he would ask someone. I don't know why, I don't know him, but he just feels quirky. I mean that hair. You got to be a little quirky with the big hair. I love it, though, and yeah, it's got a lot of really, really good, good lyrics and I'm totally with you. Catch that. That bridge is fantastic, but again, it was hard to pick thirty seconds. I wanted to keep it. I just realize we didn't even get any verse in there. No, because it's a totally different vibe right, different VIBE. Yeah, but I love it. I just I had to get the I had to get the bridge. Sorry, I did write. I'd play the whole thing again. This is this is definitely one of those where on almost every track, I would, you know, suggest you pause it. And go listen to the whole Dang Song and then come back to our podcast listen to US talk about it, because they're just so much going on and all these songs that's interest, so much better than six has, way better than six. Is Every Song we've listened to is better than a six. That goes without saying. Yeah, you can't. I mean, I know, I just I realized they are. Not was being a Butthole, but like that's what happened and I don't I don't know. It's weird like in a see of bands that all kind of all sounded the like. So at some points, you know, here's a band that like, I think, sounds really unique. I don't think you can mistake emotion city soundtrack for anyone else. I realized you're right, Reggie, there's other bands that have the sent thing going on. They definitely have...

...like a wheezer vibe. They definitely there that. I read a good article that was kind of like they really should have. There's no reason they shouldn't have taken the crown kind of from blink way to in that hiatus period of time, right because they're great. They've got really great pop songs and and I think the kind of like more serious music fans like them as well. As you know, you could be a fifteen year old email girl and like them to and you know, I think they kind of a lot of people. I don't know anyone that was like, I hate emotioncity soundtrack. That makes sense. Yeah, but you know what, though, to kind of you guys both talked about how, like we've all talked about what kind of lyricist he is. He's great, he's Hilarious, but also, don't you think that maybe, if, if you don't you think that someone could receive this as somewhat like he's he's Morbid, you know what I mean? Like like somebody may not appreciate his sense of humor. I mean, but I never heard that as a reason for at this. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't like them because it's also for at the same time, for freaking say anything to be you know what I mean? Like, I mean that doesn't say mean his second records the same year, right, is that like two thousand and seven? So come on, like that's who's on this record, by the way, doing some background vocals. Yeah, but you know, like so I don't that can't be it, because that was a way more crass, kind of like, Oh boy, that's we're really saying this kind of record. Definitely, but like to me they're both as honest, like they're different. Oh, completely he but yeah, but Justin sounds sounds happier. Yes, and and like that can be a trip sometimes. So yeah, for sure, because it is. Yeah, sometimes you're like bopping along the lyrics are like wait, what am I singing? But I think this record is. I think the last one is more depressing than this one. Oh for sure. You know, talked about that and you just read them. Great and great to tell, didn't we have us? Oh yeah, there's for even though it sounded appy, if you just read them, they're they're very much like that. So I'm with you. But yeah, I mean I think it's great. I think this is a great their track. We're three in and we're definitely more about that after this next song. Yeah, for sure. Right, that's a lot of sad face about it, cods on my notes here. Okay, let's do that. Okay, let's go to last night track for outside. That last line you did. It kills me, and that's okay. That's one of those spots where he kind of lets loose and he's not singing soft anymore, and to me it makes it so much better, like because he's at that he's at that level like for a lot of commit this to memory, and because he's been even on the upbeat, like fast songs, even on like the first one, to truly the background vocals. They're adding. It's the gang vocals that are adding the weight to like last night I fell in love without you, and and so that line where he says this isn't working out for you and me, I mean it's like you can it's like he gets raw right there and he hasn't really done that on this record till that point and it makes it just even, just gets me like. I love it. So That's enough about me rambling. Chris, what are your thoughts on last night song? So freaking sad. What a VIBE, the way the instruments play out, the layers in the verse, the Finger Picking on the guitar are and then the swells and the piano part kind of playing off at the edge of the vocals, the lyrics. The whole song is just so freaking sad. Now I read something after I was realys, see a song this weekend that actually, I don't want to say it right now, but like I read something about this song and then it made me like list of the song in a different way and then it wasn't a sad to me. But before I read what I read, I said, this is such a perfect picture of a moment, like I can see him like looking around the apartment. I could see him feeling those feelings. And then the lines, you know, afraid of the fall that never ends, and then, like a few stands as later, Autumn turns its back on me again, like kind of how his life is just like, oh gosh, it's just never any blah, blah, blah, and Noli sudden like, Oh my God, I missed I missed these moments. Tear God, the Song Sad. I'm...

...rambling. It's just because it did a lot to be emotionally right. Yeah, maybe it destroyed me emotionally. Well, I mean so they they basically Kane had the guitar part and they basically kind of wrote it in like basically really quick like this the whole thing came together. Basically wrote the lyrics in the pass, in a single pass. So I mean it this. This like one of those songs were just playing that guitar part and they start riffing over it. I guess like it came then. They came up with it really fast, and so those are the best ones. Sometimes, though, it's like all we have a little bit of that writer's block and you're like not quite there, and then a song just kind of like pops out of you like this. And and Gosh, this is it's so good. Cowed. Your thoughts on it freaking rocks. I mean, going going off of what you just said, like the build on the song is incredible. Yeah, from the start to these end, so quiet. I'm front. Yeah, it is so quiet. Well, and and also it's non conventional. There is not a conventional chorus. It's just a single rhyme, Scrye, he's fault, like like there's one rhyme that he continues throughout the song for I guess what you would call the chorus, but not really. It's just a narrative. Right. And and Dude, Chris, you mentioned like one of my favorite lines. This this whole song is incredibly written, but like in the first verse, my my favorite is my panic. Research was no help. I sink into myself, afraid of the fall that never ends. I wait, but I'm too tired to play pretend. I suffocate until the end. Yeah, it sounds Super Emo, but like Dath. And even though this is a not it is more like emotional song, even like musically, but it's not the the lyrics are still more depressing when you just read them, even though this is in well, sounds like a sad song. This time it's not, as it's still as obvious and like yeah, but it definitely gives me all the feels, like I love it. And and he they did a great job. And again I just go like does he well, it's first of all, like what I didn't tell us the thing you read about Chris because our can you now now, or do you have to do it later? Yeah, so what I was feeling was that the lyrics were so raw and real that it had to be based on a true story. But then I read something that if it had something to do with the movie memento, and if you watch memento, and then I think I read that tune, then I forgot. Plays into what you're saying too, that it was written fast. He's like, Oh, let's do lyrics like Yo, she whispers in his ear, all that. So so I don't know if it's correct or not, but apple music is telling me that Justin didn't write this one either. I think Apple Music's wrong for sure, because I read the thing about because the lyrics in one passed. Well, not only that, but this is this is him to a team. Take a point off the board for Apple Music, and now the score is like seventy three to twenty one or something. We're we're low. All right, sorry, if they can't even get the credits right, there's no way Justin didn't write these lyrics. I mean I feel the same. Is Not a chance. Okay, yeah, this I like. This theory is that? I think I read that that was actually him saying that too. So that's not even just like a theory. That's like him. It was just an in an interview saying, like we watched that movie and then check the lyrics out and see if it makes any more sense. Yeah, okay, now I'm curious about that. That would be the what's funny is I've thought that another song, I think it was on a yellow card record, felt like it was about a nulan movie, but not this one and then I missed it on this one, so I'm obviously not paying that close attention to lyrics. No surprise, they're okay. Let's go to track five, calling on COPS, Kyle. Let's go to you thoughts on calling on cops and the autobots. Don't forget about them. I really like this song. I like I mean, I don't know how I would describe it. Maybe like kind of more chill, but I really did the vibe of it and kind of the same like. I get that. I get that there's a chorus, but it doesn't feel hooky. You know what I mean, right? I honestly, his songs to me make me feel like I'm listening to an open mic night and this dude is just telling me stories with his lyrics. Yeah, I mean it's if it's a good one. It's not. It's not my favorite on the album, but I really like it. So yeah, I think that's definitely fair. I think that it's still good song, but this...

...is like so far, this is the I mean, if you want to say it's the weakest Song of the first five tracks, I think that's fair. But the first four tracks are really good. Yeah, and it's and this is a little bit more just like tongue in cheek and in fun, you know. But yeah, it doesn't seem it seems a little more not serious compared to the last song. That makes sense, Chris, what are your thoughts on it? Okay, so we forgot our game, Kyle. Well, last night Adam as well, it wasn't. And actually that's the first. That's the first one to surprise me. that. Yeah, last night's because I agree with you, that sounded Adam, but this one's rick. Yes, totally, okay, okay, yeah, because we're at track five. That is rick for sure. Yeah, I did not. Last night did throw me off too. I agree, Chris. Okay, okay, cool, cool, yeah, Dang it, but I think it's because the cars didn't really have any sad songs either. Yeah, I know they did. That drives Super Sad. First, sorry, be D said Song. Sorry, forgotten about the sad is eight s song. Dei they it's like we don't have any sad songs. Let's do the saddest song of all time, just one really sad work. Yeah, that one is okay. so forgive me. Cars definitely on set songs. Yeah, it's a good, good point. Ten, I love the little ninety city little pre chorus thing between verses with the strings. It's cool. And Yeah, your first transformers reference of the of the album right, our first last. I do think that, like that's a really good point. You bring up. Kyle is like their unorthodox kind of song structure in the sense that like this is the second song that kind of just has really the verses are more of a hook than and it's really a basically the last line of the verse that kind of plays as a chorus, you know. Yep, and then kind of that instrumental thing kind of break in between them and stuff, and I like that. They kind of fade out on that too. Will Not really fade out, but of course it sort of the in the song, that kind of repetitive thing. It's cool and they I it's it's so hard to like when as a songwriter, for sure, and I've not been in their position where like you have a successful record and you've got to make another one and the pressure is to for it to be better than the last one, especially when you've got a successful record, like you want to keep that audience and stuff, and I feel like it's really easy to get bogged down and like what, you know, Oh, we got to ride a hit and we got it, and I just feel like I've no idea what was going on in the room when they're writing this stuff. But the sort of an orthodoxy of this stuff. It's weird without being so weird that you notice it. It's not like someone would be like, I don't know, this is off the wall or anything like that, but a lot of people would notice that this doesn't have that traditional kind of like a be ABC, be right, be you know, kind of structure to it, but it still manages to be good. And I mean, I mean I wish I could get out of my head sometimes when I'm writing something to be like, Oh, I mean, I'll getting nit picky about is that too long of a precourse or you know, I feel like I'm always in the weeds and that kind of thing. Kyle, I feel like you're better about when you write, just like writing whatever feels right and no, you stop and not caring about like, you know what I mean, is this the normal way to do this or whatever? Yeah, Kyle is good at that. Kyle's good at that. He's good at just going off the cuff I'm I can't play that well, but obviously I feel like these guys are guys good about about that and not sticking to a formula, and that's what makes their records interesting and better than a six out of tin. Dang it. Okay, let's go to track six. Can't finish what you started. What solution? And I couldn't even get to the end of the chorus because again, I can't you to find thirty seconds here. I wanted to get the bouncing us of those verses because there's so fun that drum part. I mean it's so cool and yeah, I just felt like I couldn't quite get it. But I couldn't even get the last line in Chris thoughts. I freaking love this song. I love the drums on the verse and it's got what I think is one of...

...my one of my all time favorite lines from any song, only because I can relate to it so much. The I'm waiting for my world to fall apart. That's why I'll never finish any why I'll not I I'll. He's saying it past tense, because he's saying it's this is never going to change. Yes, is who I will and who I always your yeah, yeah, I'll finish anything I start, because I think I don't know. Hopefully a lot of you out there could relate to this. I feel like that. You know, some of us just you live your life this way. You think you're making it up as you go along. You don't know what's going on and you kind of you really self destruct, but you just just keep making these decisions and then some day or four you got two kids that you're like, man, I've been freaking making this up as I went along. How did I get here? And how genius is it? On the last one he doesn't finish the line. I mean that is such a genius move and I love it. It is so good. I just love it. It's one of my favorite not saying the lyric lyrics, if that, you know, at or not doing what is expected it, especially because he's just he is too damn clever, man. It is not fair, and I that's one of those things that I imagine the first time he was like, no, what if I don't say it the least like I think they all laughed. I think they had to have, because that was what I would have done. Like that is so perfect. It's like I can't believe. Obviously perfect that is. I love it. It's one of my favorite tricky little lyric things that I've heard. Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? First of all, who produced it? Oh, Chris Ah man. I got I'm going to give. I want to give you a hint. The the you were, you were you were pretending to sing the backgrounds. Keep that in mind. Okay, so hit out of that was my gut to that. It was my go there you, Adam, was my gut, but you've got me second guessing myself because of no freaking last night. Yeah, so now everyone, I'm going to be like, all right, yeah, I think. I think for the most part, background vocals are the tell, the tell, because what's weird is, I mean they take colors. The cars were awesome a back roun vocals. Yeah, but Adam, you know, and fountains of winter. So testing go ahead, the freaking kicks, but you mentioned it. But like, the end is just brilliant. I think he's so clever. Like I almost it's almost like I never want to meet this guy and I want to meet him at the same time, like I feel like he's going to be so smart and so much on another level that I want to understand anything. I won't catch any of his jokes or I'll just look like a buffoon. You know, I ped next time south by southwest, one time. Does that count? Well, where you pick? Did you feel the smart waves coming? Did? Yeah, wow, I felt it. Great Song, freaking Awesome Song, and and now I'll save it for the end. Great Song. Yeah, I again, better than a six, definitely better than six. So far every song has been. I just love the I thought of all the things I'd like to say, cramped up and couldn't write a word all day. But I think that's which is funny to me, because he's also kind of I feel like he has a lot of lyrics and a lot of these songs, and I assume that's a real thing. That happens to him too. I mean, obviously it's like can't it's like his his mind just seems like it goes a thousand miles an hour, the way he connects all these weird things. The other also writes in a way that we get to feel like this still feels like inner monolog yes, you know what I mean. Yeah, and never we just get to hear it and it never feels like he's being it's like he's selfaware, but in a way that's not inhibiting, if that makes yeah, since you know it's I think he knows what he's doing, but without being sympathetic necessarily. It's like he's almost kind of like which is a it's just a hard line to straddle because a lot of times I the common probably complaint about Emos, how whiny it is, and I feel like he never comes across as whiny in any of this stuff. He's never saying poor me, he's saying like normally, I messed up, is what he's saying a lot of times and and I feel like he's kind of doing that to here. You know, it's like wor's the line where he says, I don't know, I can't find the lyric now, but he's just he does a good job of blurring that and not being all the way like poor me, or it's all someone else's fault or something. It seems like he owns it but at the same time being like this sucks, I just like it. I think he does a good job with it. Shall we go? Wait, we all talked about that. Okay, let's go to the conversation now. I think I want Chris's go to you. That voice,...

...man, not heard that voice from him. Yeah, on any record up to this point. It's very naked, raw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. What a ballad. I don't have anything else to say. The voice not to away. It sounds good. If you're a heat fan, Kyle, this song is incredible. I think the band produced this one. They did. I don't see, and so I think you he his voice sounds incredible. Sounds my birthday. Buddy is right. We haven't heard it sound like this before. And what's what's cool is he mentions he mentions been folds five later in the record. This sounds like a been fold five song. It does. I'll how about that? It does. Yeah, and like in his voice at the at the end of that you know, kind of chorus, he sounds like freaking ben folds in the most awesome way. You know. It's so good. And another another song where we don't have a conventional chorus. I mean, I guess melodically we do, but I don't know. Man, he's there. They're really good songwriters and the fact that you they dropped this in the middle of their record. Like who else can do that? And it's kind of work and at the end of side one, which is kind of like the the right way to do it, like right about. That's true. First half. It divides it in half. Yeah, it was produced by the same Jeff San off, the engineer for the Adam side of the record, engineered it. So definitely has some cohesion be yeah, you don't need a lot of production when it's like all lead vocal, background vocal and a piano. It's pretty pretty simple, you know. Yeah, I like it and it's not. It's definitely like different and if it were maybe anywhere else other than smack DAB in the middle of this thing dividing it, it might feel weird, like I wouldn't like this as the ending track, for example. Sure, but I think it fits nicely where it is and it's a good owner lude and it's pretty and it's and it's a nice transition into the back half of the record, which will go to now, starting with broken hearts. Rest myself these with God dug with fingers straws to me. I can cory Kyle you first. What are your thoughts on broken heart? freaking awesome song. Also like you said, if you got the vinyl, it's a great it's a great second start to the record. Yeah, and and you know, I mean, I guess I'm kind kind of getting in a way. I don't want to be redundant and like read through this, but this is another great one. That's just it's a bummer and and sounds sounds pretty happy, consider considering what kind of a you know what the lyrics say, Chris, what do you think? WHO PRODUCED IT? Rick? Indeed he did. It is real. I feel like the scent gave it away on this one. It sounds just a little different. But Pants on the guitars to yeah, hard pants. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a fair, fair assessment. Yeah, I mean it's definitely, you know, total juxtavision position between what we're hearing and the lyrics. If you just read them, it's quite a different Chris, what are your thoughts? Yeah, so I do really, really like the chorus on this song. It totally jams that, you know. Now that I'm thinking back, I didn't really pay too much attention to the lyrics, but it is called broken heart. I should have given it away to for me, that is have to go back and revisit it. I liked kyle smiled like really big what he was say that because we said that's so often we're listed what city sundry like such a happy song. What a Bummer, though, when you reads have to go back and check that out. I love that last verse how they go to just like the bass in the vocal and it all gets super dry and then the vocal comes in for the chorus and it's big and reverby again. It's cool. It's a it's a cool song and it's a perfect start to the back half of the record.

It just they do a good job of splitting this thing, which is funny because I think about it now as I've got the vinyl, but I didn't have this vinyl in two thousand and seven and it's like that had to have kind of gone by the wayside of like I don't know anyone that was thinking about like side one, side too kind of thing, right and right. So, but it really does split this thing like kind of perfectly. I mean it, except what's weird is that, yeah, no, I mean it really does split it. It's seven tracks a front and then six on the back side. Thirteen tracks, and it couldn't be a perfect, more perfect kind of Split. So I don't know if they knew that that was going to be how that worked out. Maybe that's how we kind of did stuff anyway, just the natural kind of ramp and kind of lull in the middle. So maybe just worked out that a lot of these would be that way. I've had a couple of records where they it clearly wasn't a thought and they had to like get rid of a transition between those songs that was there on the CD or on the digital version, but on the record they have to like well, we have to cut one off and start it again. So I've seen that happen a couple times where they have to either I've seen it sometimes where they drop of a track that wasn't released in the middle of the record on some of these vinyl releases. Wow, yeah, the trips me a way out. Yeah, if you had CDs as a kid, younger like well, or like said track, I think I've mentioned it on here before, were but like the thredy blind out of the vein record, like is has some different mixes of some of the tracks where there's some like vocal parts and lyrics that weren't there before. And Yeah, there's a what was the other track? That's there's another like Tom Petty's greatest hits is like, that's got a random, an extra song in the middle of the record. That did kes. Did we ever tell the story, Blake on this podcast, of the two copies of the weeezer album floating? I think we did, but it's worth doing shit that story. Okay, that's too bad. Where Hella? That's yeah, the fight of who is playing it right. And we chat different versions of the same green album, Hash Pipe, which is unbelievable. Those guys are so freaking weird. Like, okay, sick again. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, the the, the, the weird superpower Combo. That's like when our Captain Planet Style of Weird Musicians we kas and rivers Cuomo. Yeah, yeah, that they kind of sound like a superhero duo from or something. So okay, let's go to hello helicopter. There we go, dumb. So I'm not saying yeah, I'm just trying Chris Thoughts on hello helicopter. Adam, Yep, okay, let you go. It's a good tune. I do it. I guess it's like kind of a political wars. Stone, I think is about climate change. Oh, climate change. Well, yeah, I mean that's my guess. But, but, but, here, but here's what I'm getting at is I like that it whatever it is that he's speaking of, like he's being from the heart about something. But he's not. It's not so on that knows politically. They are like rolling your eyes because he like, regardless of what side of the ile are on. Sometimes, when you know, oh no, musicians get too political, you're like, I don't really care what you're for against is, but just don't be some of my face about it, like yeah, and so, whatever it is, it's like kind of tongue in cheek. And then, yeah, I love when all the homies come in at the end and sing a little bit with him. Yeah, I'm Max and Rachel and Sean, Sean from the matches, matches great band. Yeah, talked about that. How to do? I have not done how to do one of those records. Yeah, I'm with the this is in two thousand and seven. I didn't care as much, maybe, but you know people, the people that are like staying your lane, don't be political. I don't necessarily agree with that. However, like it because everything is become political. Like I just I don't want my entertainment to be because I'm like, no, I'm trying to escape the craze the like. And I like politics and stuff, but like when I'm, I don't know, watching a movie or listening to tunes, I definitely am not like regardless of where it lands, it might even it might be something I agree with, and I'd still be like, I just don't want to like, I'm so tired. But this is yeah, I think this is subtle and not. It's it's obviously somewhat subtle if we don't know exact if you think it's war and I think it's climate change, obviously...

...don't quite have it's not that obvious. So coyle water thoughts on it? Well, I was. I was going to say to that, like, if anything makes sense to me about this dude stressing out and thinking about something politically, climate change makes a lot of sense. You know, I think you guys are right. Climate change is definitely the like. Do you have anxiety? We've got a political thing for you. So totally, like, I can see. I can see him bumming on that. I can't imagine why they close we're all going to die every twelve years. In so since one thousand nine hundred and seventy two or something. So I I love the tone on the lead in the verse. It's kind of it's a different guitar tone. Then then you know what they're playing throughout the rest of the record. A little, little different, kind of Nice vibe to it. And also, yeah, man, I the freaking I love the keys on this song. His voice sounds really nice. When it everything comes down, I like this song and honestly, you know what, the longer we listen are, the longer we go here, the more upset I'm getting at the six out of ten. It's wine believes. A six is a d right, like they said this record is a d yeah, it is. Yeah, and if you give someone as that unacceptable. Yeah, like when, how? Like what? I'm just like what I would like to see. I'm going to look right now what they gave crazy town. Whenever. You should go, well, no, here's the better like you really should look up, like, like what did they give in sugar within? Why? Every episode that was. Yeah, here's what my question is. What, especially in the more genre specific you know, the reviews are accurate. For Crazy town guys. Just want to put that. Okay, they're right on. Okay, they were. They weren't into it. This isn't that a great band. I'll see if you can look up like. Okay, find someone that gave it a six out of ten. See If, while we're playing the next track, you can, like I find I can find some of their stupidity, like fight. Like. What did they review? Well, that came out in two thousand and seven. Okay, that's what I like. That's what I'm specifically wondering now. Two Thousand and seven is kind of a I feel like we were good on the on the odd years. I feel like our biggest I feel like for some reason the like big albums seem to come out in two thousand and five and two thousand and seven, and two thousand and six was kind of a down year. So maybe it was because there was a lot of other really good stuff that came out in two thousand and seven. But I would just love to know what like, because you're right, D is not appropriate for what this record is so far. I don't care. FREAKING Scott at Punk News Dot Org, Scott, you son him again, gave it a two out of five? Well, forty. What did he like that ear? Can you look it up? I'M gonna try, Scott, save that link so I can put in the show notes and we can will start sending will start commenting on it, will send a gang of our listeners to the common or in the big why is this motion city soundtrack review getting traction fourteen years later? Yeah, I, yeah, you're right. Two out of five is is a forty. That's insane. I don't I don't understand how. I didn't find anyone that had like eight out of ten. I'm sure I didn't look that hard, but you got to be kidding me. Okay, so this same dude gives real big fish monkeys for nothing and the chimps for free, which is here's the thing, before anyone gets triggered, I'm a real big fish fan, trigger and this is their worst album and he gave it four stars, or maybe three and a half. But he's a he's a he's a clown. Scott is a clown, as our most music critics maybe, but you're right, that's a clown move. Look, I don't know any you're the first I've ever heard of that record. That's how it's there. It is easily their worst. That is how little it hit the radar. Two Thousand and seven. This guy just doesn't like popular pop music. That's got to be what the explanation is, right, because these are everything. was reviewed hit the lights on their first release. He gave him one star, which is also stupid, brutal one. Come on, he's in, you know, like this guy. He does like bombing in Scott. No, no, is. What did it? He does? Yeah, he doesn't like pop punk because because he gives the suicide machines for stars. And I'm not arguing that, I'm just saying he's one of those others. One of those, though. That's pretty that's pretty on brand for punk news to have the drive in for stars. He's worried about his street cred YEP, freaking Scott. Yeah, I'm anyway, I'm obviously mad about this. Okay, that one. Okay, we got that one right. Okay, so let's go to where I belong. This is where described. So, damn, this is is before...

I forget. I mean part of the reason I picked that clip is, like there's another spot where he right before that chorus comes in on that low bridge. He really amps up the vocal, you know, and kind of goes to that more scratchy, kind of gravelly thing. And again it's like he doesn't do it enough on this record, where every time he does it it feels really special and really ramps you into the next thing really well or serves to show a lot of emotion. I think it's one of the most genius and to think he just did it really out of a practical sense of like, I cannot sing at the top of my lungs all the time when we as much as we tour, and so it comes from a practical sense, but it ends up being a really cool musical thing and emotional thing on the record for him to do the vocals the way it did. So I think it's genius and tip of the hat to him. Chris. What are your thoughts on where I belong? Rick, you know, it's weird. I can't find there's no it doesn't say who produce this. Adam. It's Adam Tang it exact. They miss labeled as they did not give him credit for really stop the guitars. Dam It. All Right, oh, it know they did. It says be too through. Okay, I got it. Okay, I figured it out. Okay, yeah, it is. But, Chris, I'm going to give you this. That one is that one is weird. Okay, so I could see why you thought that way. Kyle. Well, I guess we are. Chris, would you like to tell his thoughts? Other than who produced the drag? Would you like to talk about the track? I thought, yeah, so I thought that Chunky, Fuzzy Guitar Tone. I and you know, I was like, I'm sure rick had something to do with that, but the background vocals made me think I might have been wrong. So drums are just amazing on the song. The clicks on the Ram I love. I love that and there's some s vibes on this album that I really love. The the kind of Outra of the light can't stay and can't stand. It's got this like kind of string thing in the quiet part and then this like rock and bass tone when it comes in. I love it. I'm all about it. Kyle thoughts? So I'm going to say it. I mentioned it earlier. I think we can caught. We can give this one a post chorus credit, right. Yeah, that I can't stand the thought of losing. Yeah, that's definitely put and also that's a very it's got a very fountains of Wayne vibe. To to your point, Chris, the s thing like it. It's that that can't stand. Is Is Super Fountains of Wayne, but post chorus, man, like postcourse, show me another one, because, like that's a pretty rare thing. Dash boards pretty good at it too. Yeah, yeah, yes, crab is pretty solid at a post chorus. I could. I mean considering screaming and fidelities. I mean breath stick has too full. I mean has a whole second course, not even really a posts. But yeah, you're right, it's most people are not going to put the effort into like we should have another hookie part in this song, but because say that for another song a lot of times. Yeah, it's great. I like it. I love the feel of it, especially those verses. It's if I had to like, you know, if someone had never heard this band before, the verse, the verses of this song would be a good like this is what motion city soundtrack sounds like. It is that fair? That's good. That's a what we ask. I like that. Yes, yeah, I dig it. I really like the lyrics in it. Even though it does it, it just feels like you know, him writing kind of stream of consciousness, but I love the whole chaos in the courthouse. Left sides all upset because the RY side once a summer home and knows we can't afford it. I just no idea what he's talking about. I don't know if it means anything, but I like I it paints a picture and I like it and it's fun and I like it. Yeah, and I love that, love that bridge. It's with that piano Rockin Bing, Bing Bing. So Yeah, love it. Like he slamming down on yeah, it was especially that drum part too. It's for really cool drump part. And again, if you know, we were supposed to go see these guys in a couple weeks and due to Omercron, oh my God, ruins everything. Yeah, really, we just like it's going to be gone, it's gonna be over by the time this was supposed to go, but they reschedule it, so hopefully we'll get to go in July instead. I was very much looking forward to seeing them in a couple weeks because they really are one of the best live bands and I'm excited it. But have to wait a few more months for a little road trip for that. But yeah, okay, let's go to point of extinction. I hated cutting that off...

...because I love that part so much. Again, it's impossible to find thirty, thirty five seconds of a song on this record that doesn't leave me wanting something that was right before where I started the clip or right after where I ended, because I really like this next again, what do we call this part of the song? Is it kind of a I can figure out the point of anything. It's it's kind of like it's like a post bridge. Yeah, it kind of is a cow. What are your thoughts on the track? I really dig it. Honestly, I think sonically it's probably the closest to their hit off the prior previous record. Everything is all right, or tell me if your are. Everything's on right? Yeah, everything's all right. I think it's probably the closest. It's a kindred spirit to that one. Are The backgrounds? Is Max one of the background vocals on that? Why? I will find out why you keep talking. Yeah, live research. I'm just curious, but yeah, freaking it freaking rocks. It kind of ramps things up. Yes, it is. It is the same trio of Col Rachel Minton may pass, come back okay. On Hello, helicopter and point of extinction, and then the additional vocals on it had to be you as Rachel and the piano and it had to be used Adam, by the way, and our right be and and Rick played some key I didn't realize rick actually played additional keyboards on calling on cops. Just did. He didn't realize it either. He's just over. They're playing his own music and it's better. Like maybe rolled this. We're talking about that pulsing part. I wonder if that was just saying no, no, it might have been. Could have been. Chris, were your thoughts on point of East are? Were you done? Kyle? Yeah, I mean it's it's great Iraq. Chris Thoughts? Rick? No, Adam, God, damn it. Sorry. You know what, here's the thing. I can tell you're in your head. You were doing so well. Yeah, you got thrown off on the one and that's what did it. I'm upset. No, don't be so, don't be eat. You know, like here's where I was. I was getting. Hey, we get paid hundreds of thousand dollars a year to do this podcast. We're professionals, like I should know this. Stuff like the back better. We are professional broadcasters. Yeah, you're right. You know, I think I think I was wrong back in the day thinking you had thinking there had to be like this, like major coherence on a record if you had two producers on it or that either, or even two mixers or something like that. And the more we get into these records that had multiple producers, are multiple mixers on stuff, the more I realized that, like it, the songs matter more and less, like one of them is poorly recorded. You know, for the most party forget the same band in the same period of time and like, I'm sure that two producers are going to know what's going on with the other one, I assume. You know, I don't know which one came first. I should probably look that up, but you know, you're not going to do something we're just gonna like well, we're not doing like that at all. You realize you're making a cohesive record and I think that proves that it is. And there's not a huge divide between what the two producers did, because you're having trouble picking who did what, you know. So I think that's a good thing. So, yeah, I never knew that the line in the first line was a name, Avelina. So I learned that tonight. Yeah, it's a great, great song, and love the with all my dreams hooked up to hospital machines. That's a gray line. I love it. Kyle Chris, any more thoughts on point of extinction either one of me. It's got that little walk up court progression again on the course that I love it when they do. And the the Chunky, Fuzzy Guitar on this song are like pretty be A. Yeah, kind of, kind of. The guitars are interesting on this album for this band. They took some took some chances. I liked it well and, honestly enough, like the the course. Theres are more sparse kind of than the verses. You know, it's kind...

...of like the NOK and it's kind of a lot of drums and stuff, but I like it's a good one. Oh and the second transformers references here, by the way. I forgot. Wait on cubes. Oh yeah, yeah, multiple and this is wait, this is before, yea, that this is after the first transformers movie comes out and we're all super hyped about transformers again, but the second one hasn't come out yet. Maybe no, we didn't know they were going to get really, really bad now. We were so amped to see that first we got Chris got preview tickets and we were like so amped, like children and talking about a franchise that could have been the best ever. And then they just kept making worse and worse movies. I is, how good? Well, as I say, I watched that movie with the with the Dudes, because they're really into chance. Oh, they probably love it. was like, yeah, it was like watch it for the first time. Yeah, I think, I think I'd yeah, with a kid it's probably a lot more fun. I've noticed there are some movies where I like, I have a lot more lenients for like a movie when I'm watching with my eight and six year old makes more sense. To that point, call, what were you going to say? Well, I mean we we got off on a tangent and I was just going to push it further. The the transformers movies. If you haven't watched it, Bumblebee is super good. Oh, no, bumblebees great. Bumblebees great. Yeah, it is super good and actually I'm really excited about watching that with my girls whenever it's age age appropriate. I don't remember if they're feels authentically like. It feels like someone made it when we were kids. Yeah, you should. You should watch it by yourself, like I don't. I watch it with my kids. I don't. It's there's just a little robot violence, but robot violence is fine. So yeah, yeah, it's so cute, and John Seen Is it who I'd like obsessed with now lately for some reason. freaking good movie. Yeah, okay, yeah, that bumble bee is a good one. You're right, that's a that's a solid one. You did take it deeper. Yeah, we are. We can. Always were always good for a tangent. Okay, let's go to Antonia. Yeah, she's as much to see. She Fed kid up. We're found. Maybe, Kyle Sevens, let's go to you. Thoughts on Antonio? Okay, so really dig this song for for several reasons, but I'll go with the first, since we just heard it, and that is instrumental chorus on the outro. freaking awesome and in like that took a lot of of control. You know what I mean? I yeah, I wouldn't have done it if if I was in the studio and and my buddies were like, man, why don't you just let's just like vibe on the chorus. I'd be like no, yeah, I mean cut that lyric. It's so much better, like when it's like when the little lady grows up, I hope that she will be just like her mother, like that's a better way to end lyrically. I dink sing the chorus again, even though the course is great. I like the chorus, of course is great. It's such it's such a nice thing. It's cold when she's not around. And so the other thing I was going to say is because I know he kicks butt at Writing Songs, I love how simple this song is. It's like I almost feel like he was in the studio and he was like I want to write a song about my my lady, and I'm just going to write down things about her that I like, and and then he sang them and it feels like you kind of know her a little bit, because they're all really quirky things. Nothing, they're none. It's not a generic love song. It is a no, no, like, no, not at almost most songs that are like this are going to be generic enough that, like the the goal is, Oh, I want Pete, this to be relatable and people to feel like. I want to see the things that other people feel about their significant others. So, like, you know, are clapped in wonderful tonight. That's like, that's a good version of like this is like everyone's everyone's felt. All the lyrics are in the song about their significant other and it's a great song and I love it. But this is so specific. It's just as endearing. It's even more endearing because you're like, oh, this Geld, this is only one person. This could be well and it's so quirky, but it doesn't feel gimmicky, not known. I'm all like it just it is. It is a fantastic song. I truly like like reading through the lyrics. It just kind of makes you smile and think, man, this is just really sweet, because what a nice gift for for her because, like you really just really just telling us what he likes about her and not trying to make it rhyme, not trying to make it sound...

...pretty, just stating the facts. And I'm pretty sure you know it. This could be this could be like not true, but the fact that he mentions her shaving her legs with the Ginso knives and mentioned the late night infomercial thing earlier on the record, like it's gotta be real, that that's really what this girl is like. is like ordering the stuff on TV and then shaving your legs with them. Like he could have made it up for all I care, but I want to believe that it's real, like I want to believe that that these are all real things, and I think they probably are, because he seems he seems pretty Dang honest. Chris, what are your thoughts on it? It is a super sweet song, but in a Readit Ama he revealed that it's not just about one person, it's kind of about several people. Oh well, so he but he did. He does kind of went from people want him to play it, because I think it's probably mostly about, you know, his love interest. But he said, I just imagine what kind of things I would want someone to sing to me, the kind of love Song I would want to hear, and the song contains those things about a bunch of people. Okay, well, interesting, which was the first thing that popped in my head was I would love someone write this song about me. It's that's exactly and that those crazy. That's kind of what he was thinking when he wrote it. The sweet song and a lot of good pop culture references. Get any old so masponful child? Yeah, all of them. I love the she misplaced her virginity back in one thousand nine hundred and ninety five. It's a great, great line. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's a sweet song and I like it and and maybe that it didn't ruin it for me, but I did want it to be just about one person. But that's okay, we all hate. Maybe he was just saying that to like walk it back a bit, to throw me off the said. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a wire. He's a good songwriter, but he's a wire. Shut your mouth. Just in Pierre Weird hair. You're lying. Nobody lies on the Internet. Guys ever know everyone. We know. Yeah, love. It's a great song and a good second last song and and and one of the sweeter love songs I feel like you'll hear a really good one. I completely agree. Yeah, okay, well, let's go to the final track. Even bring at home, even if it kills me. Here we go the first also get back on truck takes, even if it gives me. I cheated. I had to change a good that was like three minutes it was fifty. It was worth six seconds. I couldn't, I could not pick thirty seconds. I couldn't do it. It's it's just one of my absolute all time favorite songs. I there's not a bad two seconds of it and and I can't say enough how much I love like I remember being excite about this record. You got to understand that, like I was a big enough dork the even when sometimes I had the opportunity to get an album early in advance, you know, listen to it or whatever, I wouldn't. I would like wait like the end, like going to the store, buying the CD or whatever. It was like something I liked doing and being excited it. And when he sings that last lyric and it's the tie, it's the title track and it's the last lyric and it ends the record with the title of the record, I just I thought I was perfect. I was like, Oh, this is like such a good ending to this record and it's a great song and I love it and I cannot say enough about it. Kyle, you talk about is something now. It's a great song and also, I can't help but piece it together with the bit of information that we got at the end of the last song right like he's having a kid. Yeah, and ends it on that note, no chorus, and then like this song, he's he's trying to get it together and tons of wonderful lines. I love the I'm really not as stubborn as I seem. said the knuckle to the concrete. I love it, and so that is one of my favorite I think of it every time I'm being stubborn. Yeah, well,...

...and and once I like, I know it and I'm just like that it's a thing. I would send it out. I don't know. I just feel like that's I'm the same way. Sometimes it's like I'm not stubborn, but I'm like yeah, yeah, guess you are, but but my wife things stuck the landing hard on this one. I also love how it ends with the title, and I love it. It's great kicks, but yeah, Gosh, it's so good. Chris, what are your what are your thoughts? We talked a lot of crap on bands for any records. Wrong they did. These guys did not do that. This is how you and a record. Big Epic Buildups, like the whole the song kind of builds up. Cole mention that. I think you briefly touched on on how they build up these songs really well on the beginning of this and this one definitely does that. And just Oh, by the way, Antonia, Adam, Oh, I forgot to look. Yeah, we forgot to guess. Oh, yeah, yes, Oh, yes, yes, okay, okay, and then this one is right. Yes, is Rick, you redeemed yourself. Closed it out. I'll close it out. Yeah, Rick, you the bridge at the the car's bridge. Yep, it is a car's bridge, right, like, yeah, just like, Hey, let's do a cars bridge, booty. Yeah, it sounds like the cars, which is great. I love the cars. Cars, great band, you know, and the soft ending that Blake so eloquently I had to blessed us with. Let me and I just recorded lay, lay, but yeah, no, but you made two choices. One, you picked an awesome clip and to you made the choice to possibly get sued so that we could hear that. I think we're still under fair use. TURNEY's out. We we want you to know that mean Kyle had nothing, nothing to do to do with the clip selection, nothing to do. We barely know Blake. He's just a guy that we talked you on the Internet he doesn't share a birthday with us, for sure. Please so drag us into any dirty business. We had nothing to do with it. Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean it's the again. This is maybe the perfect example of the vocal thing I've talked about a few times on this like that's why I really wanted to get that. Sad truth in matter is I'll never get over it, but I'm going to try. I just I think it's his the motion is voice that we get for, you know, I don't know, third or fourth time on this record. I mean, like, I'm not saying he doesn't have a motion is voice it, but like he get he gets up there and I don't want to call cracking, but like the way he said, I mean that was the perfect take. I don't know if they merged several takes or whatever, but it is sounds like I just is so good and and it makes the whole that emotion at this point. It makes the build of this song, as you mentioned, Kyle, so good because this song starts off. I remember when they release this as a single, I was kind of surprised because I when I think of this song, I think about the beginning and the ending oddly enough, and I think of how it feels and I'm like, well, that doesn't sound like emotion city single. The I forget that. Like the chorus is pretty boppy and stuff. It's it's upbeat and happy and stuff like that, and it's such a good way to into it or in the record. This song alone is worth better than a six out of ten or a two out of five or whatever these lame scores they were given this record. I think that they should have been on top of the world with this record. I think it's one of the best ones that came out in two thousand and seven. It's one of my favorite records and this song certainly is one of my favorites. Freakin Scott at Punk News Dot Org. Yeah, Nice Idiot. Hope your he's not a he's not a good person. You know that's obvious. What if he's like the nicest guy? I can't believe it. Hey, guys, I'm not kidding. In Scott's profile pig he seems totally nice and he's got this you got this corky dog with them like Scott looks like it's probably good. Hang but I definitely don't want him to tell me what he thinks about music. Yeah, yeah, we talk about other we you know, we should do like idea, I think you it would maybe be a fun segment for this show is to find, like, first of all, play just a little bit further in advance, get to find one of these bad reviewers and get a hold of the differing your stance, defing your stance or tell me you were wrong. Yeah, like, tell us you were wrong, because that's a good idea. That's a good idea we should and then probably have better luck with these reviewers than the artist. Kidding, they're probably going to be like, listen, I got paid ten dollars per visor. Was Thirty at PM. It was due at midnight. I large at my boss. are kind of good in yeah, Dick. So I hated it. Yeah, I had already done for nine star albums that day, so I felt like one had to be bad, otherwise I was gonna think I liked everything. Sorry, guys, it must be something like that, because I feel I just kind of feel like that's where we're at with some of the stuff. Okay, he's wrong. Yeah, let's go to lasting impressions. Unless anyone has any...

...other notes that they want to talk about for it, for any of the tracks or the last track. You're good. I'm good. Okay, let's do it. Does it hold up? Yeah, Chris, you first. Yeah, Dude. Yeah, I mean it's great. It's it's one of those where this happens to me often. We listed to one of these albums for just for the purpose of the podcast and after revisiting it, I find myself, you know, playing it in the car like well passed. Yeah, when we actually do the recording and putting yea songs on my playlist. I have quarterly playlist that I just try to like add stuff too, so I can keep it keep it spicy. And Yeah, I got a few on the old playlist. Now definitely holds up. Yeah, I think so for sure. I think it's definitely a good record. I've got it on vinyl, so I don't buy records on vinyl that don't hold up. Kyle same I got the vinyl and I mean I don't. I really, I really don't even need to talk about it. It's it rocks. Anybody that doesn't think so is wrong. It's a fact. HMM, that's fair. Okay, this is where I think we're going to have different opinions. Is it their best album? Let's start with Chris. No. I. Well, I'm not a good, good reference point of this when, like I said, I hadn't really taken a heartlest this album like till a lot later. And my my favorite motion city soundtrack album is the ones you guys hate. Is the one you hate the most? Is it? My names were wised and it's nostalgia for me. I just really like that record. It was just a really happy tie of my life. So okay, well, I told you controversial. What about you? Right past? No, I mean, listen, it's may be controversial, but also I really don't think that they have a stinker, so that's pretty rare for bands. So I don't think it's their best. It's so, so good. But I am such a big fan of go, like such a freaking awesome record, dude. But like this is I mean, if I'm ranking motion city soundtrack records, and maybe that's why you know dinosaur, my dinosaur life is is kind of a shocker because I feel like all of them are pretty even and then that one I like just a little bit less. But it's that record sounds incredible and it will always hold a special place in my heart for him calling out Jay Leno on Conan. So yeah, that was such a great I was awesome. That was one of my favorite things ever. But I it doesn't redeem that from me. I think this is my favorite of thereist that like so they they put a really good records and commit this to memory. Is Great, but I think what it basically blowls down to is there's like one or two tracks on commit this to memory where I'm more like I could, I could take them, relieve them, and this one is less so like that for me. Really, I don't so because I don't know that we'll ever get to it because it's fairly it's considerably newer. I do want to know what you thought of Gobl. I love go. Okay, I think, and I think we will do go at some point, because I think it's we will. I think people should know about it. That's one of those we do where we go. I think not enough people knew about it and really need to be forced to listen to it. Other greats to as if we're forcing people to listen to this podcast, but it's not. It is a good record and and I like their their last one to what's it called? Their their final falling the Besh. I just see the cover and shit, I see the cover. Yeah, it's I think they can my dais are alive. I don't hate or anything. It's just my least favorite of their's because the bar is so high and that's probably unfair. But panic stations, that's that's the last nic station. Yeah, that's it, and it's really good to really go and painting stations. I know we're probably less successful, but they're they're really really good records and some of my favorite motion city songs are on go actually, I think. But this song, I mean this this record, I think. I think it has to be my favorite. I think it's their best, which is why it shocks me that it got six out of tens and two out of fives and stuff, which is why you shouldn't listen to critics, I guess, because it makes me mad for them, because I feel like that was probably you know, you do pay attention to that, and I think that probably bums you out that you make a record with like probably to your idols, and one of them was kind of weird experience anyway, and then you start getting these weird...

...reviews, and stuff and I don't know, I can see why that would be a downer, but I think it's fantastic. Okay, is it their most important album, kyle? I mean, I think so. I don't know, I don't have the I don't remember what commit this to memory did, but, like, I think this is what really got people talking about motion city soundtrack. And I could be wrong, but I mean I think my dinosaur of life was the big budget follow up that just didn't didn't do what they thought it would do, and so I think it is their most they're their most important just because, because the I think this is what showed the introduced the world, to our most of the world to motion city soundtrack. It's what got them a bigger budget, got them on, got them on freaking Conan on the last night. I mean, yeah, that's that's a pretty big deal. That's pretty big. Bragg last matter last week. Last week is last week, but still that's pretty impressive. Yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right. I mean it's pretty close between this and commit this to memory for me, because they were both pretty important. Commit this memory certainly got them a lot more fans and then therefore got them in front of a lot of more. You know, they were on tour like Blinkwae to and stuff around this time. They were on some pretty big tours, but you know, pre is album coming out. It's not like they were playing arenas by themselves or something. I think they were playing a couple like shows with like nine thousand people, which is pretty impressive. But yeah, I think they should have been the poster child's of of EMO and they're not. Like I think, you know, anytime you see these retro articles about emo music or the best stuff from that time, I feel like they're not the poster child for it. You know, it's always like panic of the disco follow boy things like that or some other look, because these guys can quite fit that the any of the esthetics either of it not, none of them. I mean maybe a little bit, but I don't know. I think it's good. So okay. or it's desert island songs, two or three of your favorites. Good luck. Let's go first. It's so hard. I'll go. Okay, it's going to be kind of weird, but I think I'm going, even if it kills me and Tonia, just because we just love that song so much. And I think I'm going last night. That's good, solid picks. Chris. What are your three? Last night? Can't finish what you started, even if it kills me. Noise. Yeah, I'm definitely last night and even if it kills me, we are all on the same page. They're on the third one, I think I might go. I think I might go point of extinction. HMM, I think I'll go there, but I also I'm with you, Chris, on I do love. Can't finish what you started. I think I might go point of extension. Point of extinction, I mean rather so. What about nobody's perfect? Is there a worst song on this record? God, I didn't hear it. If there is, it was. I mean I always think about that as I'm really listening. There's just not one. On the high I'm not taking anything, I mean I think, yeah, I don't know what either. No, yeah, I did. Might have all cops. Is the closest to filler. I. Yeah, I say the same thing. Yeah, I would feel. I feel like it's hell of helicopter for me. Oh, I think it's just because we are we just had the conversation, like the real chill middle of the record break. Yeah, and it kind of feels too soon to have this hell of helicopter. Is Not as chill, but it is more down and a little more minory and it feels more throw away to me. Okay, other ones. For me, I can see that. I thought that. I think that song gets revived by the guest stars and away. Yeah, and it's not. Yeah, I get, I give it's not bad. It's not like but I mean it would be. It's my least favorite on the record, but the competition is stiff for at the top. So it's not not really fair when you've got so many good songs on a record. What about growing on a show? Or what's the song? Maybe didn't like it first, but now either one. Whoever wants to go first, let you chose. You know. If if I'm being honest, probably Antonia, because it is so unique and there it stands out right like yes, as being a nonconventional love song, but it didn't take long for it to grow. Like I was, I was, yeah, into it, but like at first it...

...was like, Whoa, what is going on here? This isn't how he writes songs and this isn't a normal love song, but I love it. You have one Chris. You know, for me I think, Gosh, I have to say it wasn't. It's not Antonio, although I I kind of felt the same way about it. But, like I said earlier, the song last night I already loved. But once I kind of heard that a mental thing too, I you know, it kind of took a new life for me too. So it's but it was never not a grower. So yeah, I don't really have an answer for this one. I think mine might be the conversation, because I think I probably skipped it back in the day just because it was so chill and that wasn't the vibe I was going for the time. But actually think it's a really good song and it's great placement on the record and I wouldn't I would kick it off now like so it was probably one I did not give as much of a chance or pay as much attention to, also because it's simple. It's just piano vocals and and I think I probably just was like not, it doesn't have all the other things that motion city songs make me go, like turn my head and go, Oh gosh, that's a great part. Oh, and then they come up another great part and then you know. So it's simpler and I probably just didn't take note of it as much. So that would be mine. Well, I guess that's it. That's that's us. We have. We've accomplished all the things that we wanted to talk about on this record. Definitely objectively, better than a six out of ten or two out of five. If you are not familiar with this one, please give it a spin or go by the vinyl or something and the motion city soundtrack. Going back on to her, I got canceled there. They're doing commit this to memory, I think, for the what was supposed to be a fifteen year anniversary and now is turned into a seventeen the year anniversary, if that coming out, as covid keeps derailing their plans. I am excited to see this band again because it's been a long time. I did not get to see them on their on their kind of last final tour or sort of hiatus to her. It was so good. We were as one of the best shows I've ever seen. Yeah, we you. You got to see him, Chris, because they were in Oaklima city the night we were playing Tweezer, and so we didn't get to go see him here, but then, because you live in an Austin, you caught him like a couple days later or whatever, and I'm jealous because I would have liked to see that. But I'm I'm glad that we're going to get to go see them in July. Hi. Yeah, I remember whispering to my buddy we well, you know, can run. I whispered to him. I was like, I can't wait till these guys need another pool for their house. Yeah, yes, we're gonna do this again in a few years, I know it. Yeah, but they're coming back. I'm very excited about it. Anyway, thanks for listening again. If you like what you here, please consider giving us a glowing review on itunes and subscribe on any of the platforms you listen on. We've noticed a couple of people. We see some analytics for this kind of stuff. Some of you listen on the IPADS. I didn't know that's that's seems like go I'm glad. Please tell us what your kind of is. That in your pocket? Jinks, curious how you listening? Goes Your Cat Pants? Yeah, maybe I don't know. And so you know, whatever device or platform you can subscribe to these just show up convenient every two weeks, now that we're kind of back in the pattern. None of us are sick or houses are on fire, and you can send us your comments you're disagreement, your suggestions to input. Finding you a podcom or find us on any of the social media at finding Emoi pod. That's it for us. We will catch you next time.

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