Finding Emo
Finding Emo

Episode 46 · 3 months ago

Ep046 - All Killer No Filler by Sum 41

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We'd honestly forgotten about this record, which is a shame because it holds up much better than a lot of the other pop-punk released around the same time. We miiiiiight have issues with the opening and closing tracks, though. Maybe. 

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Welcome to find an Emoi, our podcast where we discussed our favorite albums from early oughts and thereabouts. I'm Blake Fisher, joined by Chris Mounier and Kyle Simmons, and today we are talking about some ones debut album, right, kyle? Yeah, that's their first album, right, yeah, debut album. All kill a no Philla. And Kyle's gonna tell us about the album because he did the quote unquote, research for it. Tells about Kyle. What is up, my dudes? Okay, so I'm just going to hit the hit the good stuff for you real quick. Some fun facts. So this came out may eight, two thousand and one, way back in the day. It was produced by Jerry Finn, which I don't know how, but I didn't know that until until pretty much we decided to tell right now, and it makes a lot of sense. The record sounds great, perfect sense. One thing before, like we get into all this, I do want to say that I think that this is I mentioned this to blake off off microphone, but yeah, off Pod, which we almost never do, when we know, almost never. Yeah, that's true. We hate each other real life, but it's really fun that we're doing this one after good Charlotte, because it's like a tale of two records. Yeah, like same genre, you know, rapid fan bases, and I just think, I think that these guys made a better record, but we'll get into that later. So great thing about this record freaking thirty two minutes long, which is crazy because before this they did put out an EP called half hour of power, and it's like okay, so now you put out an album that's two minutes longer than a half hour anyway. So they recorded it with Jerry Finn and Derek Whiley said that going into this that Rantid elvacs, Elvis Costello, the Beatles and Pennywise, and also, of course, Green Day, were big influences on him. At the time, absolute punk described the album as the album your parents don't want you to discover at age eleven, when you're just starting to think about that school is bullshit and the only thing that really matters is ridiculously cute girls who honestly treat you like Shit. The lyrics are broad enough that everyone can relate to them, but specific enough that each song makes you think of a certain person or situation in your life and and I agree with that. I actually think that's pretty well said. Vague would put that in the good review column. Well, and and I think absolutely so. You know, I didn't pull up a bad review, but this album wasn't reviewed well at first and to defend, I think, where we will go with this podcast it. It has been looked upon back upon fondly. So people have corrected their their earlier opinions on this record, I think. You know, as often happens. Well, we're we're talking two thousand and one. I think a lot of people thought flash in the PAN, you know what I mean, like this is just another pop punk band and and I think especially because of the way they came onto the scene with that lip. That's the first single released in April of two thousand and one and definitely not a good representation of what the rested of the record sounds like and also not quite like anything else at the time. So I I think it was a brilliant move at getting people's attention. Pop punk was already big, but like it was definitely, you know, it was special. It was it was unique. So it was released on March eighth, ended up going almost double platinum, which pretty awesome. It went it went to it went. It went platinum in Canada, but like, don't get excited about that as like fiftyzero records. Yeah, like, I like that. Every different countries have these different levels of what they called platinum. I remember, I remember learning that because it's like some one, someone had posted that they went platinum in Canada and I was like wow, looked it up. It may not be Fiftyzero. Maybe one of you guys could research it for me, but it's it's way less than a million. Yeah, yeah, there's so there's several people that have like they have lower stallarle they call. Yeah, like a fewer people, to be fair. Yeah, that's true. You know, joise. And so, like I was going to say, just to give you an idea, entertainment weekly gave it a c plus. Rolling Stone...

...gave it three, which, I mean, all things considered, that's a pretty solid review from rolling stone. They do five right, yeah, they do five stars as five stars. But Rolling Stone then kind of redacted that and went back and said, hey, this is this is one of the fifty one most essential pop punk albums of all time, and it was listed at number thirty four on the thirty six pop punk albums that you need to hear before you effing die list. Okay, yeah, so certified plowers. I don't trust anything rolling stone says, but whatever. No, no, but but I mean it says that it had not great reviews, but I mean for rolling stone, three stars not so bad. It's not bad. Anyway. I'll cut, I'll killer. No filler was among the top twenty best selling albums by Canadian bands in Canada of all time. And and I don't know if you guys, I'm probably going to say this wrong because I don't really follow the band, but I because I remember their disgusting album covers. The punk band. I'm going to call them GOB is that wrong? Oh yeah, that's a huge Canadian. It is a huge Canadian band, plump band, and it just it was for whatever, like whatever reason, whatever kind of pop punk they were playing, maybe it was because their gross covers. I was like no, I'm not listen to this. So, yeah, it wasn't my style, for sure. Yeah, and I would call it job now after arrested development. Yeah, totally. But yeah, that these these guys were big fans and actually supported them and then became way picker. So yeah, the as happens a lot of times in those kind of situations and and Derek whibbly goes on to you know, Mary Avril Levine. That's pretty cool. Yeah, we've found a we've had when we normally don't delve a lot into the personal lives. We should like a few episodes in a row where some celebrity couple matching going on between. You mentioned good Charlott a bit ago and we mentioned in that episodes they're both married to famous ladies and he will ever leavin and then she left him for the dude from nickel back left and PA, Chad Kroger, which, by the way, the best. The best version of US bringing up nickel back on this podcast is that he got freaking dumped for that dude. That's that would be the ultimate like nickel back joke at the expense of him. Also, I think it explains a lot about his his struggles, getting left for freaking Chad Kroger. Oh, that would do it. That would do a number on you. I was going to tell you, guys, I didn't know this, but Tommy Lee plays a drums on it's what we're all about. That's I had no idea. Yeah, that is a pretty cool thing. It now. He'd you get for them? Now? The thing is it doesn't mean anything to us because that's like a Japanese that's like a a special track on the Japanese release and we're not going to get into that. But Tommy Lee played on their record, so that's pretty cool. was that the songs on the Spider Man Soundtrack? Good question, I don't know. Okay, maybe well, to look that up, all research and put that in the notes. It's like a subtrack of the album since it's on the Japanese import, right, it kind of counts. Yeah, CHECK ABOUT SPIDERMAN TO I don't know what the timing but one of the spider man's is spider man a thousand one. Yes, that'd be the first one, Pre Garfield, I know that. The second one was the one with all the emo bands on it, though I mean a little. It landed like yellow card taking back Sunday. Okay, so that would last. So that one would line up, probably, but who knows? The Internet. Probably does Internet. Yep, they don't know. The Internet knows anything else, Kyle? Any other fun tidbits about it? I assume this is one of those with light information about it because, yeah, I mean you know a lot of in remation about people's first records. Yeah, there's not a lot and, honestly, like anything else that I know about them, I think we can talk about in it's not necessarily facts, but you know, maybe first impressions. Yeah, sounds good. Okay, we let's go to first impressions then. So, Chris, let's go to you first. Let's your first impressions of the record, way back in two thousand and one, when you were like nineteen years old. Yeah, you know, I probably just like everybody else. I think I heard the you know, the lead single, which was fat lip, and it was really cool and really punk, and Ampliquay to had already kind of exploded, but that, like the the second wave, hadn't really was just just coming in to shore. Clumsy Metaphor, pardon it's okay, we'll allow it. Wave was crashing into my heart. No, but there were a million pop punk bands into starting. Yeah, right, yeah, but this was just I feel like you were the first, like maybe them a new found glory which just like the first ones out of the gate.

So I I don't think I ever picked up the album. I think a friend of mine gave it to me, and I mean I was still it once or twice. I don't think it was my cup of tea, like I was like super into it, but I absolutely loved the singles off of it and I thought they were a great band. Kyl What about you first impressions? You know, I'm a little bit in the same boat. But one thing that I was going to say is I was a die hard seen kid at heart. Maybe I wasn't like, you know, Super Fan girling, but like back then you could get a dv like these bands would release DVD's that, oh my God, and and and I totally bought the Sun Forty one dvd and honestly, it kind of ruined it for me, like I was way too straight edge of a kid to get into this band. These dudes were partiers and like big, I mean like that was their thing. They they wanted to party and play rock and roll. And now, as an adult, like I look back and I'm like band, you know what, because I believe these dudes are close to our age. So as an adult I'm like, you know what, good for them. They they freaking car paid the DM but at the time carved out a niche for themselves to it. They say it, and you know I mean obviously, I think. I think Derek has struggled with addiction after that. So, like, you know, maybe maybe he wouldn't look back fondly at it, but like I definitely look back more fondly on on this now that I did then. I was I was just too straight edge man. I didn't do anything, and so it was like it was off putting for me to see a band come up on the scene so quick and I when I was younger, and and wrongly so, I equated that kind of behavior with people not being serious about their raft. And really, for all we know, it mean. Actually, I don't think it's much speculation to say that it was part of their stick, you know, it was part of what they were selling. It death, definitely. So I liked it. Initially I really thought fat lip was cool. I bought the DVD and saw like how hard these twothes partied and I was like no, this is not this is not the band for me. I listened to the album. I thought it was good, but it was it wasn't anything that, it wasn't anything that, like, I don't know, it wasn't blink one hundred and eighty two. It wasn't. It wasn't anything like that, even though it sold two million copies and I was one of them. It just wasn't anything. I was over them before I was super into them, just because of the party lifestyle. So and and that boring of me. I liked it a lot. It was kind of weird because you guys liked punk stuff before I did, for sure, because really just just based on just the slight bit of younger that I am to you guys, you know, like I liked Green Day, but I didn't have dukey myself because that came out when I was in fourth grade. I think I was a funny scene. No, I mean yeah, I did. I didn't have dukey myself, but you know I'd heard it because all my friends had it and you know, I liked it, but it what it didn't like? Blinklant is the first thing that like grabbed me and kind of after that I kind of all in on it. And so, like really anything that someone recommended I was kind of all in on, and so this would be one of them that I really liked, this first record, and it's probably because, like I was in the same boat Ashoo Kyle, like the party thing. But again, I don't care that much about lyrics a lot of the time. So it just these are really good melodies and good songs and and I thought they were unique and stuff and I kind of forgot how big they were until I was like listening this record again, going like oh my gosh, yeah, this was a huge single. And I like when you said double platinum, that still shocked me a second ago, or almost double platinum, you know, because I was like, Oh yeah, I forgot that. Like it was like at the at the start of that wave. I mean it was, you know, some forty one and and you found glory and blank Waey to and I mean lots of other bands could charlotte all that kind of stuff. And Yeah, but I really liked it. And what's weird is that it just I didn't I don't know if I didn't like their second record or what changed, but like I literally didn't think about this record until you picked it, Kyle, for this episode, which is weird because I was listening to it again I really liked it. So, you know, my first impressions were I really I dug it. I definitely rocked it in the old ninety Corolla a lot back in two thousand and one and with the windows down, the Rock Down Roll style, which my daughter now laughs at anytime we were watching a movie and like someone has to crank a window down. She thinks that's so funny.

It doesn't automatically roll down because she's never seen a car that has a crank, that cars, not a robot. Yeah, so, which is funny because if we were watching Bumblebee, that's actually what great movie she was laughing at it in. So yeah, so I liked it. I mean I think that it's got the right amount of production. I it sounds like a four piece band playing. It doesn't feel overproduced, it doesn't feel underproduced. It's like just the right about, which Jerry Finn is really good at. So it doesn't surprise me that when you said he produced them like, Yep, that that follows. That makes all the all the sense in the world. So I was going to say something. I have a theory, guys, and maybe we could add a picture in the show notes. But their bass player, which they you know. I think everyone in the band had nicknames except for Dairy Derek whibbly. But they're bass player Jason mccaslan went by cone, and if you look at pictures of cone, I'm not so sure that he didn't grow up to be machine gun Kelly putting out pop song records. Wow, that is dead on, Dude. Like, okay, we will make Chris, you got a photoshop that so we can throw it in the in the show notes. Just give me, get a give me an image of them side by side, because I literally don't know what the basis from some forty one looks. I mean it looks like machine Ben Kelly Sing and Kelly looks like making a Fox's hot husband. Yeah, we're really loop and transformers and in some forty one together in this episode. Apparently that's right. When me we hit on something like that, we usually hit ring that bell a few times. Well, I guess if you'll know anything else to talk about first impressions, let's jump to track by track, if that works for you all. You know, normally I thought about skipping the intro because it's not musical at all, but we'll play it anyway. So here's truck one, which is introduction to destruction. Cool title. Children of the beast embrace, to scorn and hate the human race. Consume the light that hugs the earth and aid the womb in giving birth to a group that will appear and guide you through this final year. The Dog Calmi's then will come when the song. I mean you guys are going to know my opinion on this. This got skipped every single time I put this in because, like there's nothing I hate more that I spoken word intro track. Like there's never they've never held my interest. Some of my favorite records ever have them and I hate him and I hate it and I skip it every time and this would be one of them too. Chris, what? What's your opinion? Same? I mean, it gives me like Vincent Price Thriller Vibes and I kind of like the homage. But yeah, that's not yeah, the different there's that is in the well, I guess he does an Intro to, but either way, that was I don't know, it just felt really sticky to me. But where you at, Kyle? Guys, I strongly disagree. This totally got me pumped as a statement, as a child, as a child of the beast, I was just like super hyped and it gets me. It gets me jacked every time. Now. I still thought, oh, sorry, go ahead. I'm in the UPT because they now. Now I think it's stupid. I skip it every time. Yeah, it's not. It's just like, okay, guys, it's not musical. If there was something musical to it, maybe, but he's just Beas just howling wind with him speaking, and it's like it's too it's too kitchy. Yep, it's like, I don't know, I just I feel like anytime it's like we're so we're so cool and scary, it's like, are you though? I don't know, I just I feel like yeah, so, anyway, that's that's unanimous decision on track one. We don't like it, row, we did play it. We did play it just I bet. I feel like it was a poor choice. We did it for the children of the beast, guys. Yeah, right, yeah, know, they're they're here for it. Okay, let's go to track to then, the true opening track of the of the record. Nothing on my back was to bring me down, but it's about to crunch. Whose what I talk could not be foundrist I can bring me down about up, Kyle, you pick the clips for it on this episode, so why don't you go first? I Will Joe First. And back. So, spoiler alert. Listening to this again has got me super into this record and I think it sounds great for one,...

...but some forty one. They're kind of the kings of the low, the low chorus later on, you know what I mean, like bring it down, go back to the chorus and then start rocking out again. So I think that this is a great song. It's just fun. Like the fact that I'm is there even a song longer than three minutes on this record? There might be one. I mean it's probably the yeah, still, that's it's just crazy. Everything Super Short. I have always thought it is better to leave people wanting more than to be than to be tired and bored. And I mean they all killer. No filler, man. They start off strong, aside from the INTRO. I would argue that that is some Filler, a thousand, a thousand percent. And by the way, this one's three hundred and one and there are two other tracks that are longer than records. Well, just for your for your record there, Chris. What are your thoughts on the I'm going to call it this the first track, it's first song. I mean Greater d introductions to the drummer and how the drums and drums, guitar, melody and everything syncopated really well like that. Dun Dun, Dun Du Dunda did that, the up and down thing. I love it. Harmonies, it's yeah, it's great, great, great, and then that I mentioned these act same thing you did birthday buddy, the how he gets really like brings the course down and then, you know, way up at the end. God, yeah, it's a great tune, great to yeah, and I you can totally hear, I mean the obvious green day influence on this band. But what's cool about it, in my opinion, is that what kind of Pop punk and Punk Rock in general we and we've talked about this before, but like I never liked the stuff that was like crappy for the sake of like we're crappy punk rock just because it's like, I don't know, it's fine for that to be your thing, but like these guys are good players and green days really good musicians, and so to try to be like them is not easy. But I mean that whole kind of breakdown is very much a green day a kind of style thing that they think, at least pop pople realized, you know, a lot and but I like it and it doesn't. I'm not like, Oh, they're ripping them off. It's but it's hard to do. We, Chris and I are weeezer cover band, play this past weekend and we played with a Green Day cover band and I was like those guys had to practice a lot more than we did. Put it that way, the chops of specific I mean not that the guitar parts aren't hard, but man, the bass parts and the drum parts that they're doing are so technical that you you better, you better be confident about that to to go play that anywhere. So I like this. Yeah, and I kind of forgot about how good they were and that's a great song. So I think also, like it's kind of weird because I gave you my first impression, but I kind of have a new impression and and yeah, I will do lasting impressions later, but like, I had a second first impression and I think that this band is really good at at taking elements of clearly music that they love and incorporated, incorporating it into their songs. They do it with hair metal, they do it with Green Day, they do it with a few others. I think that will be able to, like there's a few tracks of specifically I wrote down bands that I have no doubts. Oh yeah, ever, like we want it to sound like this and and, just like you're saying with the Green Day thing, it's not easy to do that and it and pull it off. Well, you know what I mean, like it's I typically it sounds like someone who's just who's just a second rate version of that band. Or yeah, they're not skilled enough to do it. And so I'm actually really impressed and I think they do a good job of kind of like and I think they become themselves on the next record, but this is a really fun listen to, like them becoming a great band. I think so. Yeah, and it's always great when it's you, it's different bands. It's boring if, like, track by track on this right, it's the same band over now, if every song on this record sounded like Green Day, you just go like well, these guys are just Green Day ripoffs, right. But because there's all these other bands, you think of as you get two different tracks, you know, and I'm sure that we have some of the same ones in mind, like get there. But yeah, it's it that makes an interesting I love to know what people's influences are, because to me that makes things interesting. It's like it's cool like that. You...

...are. Anyone that claims they're completely original is so full of it and it's just like you know you have influences. I kind of appreciate the like wearing your influences on your sleeve in this regard. Of like, I don't think that they would try to pretend that they didn't like Green Day right. There's nothing worse than when someone's like, I've never heard of that band that, like you, so clearly we're influenced by, just to try to feel original or something, and I don't feel like these guys were doing that. So okay, let's go to never wake up, track three, Kyle. What are your thoughts? Well, we almost got the whole song in. We almost did, and which is pretty funk rock. We were like ten seconds short. Yeah, I actually wondered if you would, if you would hang it over, but that's fine, man. I think it's great. I Love Punk Rock and you know, I don't know if you guys remember, but I said that Derek Whibbley he listed his influence on the right this record and one of them was pennywise and I think that they showed that influence on this song. Like this was this was a little you know, this is a little heavier side than your green days. So yeah, I like it. Pumps me up. Man. I'm all in for like a forty five second double time punk rock song. I don't know that I would want two and a half minutes of this pace. Like I think that might be too much for me and there's kind of a fine line for my personal taste. But I love this. I'm all in on forty five seconds of just like balls to the wall, literally not a break from the action and school song. I like it. Chris, what are your thoughts? See, I said bad religion, but not you said pennywise. I I hear it. I do know those. Bad religion is totally fine. The only reason I said pennywise is because he stated that that was a big influence on this record. Yeah, I just mean you hear they're they're like more punk influence, less pop pocket. Yeah, this one, but that. Yeah, the Os and Oz just reminded me total those of those style of bands and I actually got me really nostalgic because, like s Chris, was always Jamie bands would course, would just have who's and Os just dripping throughout every chorus and verse. Yeah, Dude, what a bang or two. The songs just beat you up. I love it. You can like picture the Mashpet, Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah, the circle fit. I mean you like just like getting punched. Yeah, for sure, people are getting punched, which I just garantee. I always feel like there's no way the label didn't want them to put fat lip as like that in the place of that track, and I feel like this was the middle finger to them. Everything else, guys. Yeah, there's no way that. This wasn't like a no, we're going to put this forty five second track and then we're going to put the single which, speaking of fear, it is track for fat lip, first single on the record. June. Chris Bonnier, your are drumming, so tell us your thoughts on fat lip. I always love this song. I love the Great Guitar Work, I love the great pre chorus into the chorus. Each element is song is so great. The groove for the introverse, the guitar rists it's absolutely great tune that. There's a few lyrics that stand out too, but he's got kind of a unique rhyming style. Casually like we does, casualty of society, and victim of performity like he does, those like fast paced rhymes like that. And and the bridge is great to I just I love the song so much. This is one of the all time great pop punk songs, isn't it? Yeah, I'd kind of, like I said, I kind of forgotten about it, but either is really good. I mean they're yeah, the guitar, all the guitar hooks in it, or awesome. And Yep, the drums go into that halftime. Don't, don't, Dadda DA. It's just a cool feel to it. And you know, Kyle, what's the band you were going to say for this one? Oh, I don't know. I mean I don't have a well, obviously there's some beastie boys influence. That's what I...

...was saying. Obvious Beastie boys influence, which is Great. Again, like it. It's so clearly beastie boys, but like it's one song. They don't do this over and over again. They've got like hey, let's do it Beastie boys thing on this song. I think that's really cool because the BESC boys are totally unique and you can't replicate it, but you can like do an homage, and this feels like that. That's that's the word, man. It's a homage, and that's what makes all the difference. Like these dudes are are paying homage like with this song and adding their twist with the chorus, pre chorus thing. You you mentioned the Guitar Parts Blake, like that's the one thing that bump me out about the clip on this one is you couldn't get all the cool variations of the way they play that. Like, yeah, I love the fun, the fun lead during the verse, during Aaron Inner, like it's, yeah, freaking awesome. And even just the main that the intro part, and I love the halftime at the end. I'm a sucker for that freaking awesome song. Oh and because I think, I think you said some of the words stuck out to you. I think maybe you're thinking of the just the sweet lyric the doctor said your mom should have had an abortion ration and that holishit could. Yeah, ortion ortion. I will say that's my least favorite part of this song, because I'm like Ringie, dude, it real cringey and the and the delay on the vocal is kind of the the echo is kind of like, Oh, Guy, feels a little bit like guys. Politics aside, that is a mean thing to say this. Well, but he says it about himself. To I'm at least it's selfdepreciating. Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's a little bit like that. One feels dumb. I remember the part in the video to like because he's just like playing. Yeah, the drummers drappen and he just says it and they're like, oh what, Oho, okay, a Rdy, that's right. But show me a white guy in two thousand and one that in high school that didn't know every lyric to this song. You know what I mean? Like I can't like if you liked even punk rock a little bit, like even if you didn't have this album, you knew this all it was. It was big time. Yeah, it's good, good, tune, good, first thing. Well, knew. We even mentioned the bridge. Is Great. Yeah, no, every everything, every piece of this song as magic masterpiece. It really is. I mean there's not. I mean other than the delay, vocal on Bortion, portion, portion is, is, you know, not great, but other than that they tried to make it not a masterpiece. Or do you feel at the some of the labels like Oh hey, guys, we have one no about us, about this wonderful armn it. You guys are really cool. There's like let's skip ahead, skip ahead, skiphad, okay, this right right here, right here. Yeah, what well were doing, are we? We tight, it looks and to be to be fair, it's not just the abortion part, it's really all the words that come before. Yeah, it's really that also don't work. Songs of the story hard to rhyme with. Yeah, yeah, it just the whole back half. That little part doesn't work. Chris, I think you're alluding to this, like it's he shows his hand. Clearly he wanted to say the abortion line and then he had to back right, you know what I mean? Like he had a back rhyme and and those never flow the same. So you can tell it. No, so much of the rest of it works, and then that that line just does not do it for me. So anyway, let's go to rhythms. Here we got, Kyle, let's go to you rhythms. What are your thoughts? I love that lead guitar part that we heard. They're at the end. One thing that kind of pisses me off of myself because I, you know, because I gave up on some forty one because they were party and hard dare. Derek wibbly's voice is fantastic, man. It sounds great on this track. It sounds great, I think, on the whole record. But he's got he has a perfect punk rock voice. Man. It sounds it sounds Nice. It's, you know, all the good punk rock are. All the good pop punk vocals sound nice stacked, you know what I mean, like if they've got that voice, Sounds Act. It sounds good stacked and he just sounds great and and and this is like such an awesome freaking pop punk song. It you feel good, you're having a good time when you listen to it. So I love...

...it. Drum fills all over the Oh yes, love it. Love the drum fills and I love that, like we basically get a bonus chorus the since you found me out party. That's like it's like, Oh, we weren't done. Here's some more hooks for you. They're good at it and I think that's what's funny about about pop punk kind of stuff. Is that what drew me to it. Is like I like melodies, and so it was like most people were really good about that. I've heard like a long time ago and interview with Chris Karraba talking about how he his sort of theory is that like every punk pop band is mostly influenced by the beach boys were kind of like the first. It's like, Oh, that's pretty true really. I mean it's like you speed up the beach choice songs and put double time behind it or whatever, and there they could be like pop punk songs. Yeah, a lot of them, but like you know, got good harmonies and stuff and I just I love harmonies and so they're all over this song and I'm into it. Chris, what are your thoughts on rhythms? I dig it a pretty touch it. That's that's the note. That's it. That's it. Not I appreciate the light touch on the course. You guys both mentioned the chorus. Derek can get a little wordy on some of the courses this song, on this one he kind of he got it lays off a little bit and I appreciated it. Just I know what you want. And then the sense you found me out with the harmonies. Yeah, like it. It's they you guys already kind of touched on that. But yeah, I was my favorite part too. O This. I wonder how much. I wonder how much Finn is like a song shaper guy. I just don't know. It wouldn't. Yeah, I you don't. I don't know. I just wonder. It seems like a band like Green Day probably comes in with that song almost kind of exactly how they want it, and then he's just making it sound perfect and like it's all it's. I mean, he seems like more of an audio engineering guy for me and not like a song guy. But but then again, you see, as you kind of mentioned a bit of Goo, Kyle, it's like they kind of become more defined on the record that comes after this kind of like find their sound or whatever, and it makes you wonder if, like, was Jerry Finn Part of that? Did he kind of go like, Oh, no, I think you should do that or you shouldn't do that, or I don't know. I'm just really curious. I always loved to know, especially on a with a really young band on a day record, like how much you know, what percentage of this success do we owe to the producer? I mean, because a really good producer can just like take that band from like almost there to like there, you know, and and without that guy maybe you don't. Maybe you're just the ninety percent and you don't ever get to that a hundred percent, and so you don't sell two million copies of the record. And obviously Jerry Finn is a huge producer, he's a big gun. So just having that name probably helped. But I imagine he wasn't taken projects that he wasn't at least interested in at the time, acaus he was just getting to do whatever you wanted in two thousand and one. But you know, I just a thought I would love to love to be a flowaball in those kind of situations. Well, I went down a whole Jerry Finn Rabbit hole at well I while I was setting this album. There's a lot of great articles about like we to talking about in style. Yeah, it's yeah, and that's that's mostly who you're going to hear is like the bands that are big enough to get asked questions about it. But you unfortunately don't see a lot of like articles about producers. Yeas not just not as common, which I think they make the world go around, but that's because I'm an audio guy. But it's just me. Let's go to motivation, which was also single. Right. Was It, Kyle? It was that. It was a single. Okay, I'm not incorrect. Motivation. Here we go, see, lady, classic low fide distortion at the end. There always a always a good thing to throw on a record. Chris, what your thoughts on motivation? The song wears me out, man. It's like I feel tired when I'm done with it. There's a lot of drumming going on on it. There's a lot of drumming in so many words, with the ending Asian just maybe too many. I'm just gonna say, okay, I feel gotta tired of but Hey, more props to you, wordsmith,...

...for finding all those words. Yeah, but I mean I like the song, just get a little yeah, I don't think I list to it twice in a row. I having to take a nap. Yeah, it's definitely rhyming dictionarycom style, Hey, which I've used. I'm not absolutely, not knocking it completely, but yeah, definitely painted himself in a corner a little bit there. Yeah, I can't stop now that I've started. Kyl, we are your thoughts on it? You know, I don't hate it. It's fun it is a lot. It's it's to get the kids jump up and down song right, like that's yeah, that's what it is. It's make the air dusty at the at the festival song, and I feel like I would enjoy it more live than I do on the record. That makes sense, like I think if I saw them play this live, I'd be like, Oh, yes, this is cool, but I'm with you. It doesn't excite me. I don't not like it either, but it's fine. What else were you to say? It's fine. Yeah, fine, so I was. I was just going to say, well, are are, we are we did you have anything else to say, Blake, because I was going to know that's really is and that's that's where I'm at. Okay, so I was going to say you guys were talking about Jerry Finn and I don't know how much he wrote. I like, when I say I don't know, I mean like I don't know anything about if he did that with anyone, but I was always under the impression that like he was a developing a sound kind of guy, you know what I mean, like like blink one hundred and eighty two. Yeah, like Endom of the state. Sounds completely different sonically than dude ranch, right, right, and so like kind of that dude. But while I was looking at at something, there's I guess the guy that produced our next record is a guy named Greeg nor. Is that ring any bells to you guys? Know I've never that a so. So what's really weird is he's got songwriting credits all over this record. Oh so, I guess in a roundabout way, what I'm I think I'm trying to say is I think maybe I found out that Jerry Finn doesn't help necessarily build the song sounds like this Greek nor dude did that. Yeah, the sound sounds like this Greek Nori Dude did and he got to produce the next record for it. So okay, well, that helps clarify. Think that would make sense. I mean because most of you're right. Thin tends to make a band kind of like find their signature sound and then they stick with it generally. Because why would you not? Do you find the signatures on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he was pretty good at that. Okay, well, let's go to into deep you're giving. I mean, is it ever wrong to do a harmonizing trill Guitar Solo. No, it's not. It's always a P for it. You can put it in a celendion ballad and it's still work. Chris, what are your thoughts on into deep? I freaking love this sorrow man. I've always loved this song. Okay, I'm not crazy. Right. Basically, up until the outro of the chorus, the song is basically just two chords over and over. Right. I haven't really thought about it, but yeah, probably, yeah, you beat you, but like, I think that's magic. When it's songwriter you can do that. It's so cool because it doesn't sound repetitive like that, but it's basically just those two chords. It's really three, because they walk up to it. Yes, I'm sorry, yes, but really, yeah, but, yeah, yeah, I just think it. But it makes that ending of that course just payoff so much because it's the only thing that kind of differentiates and then the the metal guitar stile there and so good. Miss it all together at the end, and the music video was so awesome too, by the way. Yeah, I mean I like first of all, it's a nice change of pace. Like now the record, like it's got a kind of a bouncy feel to it. Yep, this is gonna the first thing I thought about when I really listened to this was that the verse is kind of sound like a sugar race song. Did you have the same thing? I am showing this because you won't believe he is sugar. That's sugar two thousand and one. That is not a coincidence, my friend. No, it's not a coincidence. I don't believe it was. Dude, I I'm I'm bummed that I didn't get to say...

...it first, but I'm validate. Sorry, I thought there was no way someone else was going to say. Dude, the INTRO is a sugar re intro. Dude, like when the yeah, the intro on the versus just kind of feel like it a little bit. But I do really really that's not a dig I do really like the song a lot. I love the chorus, the end, the last line of the chorus with that progression is awesome. And, and yeah, I mean that, that Solo it. How can you not smile when that comes on? And it is the most played tune on spotify, by the way, so I don't think they're alone and thinking that this song is is kind of the best it. Like I said, it's fun to look at spotify because it just kind of gives you an idea of and, by the way, by a lot, like it's three yeah, twenty one million, compared to like even fatlift is two hundred and eighty two million, and then some of these are like six million. So it's just kind of like and three million. So I mean a lot of people like this song and it's a great song and I honestly and kind of bummed that I had forgotten about it for so long. It was really kind of a pleasure to get back into this record again and I said, I didn't listen to very much for the last twenty years. Kyle, do you have any other thoughts other than sugaray that I stole your thunder on? No, I mean I'm glad. I'm I'm glad you shared my thunder. Dude, fun when that happens. Oh yeah, well, because that, yeah, it's there, I mean in in. Anybody else needs to go listen back and you won't be able to unhear it. It's just sugaray all the way, which is my my new bands name, my new sugaray cover band's name sugar right, all the words. But this song was a single. I was going to say. You guys already talked about how awesome and stuff was. One of my favorite things about it is that freaking pop punk, bouncy build up into the metal solo you know talking about, like it's just it's it feels seamless and definitely two different styles just blended together perfectly. Rab But it's like a metal solo in a major key. You're just not normally what you get in metal. But that's what makes it fun is that it's like these guys are clearly influenced by metal, especially when you get into the next couple records, like it comes out even more and and so it but that's a fun way to make a twist on it. It's like Oh, this, but it's in a major key, like it's basically one hundred and forty five pop punk. I mean it's like the most standard chord progression you can have and then with that Solo on top of it, it's just from running. Like I said, it just makes me grin here to hear let's go to summer at Kyle thoughts on summer. Man, I freaking love this song. It's a fun like I don't think it was, but this could have been on Tony Hawk Pro Skater, like Oh nice, it's got that vibe. It does. And actually, what is it kind of actually, now that I say that, it kind of has the same vibe as that that body, jar jam. Not the same. You don't talk about I don't know that one, Tony Hawk. Well, check it out later, trust me. Couple mainstays here. We've got the OCTAVE Guitar, Lead Guitar Part, Classic Punk Rock thing for all of us guitarists that weren't good enough to learn actually guitar, to write to strings right and oh yeah, just doo strings, octos, just up and do that. Yeah, I know Chris, Chris can do that. And and then three part harmony. Man, like, not often do we get three part harmonies on stuff in this genre, I feel like. But Nayla, the three part harmony and I love it. and I wonder, have you guys ever seen them live? No, me neither. I wonder if they do it live. I wonder if they can actually, y'all, sing or if this was just a production. You know what, I've never season and I don't know that I have talked to anybody me that has. Like have they come around here. Never came like I've I've never die. I have no recollection of anyone ever being like, dude, did you catch out some forty one show. There's probably like a two year period of time that I would have absolutely gone to see them, and then I think I just kind of forgot about them. And I'm which is weird, because like I remembered fat lip being a single, but I forgot that like motivation and into deep and the next record after this had like two or three singles on it too. They had a lot of suggestful singles. Yeah, and I just I kind of forgotten because I...

...think it kind of just got in that wave of all those bands that came shortly after or around the same time, and I think it's I kind of forgot about some of that. But yeah, that's a good song too, and I think you're right it could have been maybe not a single, but certainly on a video game soundtrack. That was when this started also happening a lot. That was a new, fun way to distribute music. Any other thoughts on summer or should we go on to handle this? Let's do it. I'll see it. Man, Chris, it's good to you. What are your thoughts on handle this? So I maybe it was a little grumpy when I wrote my notes, because I'm really happy now that I'm hearing it, but I've got nothing but negative takes to say. No, Chris was not happy. So I love the Guitar Solo in the Middle, but I'll just read what I said because I one time I felt this way. But apparently at the end I thought that I'm trying to you know, the classical bringing all the parts together, and I just felt like it's kind of bumping into each other a little bit. Just didn't kind of bum me out a little bit. I said it was a circus. I think that might have been a little harsh. I'm sorry, maybe I dadn't had a snickers bar yet. Yeah, I think that might be. I mean I think it's start of the obligatory ballad. Quote Unquote. I'm as far as the slow song in the record, but like the part that you played this mush chef kiss the Solo. Would that reverb auto and everything? It's still echoing somewhere. It's so yeah, so thick. By the way, one of my favorite quotes that has ever come out of Chris's mouth for for me, which is he said a lot of really great things throughout the twenty years we've been friends, but one time he was like, man, if rever was a finite resource, we would have ran out in the S, and it's very true we would have. In this is definitely a throwback to to the bands that might have used it all up if it was like the reserves of oil. But fortunately we'll get all the reverb we can do deal with. Cole, what your thoughts on handle this? Did you have grumping notes or having no? I gotta Tell You, I got to put on my brave face and and say, against what my birthday buddy thought, I love this one, man, I freaking love this song. It's it's I don't know. I don't know what it is that hits being, hits me in the feels on this one, but I remember this one from back in the day and even now listening to it, and I love the building at the end and the singing over I think. I think it's awesome, and that's just you know, I'm a sucker for that stuff, so maybe it's that, but I love that Solo. I think it's voice sounds good. I like that it's it's Ballade, but it's not like they didn't go too far, you know what I mean? Yeah, so I really enjoy it. And actually interesting about this one. This was a single in Germany and Japan. So I don't know what it is about this song that appeals to Germans and the Japanese. But and how the world does a label decide that? Yeah, we feel like really strongly about Germany, like what Japan? I'm just so curious. They've got to have some sort of data point the focus groups. Man, I guess maybe must be Dawson Scoot UNTASTY. Why, by the way, why is it totally okay for you to do the German accent, but if you would have done the Japanese one, you would have been canceled? Yeah, yeah, I wasn't. You played it right there. I'll say this. So we like we never got to play out of the country, unfortunately, but everyone we know that like played in Japan said it was just a totally unique experienced than anywhere else they ever played in the world of as far as like the fans are just there for it and they're they're they're just like totally quiet and soaking it all in and they're just like totally fanatic about and they're insane about pop punk. Dude. So we we had a we had a Japanese deal with Sony and it fell through and we were on. We did it. We did the deal solely so this place could book a tour for us in Japan that and it fell through at the last minute.

It was such a bummer. But like everyone was just like, Dude, they are insane for pop punk music. I mean mxpx has a huge following over there. Not to say that, not to say that. I mean I was anything like mxpx, but no, but I was going to I was getting I was going to go to Japan and enjoy it. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah, are our old buddy Jamie Wilford from at the thought that, yeah, you're talking about yeah, from the Stereo, Stereo and let go was would always tell a stories about playing in Japan and they were hilarious and and they've got a little they got a new podcast out, so check that out a few if you don't, if you know who the stereos and if you don't know the Stereos, you should check it out because they're great and they influenced a lot of these bands we talked about on this podcast, Stereo record to let's go to Mos Oh, definitely, I want, I did want to say one more thing. Oh yeah, please, I take sure that the Germans hurt. The reason they got an extra single is because they heard fat lip and they are like nine, and then they heard they heard handle this and they are like Dass Scoot. That's exactly how it went down. Guys, if hey for all our German listeners, let us know if I'm wrong or if that's exactly how it was. Yeah, well, I bet that. I bet it was part of their what do they call that, where you take the government surveys, the sense? I bet it was part of their senses. Yeah, I'll right. They just ta went ahead and just pulled the whole nations, pulled them all on this. which single we should release from some forty one? Okay, let's go to crazy Amanda bunk face, which I did Google to make sure. Do I need to bleep this or no? I don't actually know. Okay, here we go, Kyle. Let's go you first. What are your thoughts on on this track? I like the song. It's not my favorite it. I don't know. It doesn't have the Jois de Vive that the other ones do for me. So fancy. Yeah, wow, I don't even know what that means that. I think it's the juice of life. Very nice. Yeah, aren't you so fancy, Chris? What am I you? I feel similar, but I have to say that that metal breakdown that you the part that you chose call sweet redeeming part, it is super, super juicy. I love it. Yeah, that's about that's about it for me. What's funny is I wrote down that it feels the most green day, but not that clip that you just played, and probably there must be. It must be the verses or something I was talking about, which I can't remember right now, which probably isn't a good thing. So I think I feel about the same way. It's kind of like a I could take it or leave it. We can't really leave stuff on this record. It's only thirty two minutes long. Yeah, you can't take anything off. They needed that introduction. You kind of need it. Yeah, it's that's forty five seconds. It's under thirty minutes if we lose the INTRO I but I really don't like the snare sound on it, which is weird because I almost never complain about Jerry Finn Production, almost never, and it just sounds way too compressed. I just don't like it. Well, in Stevo thirty three or Stevo thirty three or thirty two, I don't remember, but Stevo was one of the first dudes outside of Travis Barker. That's when all the pop punk drummers that were making it. We're playing the orange counties. So he had that snare. Yeah, got a van it. Yeah, cut a big hole in it if you don't have event. Yeah, yeah, and that was I did not trend love that snare sound. And this doesn't even quite yeah, I don't know. That was a weird thing. I didn't mind the I didn't mind the way, Chris, your the drummer. What's the there's Piccolo and soprano, right, Sopranos, the really small one right in Piccolos, just the one that's like normal but not deep, like French is deep or three inches dep or something. That's your three hundred and eleven sound. Yeah, Oh, yeah, yeah, and so I mean I hated soprano stairs, but I did like Piccolos if they were turned like tuned to certain way. I actually had one that I was one of the my favorite snare sounds I ever recorded. Oddly enough, somehow I had it just tuned a certain way. There was a little lower and it had a nice crack to it. But, but, and this end of this track, I do not like it and it to me it very much dates music. labsolutely real bad. Yeah, and and it just like has a date stamp on it that's like two. It's acutely ninety nine, two...

...thousand, and this kind of has that for me. So you know, what are you gonna do it? It's fine. There are worse things to complain about. Okay, let's go to all she's got. Getting was always doing all my time. I don't know if I get this up too long. It seems all every time. Come Lotos. All wrong. See Wrong. Why don't you believe Kyle? Let's go to you all she's got. What? You can't tell me I'm wrong if I'm crazy, but I mentioned it earlier. freaking this song could be on dude ranch with Tom Delong singing it. This is a blink. One hundred and eighty two dude ranch song, one thousand percent. You are correct. It's it's great the way that it like even the way that it's mixed, you know what I mean, like it's, yeah, crazy, the bass tone, everything about it, that chorus, the believe her. I'm like, Dude, this is freaking this is a dude. This is a dude ranch song. And not even be side it's a great song. No, it's a good song, but yeah, it's definitely the blank ways to song the like, without a doubt. I totally agree with that. Chris thoughts. Absolutely, I think, the the the bass tone, I definitely think it occurred to me right down Apple Shampoo Vibes. But I mean it was. Yeah, and that album was so important to me. Yeah, in high school. Oh, yeah, so we got to do that one. I played it as Zilly Times. Oh, I know, I know, there's some though that in back of my head. Guys, I'm probably but we gotta wait an end. Yeah, podcast isn't going to last forever and I feel like we gotta save a few moments, you know, like we have several blink one, hundred and eighty two that we still haven't done, so we've got time to save them. Yeah, Oh, I agree, those are precious. Party can't stop. The party cannot stop. Yeah, I'm too we will after yeah, but move into early two RB. Yeah, well, it'll be all. UH, sure, who looks the same as he did in two thousand, but it looks great. Know How that dad hasn't aged at all. Let's go to Hart sacks. No problem with the concentration hesitation, I can make time. What a freaking Banger. Yes, this song is so good. Yeah, I I can't find anything to complain about on this thing. I think the versus. You have no idea what's coming at you, because it sounds it sounds like it's going to be this like Oh, here's another balloty kind of that's what it seems like it's going to be, and then it like kicks in with that drum part and you're like, Whoa, this is cool. I mean, I love this song and I had totally forgotten about it. I really had not listened to this in twenty years and I am a fool for not having done so, because it's great. Kyle, where you at on it freaking rocks, dude, like so good, and it would be so much like, guys, let's start a some forty one cover band just so we can play the song live. Is it would be. It would be so fun to play this Song Live and and tell me like maybe it's probably too early. They were ahead of sugar cult, but I hear, I hear Goldfinger in this like Oh yeah, like the sugar calling. My thing about sugar cult. That's a great album, but like it's got that it's it's got that bounce, but like not the not the sucky bounce, you know, like it's the right bounce. I freaking love this song and even though the final spoiler alert is funny, I and I get that they don't. They don't have enough time to drop anything on this record. It's kind of a bummer that that a joke comes after this, because that is that song is awesome. Oh Yeah, we're gonna Great. It's unfortunately talking it. Are you talking about the the chick magnet groove that...

...couldn't get dent to be? Yes, yes, absolutely, bouncing off the walls. Yeah, yeah, this, I mean, I would love to see them play this song live. It's probably so much fun. It's funny like how I think flight from one thousand nine hundred and ninety fivelight two thousand and three. It's like every punk album you had to have a six eight song and then you had that that Bouncy beat in at least one song, we couldn't do too much. Yeah, we had to like call call into it. I'm glad they did that. Yeah, the song freaking rocks the Jane. I like that it jumps between that bouncy thing and that right rage where it goes back to straight DNNET, and that's just really cool to go from the you know that that that that it's got that swing and then also in there like Dunna, Dunna, dunna. Right. I had multiple times written down for this song because there's so much coolness I wasn't sure where to have. You start it freaking song, which is I think it's weird how much that really guides my notes of being like on this podcast, of going like when I can't find the thirty seconds I want to use, because it leaves out to other thirty two clips. I'm like that is a good song now, like especially because it's not normally just like Oh, what should I do the verse of the Chorus? It's like, ohh, I do the first of the course of the intro or the outro or the bridge, and this is one of those that like I want to just play the whole thing, but that's not legal for copyright reasons. FREAKING laws. Yeah, you know, but it's a good one. So and it's a very much a great, windows down, rocking out song, so love it. Okay, let's go to the last track, which is Kyle. Foreshadowed, rare. Here we go, Star Studies Free Kyle. Well, you go first, since she's already kind of talked about it. So again. You know, I said earlier that they're the way that they partied. When I was younger, I was just a little too straight laced to be into that that it was off putting to me. It made me feel like, it made me feel like, for whatever reason, that they weren't serious. And then then they did this and it was like even horse. It was infuriating, like, Oh, you guys, this is just a big joke. You're just partying it up and and now you're going to make a pain for pleasure, you know, a side band, while all of us other dudes out here just trying to have one band and it's not a joke. And so and honestly, I was just hating but even now I would say it's not good. And also you think that I'm going to listen to this and being being a product of the S and not call you out for aping the punch out song when Matt gets on the bike. That's freaking guitar line is punch out. You know the partner talking about, rightly, Crep, of course I do. I totally year it now. I mean it's not it's not exact, there's no doubt it inspired. It interesting. Yeah, wow, called out some forty one. Are you going to respond? twitters? You Guys gonna Respond? We'd like. They're not. They don't care. Yeah, I just like, actually like to hang out guys. Yeah, you guys are real special to our hearts. What the heck, guys, you make a great record, but the book ends of it are terrible. I hate the intro. I hate the Outro, and it's not it's because it doesn't fit at all. Like if this was a darkness song, I'd be into it now, I mean without the vocal part, because the vocal suck on it. Yeah, and it's like this jokey thing and it just feels like everyone was jokey and they've been not jokey for the rest of this record. Yeah, I mean there's like little things that like they're kind of like, you know, like on the last track, on like heart attack, it's like, you know, lyrics about not wanting to wake up and you know, like that was relatable to teenage guys. You know, this is just jokey and it didn't resonate that like jokey stuff didn't. It wasn't my favorite thing then and it certainly doesn't age well. Yeah, it's just bums me out that they started and in a the record with the things that I want to skip and I never play, you know. I just I wish I could chop them off of my version of the album, but they're there, so you can't do that. Chris, what are your thoughts? I mean standalone it's kind of funny, but I agree with you. It's very jarring it. It says great pop punk record, and that just kind of that...

...maybe, you know, speaking of Jamie from Lego, like they had a similar metal song at the end of their album, but it was like a hidden track, like you had, yeah, find it. I think maybe they could have done that instead when it mostly had wanted to and it really just had like a metal solo on it, you know what I mean? Like it's one thing. I don't know, it's just I don't love it. No, no, no, it did. They were trying. I feel it felt a little forced, like hey, we should be funny because you's something funny. Right. And and honestly, early s like was almost not. We almost quite right. Weren't ready, yeah, for the s metal to be ironic. I mean it was still kind of like super lame, like these guys just decadent and like dumb and more makeup and Yep, I don't know, I didn't think it was ironic quite yet. I still though it was pretty stupid when it was seemed like s hair metal. This is like straight up the metal bands that you that I was doing sound for at the conservatory all the time. It was almost to like Judas priest, like well, I mean it is. I mean I ge're right, it is to it is to. It's definitely honige to that. But it's like those dudes just felt like, okay, for example, hair metal was all the way out. There was no such thing as hair metal in two thousand and one, but there were definitely old, washed up metal dudes. They were like in their S. no disrespect as I'm now in my almost there, but like you know what I mean that, like it felt like, Oh boy, you're really hanging onto this, and it was kind of like laughable, and I know that's what they're doing here, but like it just it just bum me out because it's like this is fun to do for like this would be fun to do on social media now, but, like you put it, the end of your record just kind of I don't know, I just after a wonderful song, after a great song. That would have been a great ending to the record. That would make me want to start it again in less instead you do this and if I if I've got the record on repeat and I hit skip, I got to hit skip twice because I also hate the intro to the record if I want to play it again. So, anyway, you just see throwing up your hands and rage and AH, yeah, I literally skipped it like almost every time. It's just like I didn't like it. It kind of ruined, left a bad taste in my mouth. Not into it. So sorry, that's a bummer. Let's go to lasting impressions, guys. Does it hold up? Whoever wants to go first. I absolutely think it does, and I think it's a better record than I initially thought it was. I think you're right. What what? What I think is cool about this record, and I alluded to it earlier. I got ahead of myself, but I said we kind of did like a tale of two records last week, our last episode, we did good Charlotte and we said, Oh, we repeated over and over again that those guys are legit. There the real deal. They're not fake, they're not phony, they they love punk music and they're good musicians and they're good musicians. They're good at what they do. But like that stuff can like this record was the right way to do that. You know what I mean? Like this, this I want to listen to over and over again, like I've continued to listen to it since getting ready for this episode, and Like I love songs more now than I did then, and it's because there's this authenticity to to what they did. Outside eight of the intro and the end were like these clearly were young dudes just making music that they love and, even cooler, taking influences that they love and making something new, and I really, I really think they captured something special. Chris, what are your what are your thoughts on it? You think it holds up? Yeah, absolutely, and I feel the same way you do, Kyle, like a revisiting it was I was like how this is this, the substance here's really good. These are really good songs. And so maybe it was you that turned me on to some of some forty ones later stuff. I guess we caught more recent but it was like Midt s chuck, yes, yeah, it was it you. Yeah, because like that's the album, I'm thinking. Yeah, so, so I found this happened to me with a few bands from this are where, when I realized how good of a song like I writers, they were by listening to their later stuff. It made me revisit and go, Oh, they were. There's some brilliant here, but that was just a little young polished. Yeah, and you could definitely hear it on this record. Derrek'son. Derek and the rest of the guys are great songwriters. But yeah, it's the but the two hits on this song, those are massive songs. Yea like some of the biggest pop punk songs of the era. Oh yeah, definitely think it holds up. I think more I'm with Kyle. I think it more so than I would have remembered. It's funny that. I think if you took a bunch of...

...people our age, even fans of the genre, and said, like, list the top twenty pop punk bands or punk bands of the early thousands, I don't know how many people would even remember. Is that seeing? Does that sound weird? Do you think now that would be think why? You're right, it would be interesting to do that. It would be. Yeah, because I think that, like, I think it would be surprising, because I had kind of forgotten, honestly, until you brought it up and and then I listened to this and I go like why, though, like this is but you're right, it's better than the Good Charlotte record and even though I didn't like love good Charlotte, they would be one of the bands I'd remember told. But like these guys had as many, not a maybe as many hits, but I mean they had massive hits too and sold millions of records and it's just interesting. I think it absolutely holds up, more so, but this is definitely one of the records that, unlike some of the other ones where I'm like yeah, definitely holds up, like I've kind of forgot that it did, and I was very pleasantly surprised listening to it again, other than the book ends of it. Like I said, the rest of everything in the middle is good. So I think it does. Okay, Kyle, you might be you. I don't really have as much experience with the rest the catalog and now I want to go in and listen to a bunch more of it because I feel like I should. But what do you think about it being their best album, kyle? Yeah, you know. No, no, probably not their best album. Like as far as just me enjoying it, probably not their best album. It's great, but man chuck is really good, underclass heroes, really good, freaking I mean they and maybe they don't make as good of a full record after this. Maybe this is like the most maybe the best record. Maybe that's easy when you're thirty minutes long, right. But yeah, but like next, their next one comes out one year after this, by the way, right there. Next trucker comes out in two thousand and two. Yeah, they try to run rocket O so quick. Good job, but I mean really creative. On the next record they have still waiting freaking awesome song. And then I don't remember which record it is. The all to blame where they did the great video making fun of the bands. They were sounds. Yeah, what about that? Will Sasso? Like the the intro? It's really funny. Yeah, you guys smoke, Uh Huh, you do now, here you go is pretty funny. And that and that's and what's so weird is I so distinctly remember that record and I have talked to you about it, Chris, and and I think we've talked about I think I was telling you to check out underclass hero, which is another one that came later, but like even the record that they put out. I'm trying to think we'll see screen. Bloody murder two thousand and nineteen was was good. What was it called? Order and decline. I mean, like they're they're good band man and they're good musicians. He's a great songwriter. I just I don't think. I don't think they got enough credit back in the day, even for me, and I think some of them comes from either. Even though fat lip is a wonderful song. That kind of song can pigeonhole someone, even if they don't go on to try and make twenty different fat lips. It's what everyone remembers them. Force true. And Yeah, and so, like I think it's possible that that's that's why, because I agree with you, Blake, like I probably wouldn't put them on the list. I'd probably name off thirty bands before I did, and not because I hate some forty one, but just because I love so many other bands and they deserve to be mentioned in in in the list of the tops at that time. This is a great record and and they keep making good records. So, yeah, I think that. I think that makes sense and and I'll go there. As far as their most important album, it had the most. Got To be just sell the most of all the records. It's got to be right. I mean it launched him. Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, but how about desert island songs, two or three of your favorites, Chris, you're up to battle first. Yeah, I'm going pretty simply here, but you know, it's got to be fat lip and rhythms for me, and then into deep. I know I'm just finalize crime. I'm really boring, but I like the songs a lot. There's something wrong with that, Kyle. What are yours? I'm going fat lip, into deep and heart attack. I love it. Yeah, I've got to do into deep and heart attack, for sure. I think my third one is it's probably fat lip to. I'm probably the same you, just because that's a good one. But it could have gone any ways, though,...

...because I I could yeah, them's and yeah, like I told you, guys, I love handle this. I think it's a great song. I'd be happy with a rotating yeah, rotating third. Yeah, it works for me. Okay, this is going to be fun. I think nobody's perfect. Which one? We know what the worst two tracks on this record are, is the opening in the closing. But which one would you more like to kick off the record? Like, which one do you hate more? Kyle, you know, I who. That's tough. I hate them, though, technically one's on a song. Yeah, and that's a thing that will that's what I'm going over my head. Like one of them is not musical at all. Yeah, so maybe I hate it more, but hey, I don't hate pain for pleasure. Kind of like what Chris is saying on its own, it's like kind of funny. I resent pain for pleasure. Yes, that's a great, great ways say it, like yeah, so, yeah, I'm so, I'm in the same boat. I resent it and therefore I would. I would kick it off if I could, Chris, were you at I'll kick the intro off, because I think it's very important that way you start off an album is yeah, especially back then, guys, I mean the blockbuster music person had to take the shrink crap off, gone through all this trouble, you know, and now here we are we got this weird guy talking. Yeah, I might have put the CD back and that go would had to reshrink crap it with the heat gun. Armed a lot of people with your with your poor with your poor choices, something. In baree fifteen hour, those poor kids sat down at this station like I pitch here, like pure little, you know, Young Kid, young church kids like ourselves, sitting down at that station and it children of the beast. Oh goodness, Jesus help us all. Right, about growing up, showing drop this one growing our shore. Was the song. You didn't like it first, but now love Chris, if you have free yeah, that's a tricky one for me, but honestly, handle this was, I swear to God, like I don't know how why are on you today. It literally hit me, but different. When you played it, I was like, Oh, this sounds great, like what is wrong with me? When I wrote these though, I wrote like go paragraph about with hatred it, just analyzing things I did like about it. So literally in the last two weeks, it just cry I'm gonna Jam it right after this. It's fine as that. Laid my head down to sleep. Collar about you. Um, you know, I don't have one in the traditional sense, but I would say that my feelings have changed so much about the entire record that the whole thing has grown on me like truly I cannot I was surprised. We picked this record because we wanted to talk about something that we felt like a lot of people listened to it almost old. Two million records that I think that fits that criteria. It surprised me how much I thoroughly enjoyed this record. So I am on the exact same page as you. I feel like the whole thing was kind of like, wait a minute. I mean, I know I rocked it all the time then, so it's not like I didn't like it, but for some reason I slept on it for nineteen years. I slept on it then for a while and then came back to it. I was like, Gosh, this is really good. I really honestly think I've remember thinking like how like they got to metally, but then I listened to this in the second record and I'm like, you know what, I think pain for pleasure rubbed off on me more and and left more of a lasting impression in my brain than was fair. I think, honestly, that's what happened. It sounds crazy because I listened the other one I'm like, Oh, this one has some singles too, and yeah, they kind to find more of a sound, and they definitely have. I think it was a third record that was like very much huch, we're metally. Or Am I wrong about that, Kyle? I think the third record is chuck and it's no, it's it's not. Okay, it's a great punk record, man. So see, I need to listen to that now, because now I'm kind of like I'm gonna go back through this stuff for sure. Well, I think that's it for us. If you are at all interested, you can go to our website finding email podcom, and you can also check the show notes. Will have a link to we got an email sign up list if you are interested in hearing from us. We've got some stuff we're going to try to work on in the next few months. Sorry that it took us a while to get this episode out. We were very busy for the last month all of us. It's crazy, crazy, the Batman movie came out. Yeah, we had the weird that we had a tweezer show, we had to see reliant k last night, we had to see you, more world and dash for confessional last week. Yeah, it's been a busy little bit and so we'll get back on the normal track of releasing these every two weeks. As always, you can hit us...

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