Finding Emo
Finding Emo

Episode 48 · 3 months ago

Ep048 - We Don't Need To Whisper by Angels & Airwaves

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Was there any way for the debut Angles & Airwaves album to live up to the absolutely astronomical (see what we did there?) expectations set by Tom DeLonge? The answer is a resounding "no", but we still like the album. 

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Welcome to find a Emo, our podcast where we discussed our favorite albums with early aughts, and they're abouts. I am Blake Fisher. I'm joined by Chris Mouniane and Kyle Simmons and we're a little late because somehow the stomach bug moved from Oklahoma City to Austin Texas to get both Kyles kids six and Chris's. We're hoping mind stay not throwing up, because unfortunately I'm the throw up parent, so I don't want to have to deal with it. Anyway, this is our podcast and thanks for being here. And today we're talking about Tom Delong second non blink whinny two side project, angels and air waves, their first debut album in titled We don't need to whisper from two thousand and six and Chris, it's going to tell us about this album, which I'm sure this front part is going to be loaded with all sorts of fun stuff. Right. Yeah, I've got paragraphs here. I'm going to try not to get two in the lead's okay, start at the beginning. Two thousand and five blink. Any two breaks up, not really a break up, an indefinite hiatus. Argument to the basically invented that right there. It's worse because we didn't know what it was and now everyone uses super scary. It's like, what does that mean? It a going. You'll hoppis and Barker were definitely dismayed by the decision. Well, basically he kind of said Tom and kind of said he wanted a half hear off and it just kind of evolved into rehearsals for a benefit concert and, you know, heated exchanges. Words were said. We all remember it. I think it was Dave Navarro who broke the news. If I remember correctly, it was a Dave Navarro tweet or an interview. Want to tweetquity two just broke up up. Yep, enough, it was Dave Navarro, though I think that was in an interviews. I think I heard loquit to just broke up back they're like why, I remember that, but I'm pretty sure that's it. So in February two thousand and five he officially departed link within a tow and after a bit of time, announced angels and air waves, a new project. Now here's where things get interesting. If you were alive at this time, you may remember that there was a bit of Hubris, a teach of ego in some of the things that Mr Delong said about this album. Some of the words phrases uttered were this would be the greatest rock and roll revolution for this generation. In October of the same year, he said we don't need to whisper. Would compete with the greatest rock records of all time. Also said emagine if you were in a jet plane staring through the clouds. That's what it sounds like, and that the first die record was about an idea that you can see yourself differently in the world, you might actually change the world around you. He believed, of course, he was going to change a role with this record. Part of the reason he got interested in doing this project he had been on the campaign trail with John Carry and started to believe that he needs to use his art to make a difference and, you know, to do something big in the world. Can we stop right there for one second and you're talking about how as night it is that John Carry inspired anything. I mean like it's not exactly come on like that's say. We can, I can, I can. I share a quote from from from sharing from John Carrey's the moment he are, from the days that he was following John John Carry around. He said he had an epiphany after hanging out with John Carry. This is another great quote. The epiphany lasted for a few weeks and my heart was beating every day and I was really looking at the world differently. I was going, I'm really meant for something special, you know, aside from being in the biggest rock and roll band on the planet. Right, that's what ill, that's what always proff of my mi like to you already had the best platform to anyway. He is freaking band in the world, right, right, if you wanted to talk to the kids, you add them all anyway. Probably go on for hours about that. He taught himself to play a bunch of new instruments start recording at never pants ran hitch in San Diego, his his home studio that he created. Took a bit of time to create album. Recording actually took place from March two thousand and five to April two thousand and six. Record was finally released on May twenty three two thousand and six. It featured himself and, let's see if I could remembered that, Adam, Adam Willard on drums, excellent drummer, box car RAC or guitar player David Kennedy and Ryan Sin who was having...

...a little trouble community the band, and Delong offered him a job at Macbeth footwear's warehouse so that he would finally fully commit to the band. Band members put forth several sayings and rules, most importantly family and friends first, band second. So obviously some hard feelings about blink winity to feeling like they were working too hard and didn't put family first. Mark Hoppas, who, of course, has just been through many tumultualis relationships. Seven right marriages, oh no, way, still married to his original wife as a loving family seemed like maybe getting some mixed messages. Now Barker's different story, but you know he's Travis Barker. He's now married, but he wasn't married at the time. Right Barker wasn't married yet. Right or you are right, but the worst already yes, I can moniker yea, her name. I can remember the time. I don't pay that much attention. I only learned that he just got married to a Kardashian like from my life, so I'm not well to the I don't know that happened. Well, your podcast tweeted about it. I figured you would have known by that. Well, that's all you. I was mostly just bringing up that, not the relationships that you know a lot of rock bands right, I have a lot of problems with relationships. You know, seven, eight wives, but Billy Joe's got like what five wives? I don't know, there's a lot of them. It's all these guys all seemed but like they were pretty close with their families and I know like park would bring his family on the road. I don't know, but yeah, you never know. So part of the cracious album was to create a whole like media enterprise with the tour and a movie. I don't I was I could never really figure out the movie actually happened for this album. Kyl, do you know? So there was like an animated feature, excuse me, and animated short, not not a feature film, and I remember seeing it, but also I remember being like this is is this what he was talking about? I think we said that about everything. Yeah, I mean the that. I think that's what that's what I remember about this album coming out was all the humorous involved in it and just going like, and I'm a big blink way too fan. I was devastated when they went on there in definite hiatus. I was very bummed about it, but at the same time I was like I would have been excited about a Tom Delong thing what came next. But like there was just so much, like I just anyone that's like my music's going to change the world. I just feel like there is. It never does. Who's ever said that about an album and then it it was true, I just and maybe it does sometimes, but I don't know, very rarely when it's spoken beforehand. Usually the art speaks for itself in public, like in in the press it and I think I'm fond of being proud of your stuff, like all for it, but like it did. It felt like too much. And and yeah, it felt like he was like trying to do this multi media everything thing before. That's still not really a thing. I mean no one, no one's really ever successfully done that, other than maybe, like you know, there's been a couple things, like you know, rattle and hum by you two was like a sort of documentary film that kind of had an album that went along with it, but it was mostly the live performances from that documentary that it was and it wasn't like a movie and a film or a moon. Interesting Choice, talking about you too. Well, no, yeah, I mean that was just that was the yeah, that was a little too on the probably last time. We'll talk about them today. Yeah, yeah, but you know, it's like that. That was definitely the thing that caught my ear. It was all of that could not, there's this album could not have lived up to the hype that he built up, in my opinion, kind of like what what would have had to ben well, and and like how could we have possibly, let's say that he pulled it off swimmingly, okay, how could we have anticipated at the time what he was promising, what that would what that was going to look like? You know, like yeah, films, books, and was it? And like a band that will change the world. It's like what, what are you? What are you even talking about? What is that? I'll tell you how much you change the world. My my cousin lives behind me in my in my garage apartment, and they're outside with a fire pit and they're both it's my cousin's husband and his friend are out there by the firepit. was like smells wonderful with my windows open, but they're younger than us. They were born in ninety eight probably, and they were like who angels plates. So, you...

...know, I'd realize they were like five and six or whatever, or I guess they were eight about when this came out. But like it didn't change the world, like just like that bar did not get that. That goal did not get hit, I don't think. But good for him for being inspired to try, I guess. But maybe don't talk about it as much next time. But others, let others give you that title. Yeah, pay off someone at rolling stone to write it about you for all I care. I mean, that's that's fine. Anyway, gone, Chris, you've you probably got more. I just had to interject. No, no, that's good. That's really much feel I mean, I figured there would be some discussion at this point since, yeah, I mean, Kyle, before you jumped on, we were even talking about this. Kyle, Kyle has some items to share or some things he might like to bring up. Oh, Kyle, please do John. I'm ready. I'll talk more about this. Well. So, honestly, Chris, you kind of you kind of pulled some of the best quotes from from it. But, like I I found on blink, one hundred and eighty two archive pictures from the alternative press, articles about angels and air waves, and he's just saying ridiculous things. Also, it's I just remember because it's all about hype. This record is hype. That's what it was and that's what I'll always remember it for. But like, not only did he change his sound and he started the best band the world had ever heard, or so he claimed, but like he started wearing leather motorcycle jackets and had like the quintessential emo haircut suddenly, and it was just weird, like what's going on? And part of me had like this small hope. I'm kind of like segueing straight into my my my pre first impression here, but part of me had the small hope that, like, guys, maybe he's gonna do it. Oh, definitely, no, I think we all miss. is going to be downst amazing thing I've ever heard in my life. Yeah, I think that. Well, that's funny that you called it a pretty first impression, because that really is a good way too. Yeah, this guus what what happened is because like he kind of like he built up way, way too much. Like he said, he couldn't have possibly reached the the bar that he was trying to set for himself, or at least tell us all that he was setting for all of us, you know. And it's just it. I mean I get that it's like, but that, like there's so much we like. The John Carry stuff is even weird to me because that's two thousand and four. This is like two years later. I think some of that would have worn off. Like no one, no, no one was that enthusiastic about John Carry in two thousand and four, which is why you didn't win. I mean, like you know what I mean, like he was about the most boring. I mean like milk toast. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was just which like fine for him, but I mean, although, I mean I I think he's a whatever, but I mean it just like it just didn't make any sense to me, like I would get like Barack Obama makes sense to me. I get why people are inspired by him in two thousand and eight, like he is like a good speaker, a smart guy. All is like list all the things that he wanted to John Carry. Is it so just so funny that that like made the wikipedia page and I found I remember that too, from back then, to about him just being so jazzed about so. But what's weird about that to me, blake, because I agree with you, Super Weird, and all these claims Super Weird. And even though angels and air waves is not the this is not the best record the world has ever heard, like he claimed that it would be. At the same time, this dude started this to the Stars Academy, which also didn't make any sense, and thought I would thought it was totally stupid. And he's more independently wealthy from that then he was from blink. One hundred and eighty two. Yeah, that's kind of quite impressive. It's insane. So like he did in like he has pulled off, you know, something that no one's ever pulled off before and what he's doing with that. And like every time I hear it brought up, I'm like, this is so freaking weird. Like, I mean all of the all of the UFO, the UAP videos that are coming out are people that work for Tom Delong right now. MMM, so freaking weird they're there. This is going to be a weird it's going to be a weird connection, and this is me totally speculating, but it always seemed to me that there was something. Just at this point, like that, Tom got super weird right. It was almost like yeah, and LSD yeah, well, I mean it felt it felt I wasaka. It did not feel, it didn't feel totally him. Does that makes it? I felt like there was either drugs involved or or mental illness. I mean, and I'm not like trying to like disparage,...

...but I am like or but like aliens, the alien stuff combined with I'm going to be in the biggest man. I mean, do you know? It sounds like it sounds like Kanye West. Is what it sounds like, one hundred percent. You know what I mean? Mentions that in the article that you just shared with me, Kyl, the AP article, like he did. He openly talks about in this article that came out at this time that all my friends have been really worried about me and my family, like I'm having like a mental breakdown. You know, couldn't be. Might not be far off fish. That's it might be alost. And keep in mind I don't know him at all. I don't know anyone that even remotely knows him. Just like looking at the way he's talking about himself in the press and and it was a combination of all of that, combined or I just feel like there's something weird going on here. No, I'm like, I'm like ninety percent certain. I didn't look, I didn't pull any this up, but I'm like ninety percent certain that he did late in later years, admit to like a pill addiction during this time. So he was. Yeah, so, like he was definitely. So that makes more sense to me because viban right, I mean, like I've unfortunately known people with, you know, addictions or and or mental illness and or combination of both of them. And and a lot of what he was saying sounds like stuff that you're just kind of like, you know, delusions of grandeur and all these kind of stuff. And who knows. I'm that's maybe wrong of me to speak of leaving, leaving the biggest band in the rock band in the world, saying you're starting the biggest rock right. Yeah, that's weird, right, I mean that's a weird thing to say. Like, I mean they he was already in the bag, or mean pretty much one of the biggest bands in the world for sure. I mean, and it was that that all felt really weird to me, but I was willing to give it a shot, like a hundred percent, and I did so I think that's probably a good transition to let's talk about those first impressions of the actual album after hearing all this stuff for, by the way, a while, I mean we they he was talking about Angel Knck, angels and Airs Waves, I feel like for a while before the album actually came out. And sometimes I talk, talk, talk, sometimes it's like too much time passes. But let's talk about so, Kyle, let's go you first. Let's what were your we know we've talked about our pre first impressions, but actually, once this album comes out, what are your thoughts? Okay, I'm going to preface. It was something pretty prefaced, free preface. Yes, I like angels and air waves. I like them, me too. Okay, that out of the way. My first impression was I was scared, maybe that there was something I was missing and didn't understand. You thought it was too high concept, that you were too dumb to figure it out. Well, like is like it's like what what do you guys think about it? You know, I mean, like I wondered, like is this as good as he said it was. And and I just don't get it. And also, that's not to say that I didn't grow to love some of these songs. I um, but, but as far as the hype machine that was Tom Delong during the year leading up to this release. Yeah, Dude, I was. It was like some emperor's new close stuff. Like I really was like do am I missing something? Is there something I don't understand? And I was telling Chris this was another one that got leaked and I had a copy. I'm a terrible person. It probably wasn't, probably as all the time, by the way, that you here, but like leaning listen to it collectively in a car and I remember thinking now, this isn't the album, this isn't it, you know, like so my first impression, my first initial impression was this is not the greatest band in the world. I do not feel like I am flying in a jet plane. It was disappointment, Chris, and I was pissed because he quit my favorite band. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the disappointing thing is that blink wait said makes an amazing album in their untitled album. Yeah, if that's the official way we're talking about it, and and so I'm really excited about what comes next. And pretty soon after that album comes out, they I guess it's a couple years or whatever, but you know, they do their indefinite hiatus thing and you're like, oh, that's such a bummer. And so I'm excited about this. But yeah, with Chris, what were your thoughts when the album finally comes out in two thousand and six? I don't know if I could possibly say anything different. It's I mean, my story is almost exactly like Kyles, except I'm pretty sure we bought it and listen to it in the van of either a target or best pipe. I remember this. Ever, I don't remember where it was. I remember being in the Wad to talk about right. It was yes at that, but I mean that. That's how big of an impression the moment I put this album and made on me. I remember the moment we listen to it, like what, spits it back and see, I can see the parking lot. It was daytime, you know as May. I remember pop it in just I'd never...

...heard anybody say anything about a piece of music they were making before and I had no reason to doubt him. You know, it was like we always delivered, always delivered. Dude. I mean all you know, all the greatest wotes of my life. Your music was the soundtrack. I'm sure that you wouldn't you know, you steer me wrong here. This, this is I'm this first song is going to change my life. And then it was just like pads and bleak whey chords. I was like, Oh, okay, it's good, but I'm just I'm with you, Kyle. I'm like, okay, I guess I'm just not. Yeah, I'm it's like looking at the other guys in the van, like and there we're all like nodding our heads, like it's all. It was totally fan to menace. It was just like the fate of menace, like this is good, right, but waiting a long time. This is good, right. I was gonna do I was gonna do a Batman Verse Superman comparison, because the Zack Snyder Tom Delong energy is real similar. Sim but yeah, that's a good example of like we were. I think we were all excited, but I was nervous. I definitely I was like I I with all the hype that he was given it. I was just like, there's no way it's going to live up to that. It's just not possible. But I was open to it. I remember I remember just being not impressed almost at all. I remember being like there's a couple good songs on it, but I just remember like, I remember thinking, and I kind of felt this way already, that mark and Tom were great together and not a part. I just think they had a magic that worked all done they were together. That P forty four and box car racer already I liked, okay, but never anywhere near what I thought the two of them did together well, and this felt like that. It felt like Tom by himself just doesn't quite it's like you can hear all his stuff that he does and you're like yeah, I get it and it sounds like Tom, but it's missing something, and I think is missing mark. I mean that's just my it just seems like that part was missing. So and I but I liked that he tried to make it different. I mean I was I was very much into like let's go all in on this Dott a day delay stuff. I liked that the drums were not trying to be like Barker at all. Yeah, I absolutely and I remembered specifically you and I talked about that Chris. We were like that's the smartest thing he could do, and this is before the album came out. was like, don't try to get a drummer that's going to be like Barker, like the best thing a drummer could do is coming there and be like no, I'm going to do my thing. And he really. He absolutely like embrace the Larry Moolm's Juli your style. You to dressing on this, which is perfect for it and it's great and I love the drums on this actually, and that was one of my that was the one things that I was like hey, I like that he went different, I like that he learned some new instruments and have some like pianos and that toy piano and stuff. I liked that he was going there. But the what didn't work for me right off the Bat, and we'll talk as we get into the track by track to I'll talk some more about this, but it was like it was very much like a first bands album, except that this guy's a multi platinum artist and there's all this hype around it and he's hyping up and and all the press is talking about it. If this was any other. If this was a brand new band that came on the scene that you'd never heard of, I think we would have been a lot more impressed by this album. Does that? Yeah, I don't think we would have been seeing its phrases as it being amazing, but I think it was a combination of it wasn't as good as the other stuff he'd done and it felt very new, like it felt like all the keyboards sounds sound like he just got ahold of a Yamahamo tief and workstation and I picked up pad and played it like that's what it sounds like. And, to be fair, if you're just learning about keyboards and Synthesizers, that's where you would be in the in the skill level, although I would have had a producer that knows more about that stuff helped me like shape those sounds a little bit more, probably. But you know that that produced to himself, right, but that's the problem. He produced himself. So he doesn't even have anyone to tell him like lie. I mean, I know there's three other guys that are recording it with them. I doubt. I doubt they have veto power over. If Tom Thinks it's a good idea. Now I think mark hoppa silly person ever had veto power on him. Yeah, and I and then he left the band. Yeah, so it just it was in the high concept of it did not work for me at all, like him talking about it's going to be all this stuff. I was like no, just sounds like kind of bad Tom Delong lyrics for the most part, not all of it, but a lot of it. And so it just would have been so cool if he beyonced it and just like said like yeah, I'm working on an album and then the day came out just like album, movie, it's all out and like you didn't talk it all up. Yeah, that would have been, I think, a better strategy for sure. But you know, if I if I take away all of the hype, if I take away all of his talking about it and all of the stuff that I didn't buy into that made me worried about it, I would say I would be like hey, I like it and I'm but I didn't. I still found myself basically attracted to a few songs on it and a lot of the rest of it ran together and...

...it sounded a little too much alike like throughout the record. But I mean spoiler alert, I mean we're jumping kind of forward ahead. But, like, I think he found the right sound for the band eventually. Like I like this band. I think they have a lot of good records. But so it just wasn't there. It wasn't that refined on the first one. I think he would have been better off just releasing this not hyping it up to the level he did. I think it might have been more successful even but and I think it's like so, I mean that's US dogging a lot on it. But I will say my first impression some things I did really like about it. But I remember, because I do remember same thing being in that van with you. I couldn't remember where it was, but I remember being in the van with you listening to it and talking about it. I didn't like Tom delongs not a great guitarist. I don't think he would even say he's a great guitarist, but he certainly has like a style and I appreciated that. Like that style kind of got to evolve on this album. We didn't get as much of it on blank way to because blinkoint two is more of like a direct into the amp where either clean or we're distorted kind of thing. But that some of the styles that you start seeing evolve on that self titled Or untitled Blank Way to album, like come over to this and there are a little bit more evolved and you gets into using effects and stuff, and I really like that. Actually think he's got a unique style that you can be like, that's Tom Delong. You can also probably parts player right like he writes cool part of it's great parts. Yeah, they're not complicated for the most part. Most guitarist could learn how to play them, but they're really he does the octave stuff a lot and kind of these not super full guitars over kind of Bass and drums, and I really like it and I thought that it was a cool evolution of his guitar sound. So I was into that. But it was almost like he found that dotted eight setting on the delay and just like just overdid it on that Albut, and I totally get it, it's a really fun delay setting to use if you haven't had we were all doing it on our deal for it at the time the line sikes green box that every single one of us had, although that did not have a dot at eighth setting on it. You had to know how to tap it out, which was a whole different thing. But yeah, I just think that it was not quite it didn't quite live up. And I also love the drums, as I kind of mentioned before. I actually think they're they're they're really great, but it was just unfortunate. I felt like that and I was probably two bummed. I was so bummed bubbling way to I was just like, I don't want to hear anything from from them. That wasn't together a little bit. It's like I wanted it to be good, like you mentioned about Phantom menace, like Batman versus Superman. It's like I want this to be good because I like, you know, this whatever character or this band or this artist. But it again, all three of those things are things that got hyped up way more than they delivered and kind of unfortunate. In her thoughts on kind of first impressions were jumping a track tract pills. I think there's a punk news quote that. It kind of ties us all up nicely. Yeah, said Tom needs a creative foil to keep his songwriting economical. He needs a friend to tell him to tone it that once at a while. That's perfect. That's exactly like. What's exactly what those guys really plus forty four two was. It didn't have the Tom Magic, you know. It was like really dry, uninspired punk rock. That just they gotta be together, man. Yeah, I will say that I loved box car racer more so than any of these side projects. So that had barker. I wonder if that was it did that is to be that's got a count or something. I didn't. Maybe Barker had that. Oh you didn't. I didn't and and I gave it another shot this week while, Oh, I went through a lot of stuff. Still didn't like it. It just it didn't have it for three or four songs on that record. I just love, I'm but I'm not like I'm loving front to back. I maybe need to give a few more shots. I've probably listened that I'm in total like three times in my life or something, but it just never grabbed me. It just but in same thing. It's like I felt like the magic was the two of them specifically together. That I just I'm not disagreeing with that. I think your spot on with that. But but that one, man, that one, that one did it for me and in some ways it's a little it's a little John and Paul from the be I mean I'm not saying they're the same level of songwriters, but there is like a the two of them together in the Beatles were all were better than anything. Obviously in John Lennon and Paul mccarney's super talented. Paul Garney's got some great solo stuff, but like not more than he had good stuff with John Lennon and I feel like I feel like mark and Tom or kind of the same. I feel like I saw I saw tweet. It was like blinkway. Two's greatest hits is the same album in two thousand and four as it is in two thousand and twenty two. Yeah, you know, it's just I like the albums that have come after that, but they're not going to beat that stuff that happened before when it was all of them. I don't know. A can I derail us for one second? Yeah, let's just so we're already off. There were awls we...

...mentioned, you mentioned, you mentioned Lennon and McCartney and I just had to mention. Have you guys watched the movie yesterday? Yes, I love the movie. It's great. I like to kind of falls apart in the third act, but it's pretty good, very, very heartwarming. But but do you want to know the funniest joke in the movie yesterday? It's that edge shearing loses his title of Best Songwriter in the world right to the Beatles. Yeah, right, what a ridiculous thing. I think that's Oh, John Lennon McCartney like they think they didn't just. Well, yeah, well, if they didn't exist, Ed Sharon would be the best song right. Yeah, but I think that is I think that's the good one for sure. Any boyl good one. I did like that movie, though it was. It's fun. It's a fun I like those kind of what if, weird, random movies. Also, no offence Ed Sharon. I know you listen. He's a good songwriter to fair. Yeah, yes, okay, well, let's get into track by track and do this thing. Oh well, I will say one other thing. I like that he tried to make an album. You know, I always appreciate it an album that's got like a kind of like a concept in a front and a middle and end, and so he did that. And we're gonna start with track one, which is a Valkyrie missiles. I see a hundred times, a thousand times, just one mores on. You closed and say good by Chris. Let's go to you first. What are your thoughts on the opening track? I'm going to use somebody else's words. I could not attribute this quote to a person, but I did find it and I thought was perfect. Valkyrie missile has a terrific song somewhere, but it's sadly buried in an overlong two minute intro. It's almost three minutes. It's over two minutes and thirty seconds. Oh yeah, I know, it's it's three minutes till we get to a single word said. I don't mind that, though, honestly saying, it doesn't bother me. On this song I kind of like the intro. It's not perfectly executed, but I like the idea of the real slow burn in an intro. Well, I don't mind. It suits the narrative, it does, but I think you're right there. It's that's a great quote, because that's how I feel about a lot of these songs. It's like, oh, it's almost there. If you had a real producer in there, I think they would have gotten there. I really do. I think if you had, why I just toldly for get the name of the guy that does all the point went to thin Jerry Finn. Yeah, right, if you had Jerry Finn in there with this, I think it would have I think it would have gotten there. I really do. I think if someone just kind of reigned him in a little bit, like I think mostly songs have some great ideas in it that someone just need to be about, like hey, tom there's a better verse in you for that. I just know there is. Or that refrain, like we don't need to do it sixteen times before we bring in the guitar partlets to it, yeah, and then bring a guitar part after eight, numbering the drums at after eight, you know. But I don't so much minute. I mean the thing is, like this is the point where you can do that if you want to. Like you can do a three minute intro on a song because you you are one of the biggest rock stars in the world, so you you can get away with it more than you could if you were if this is, you know, whatever debut album from painting at the disco or something like. You can't do someone's going to be like, okay, hold on, you know, we're trying to get people to like you can't expect him to wait around for three minutes. But when you're Tom to long, people will wait through the three minute intro because there they know who you are and they're like, okay, I'll listen to this, like you've proven you've proven me. You know that I like your stuff before, so I think I'll give it a chance. So I don't mind the Intro as much. But that's a good quote regardless. I do. I do agree with it. Kyle. What are your thoughts? My thoughts aligned with that review. Okay, and I will say that somebody did rain him in. This is a terrifying thought, guys. Someone did rain him in, because in the we can I don't know if we can put in the show notes or not, but I send it to Chris. It was the most anticipated albums of two thousand and six and alternative press. Yeah, and in that it was listed as a day the debut coming out. Ten songs, seventy five minutes long, and we end up being the three nine minutes. So exactly. Okay, they trimmed over twenty, you know, nearly thirty minutes off of this. Yeah, twenty five minutes off this bad boy, and so somebody rained him in, and thank...

God for that, because I cannot imagine adding to same amount of songs. I cannot imagine adding twenty five minutes of music more to this. And and I do like it's going to sound. I think in times sin it's going to sound like we're just completely crapping on this. Now, I like. But with that review, I completely agree. Like there is a good song in here and like those moments. I love the freaking drums. Yeah, so there's an effect. I don't know what it is, but he uses it on a few songs. I'm going to call it the helicopter flying over your head effect. Yeah, it sounds like yes, and that's freaking cool. Yeah, it like pans in, sounds like it feels like a freaking helicopter flying over you. It's pretty freaking cool. But yeah, man too to. Okay, Blake, I agree with you. I don't mind the long intro. Let's talk after track to because let's leave it at the intro track as well. But I'm not thinking perfectly executed. I'm just saying, and you guys fell way, have to pick clips for the next five albums because I was so exhausted trying to find thirty seconds on songs. I seriously, I had to go walks around the neighborhoods all I'm going to get finished track three. I'm a finish track three. I'd like not let my mind drift off. I normally, I normally do the Clip Tu. I just thought you might, you all might be better suited for picking him on this one. Oh No, no, I yeah, purely joking, I know, but it was funny, like trying to pick thirty seconds of a six minute, thirty second song. It's like we're I mean the beginning, the middle. Yeah, and there's probably not many thirty second clips where you can get part of two different parts of the song right. Like it isn't wrong. I was going to bridge two parts. Well, I went over. Well, yeah, well, we went over all something. That's fine. I mean, yeah, it's gonna Happen. But okay, let's go to track to, which is distraction. I've got an idea because I feel like I've I've crapped on Tom Delong too much already in this in this episode, I'm going to start with the rest of these tracks. I'm going to do compliment sandwiches, where I say something Nice, some bad, something bad when something guys does that work? We don't all have to do it. I just feel like I need to say some nice things. Are Kyle, you want to go first and tell us what you think about distraction? Yeah, I I'll leave the sandwich to you. Okay, so I I actually I do like the song when it gets to it. But like what we were just talking about, this is not an intro song and here we are tracked to and we wait, what on this one? Over a minute and a half. Yeah, I probably wouldn't have done it on the second track. I'm really only exactly. It's like, Dude, come on and and again, I think it if I remember back, it's like I'm sitting there thinking, is this the next thing? Is this this? Are People going to love this? This thing that I'm like kind of, I don't know, weirded out by. And and then when he gets into it, I actually really like that chorus. I like the I don't know if it was a keyboard or whatever kind of going on in there. The it's yeah, I know, you're sorry, yeah, the you know, yeah, like, yeah, there's definitely very huge, kind of a unique sound. But and I like the drums too, and honestly I like delongs voice a lot and so I think he sounds great on this song. So I like all of that. But Man, I'm just so pissed off that I'm two songs in and I'm I've probably have a collective five plus minutes of waiting to get to the song. Your two songs and twelve minutes into this record. Yeah, exactly, Chris, you go next, because I want to see if anyone has my note that I have on here. But I said the intro could have been thirty seconds. It could have a guys, didn't have to be a lot long. Yeah, I didn't need to be and and that lyric is not interesting enough to repeat that much. I'll be your distraction, Jeff. Sorry, that's just not do it it for me. I really like the keys on the bridge and the ending part I played and I love the space age love Song Vibes it's got. It's like a nice tribute to the S. Yeah, was that a sandwich? I don't know, I'm not close enough meat. That might have been a like what do they call it? When the tops off of it open faced, like gonna face. Yeah, open face sand which I just remember like being so excited about this record.

Now I'm the second song and I already had a wait so long for words again and I was like, oh no, this isn't good. This is all that there is. The songs represent what we what was happening in real life. We were waiting and waiting. Okay, and there's lots of build up. My cons of my compliment sandwich. I actually I like this song. But so the first thing I like about it is I think it's a good song, and mean I think it. I think like we're Kyle is. I could deal without the minute long intro before the lyrics are here, but I like the song. I quite a bit actually. However, it sounds almost exactly like I'm lost without you, which is basically the last track of the album that we heard before this came out, and for this to be the second track on this album, it's just too close. I mean it's got the same kind of vibe, about the same tempo, almost the same drum kind of beat going on and kind of almost I mean you could almost layer either one of those lyrics and melodies on top of the other one and it would work. And I'm normally fine with people ripping themselves off. I don't really have a problem with that because it happens a lot. But to be one like almost the last song on the album you released before and this one's like almost the first song on this it's all it's just too much. So that's my the the bad part about this and then the the other good thing about I really like the background vocals are really great. Yeah, on those courses, super cool just washing over US background vocals from Tom but yeah, I mean we were just it was just that was the first thing I thought when I heard it then, and it was the first thing I thought when I listened to it again this week or the last couple weeks, and I was just like, oh, it sounds a lot like lost without you. And you know that's which kind of sucks, because you're like, oh, yeah, this is a good song, but I've kind of heard it before, which I don't think it's a great second impression for for me, because the first song is kind of a cool intro, but it's not a great song. I wouldn't put it on a playlist. Probably second ones are better song, but it sounds like another song. So I feel like we're kind of two strikes in really early on this album for something that I've been anticipating for so long to come out. So let's go to track three. Still my home and curse on your breath, but one thing that must well, and they prove that when you were gone. Chris Monie, let's go to you. What are your thoughts on do it for me now. This sounds great. This the third single this song. Like, I'm back in. I'm back in. I'm like, okay, okay, okay. So I totally, totally dig this song. I love the cure vibes, great chorus, that Little Morse code thing kind of holding the whole thing together. You kind of did this at the end of untitled again right that. I love it, man. I can't tell if it's like a less Paul with the pickup switch. Yeah, I can't tell what he's doing it with, but I do like it. And it's got the end in chorus, which have time for in the clip, but it's got that hold on to me line and I yeah, great, yeah, I'm back in. I'm all about this song. Cow Thoughts. My birthday buddy nailed it. This is an excellent song. It's it's not just better than the others. It's a really good song. My favorite thing about it is, honestly, what he's doing melodically is a little bit different than blink one hundred and eighty two. Right like it doesn't the other two songs. He sounds like Tom Delong. He's singing like Tom Delong and blink one hundand and eighty two. I think the way that he singing this melody in the verse is kind of different and and I dig the whole vibe of it. I love the now now, the repeats, like I love the song. I think it kicks. But yeah, I think it's great too. and honestly, one of the things I like the most about it is I think Tom, I'm going to guess there wasn't insecurity of like wanting to grow up and tired of being, you know, the joke kind of band, you know, and and and he wrote more of those lyrics sometimes then then then marked it, I feel, like a little bit the sticky stuff. So I think he's trying to leave that behind, which is understandable, and sometimes he goes way too far with that and he tries to be super deep and it's terrible when he tries to be super deep, but this isn't a perfect example of like a great Tom Lyric Song. It's like it doesn't have to be revolutionary, it...

...doesn't have to say anything where I'm just like Oh wow, what poetry. But it's a good they're good lyrics. It's a it's a good melody with good lyrics. I like it. It says something without trying to be like pretentious, if that makes sense, and so it's like a perfect sweet spot for him and I would guess that this is a song that kind of just you know how the song sometimes just come out of you and those are the good ones and the ones you wrestle with over and over again never quite get there. I feel like there's a lot on this album that sounds like he wrestled with it and this sounds like it just mm came right out, yeah, and was and kind of perfect. I'm with you, guys. I'm glad we're all on the same page that this songs. It's great and it makes it bums me out that like it took us three tracks and to get there, thirteen minutes to get our twelve or thirteen minutes to get to a song that really impresses me because he could have I don't think it was necessary. I mean, I think we could have put a better song in the first couple tracks, even though, when I said, distraction was a good song. Too Long An intro and it wasn't perfect, but like, this is a great song. I would have had this one a little earlier. Try agree with this. Other two. I was also going to mention in this song and the Intro Song, he there's this repeating melody that that's that's echoed throughout the entire album. That done Dan and Dan and yeah, like it's on multiple songs and it goes through, goes throughout the album. I kind of I kind of dig that, like I liked that. It. No, I'm all into that. Yeah, it helps pull everything together, right, and I love that on an now, yeah, I'm all in. I think that eating parts throughout and making a kind of a Motif, if you use the word motif twice now, once in reference to the keys, a very fancy word, but like, yeah, that's gonna be the only yeah, now, I'm with you. I like that kind of stuff. On this there were some great concepts. Yeah, Great Song, tract three, very solid. Let's go to track for, which I think is the first single, right, the adventure. was that the yeah, the first thing along? Yeah, okay, most definitely. Yeah, so track for. Here we go the adventure. Chris, you were Viman. Let's let's hear your thoughts. First on the adventure. Man, it's really hard to pick a clip from this song. I hope I did. You guys right. I pick the intro because I remember the first time I heard this song and I thought it was so freaking good. I was so excited. That verse is so epic, the way it builds up. This is like angels and Airway. It's like when it's when it's on, it's all. So I didn't even put any note to this song. I don't know what else to say. Like this song is like an epic great this is up there with any you shouldn't compare this band of bling, but you have to. It's up there with any great blee twenty two songs. This this song. I believe, this song. I believe we heard the song before the record came out. Right, yeah, for sure, yeah, and that and then this is good. So when he was hyping it all up and I heard this song, was like, Oh boy, if it's like Oh, I was too know this song. I mean like this was the song that made me go like, Oh, okay, maybe he did it. Like when when this came out, before the album came out, I remember being like him, might be proven wrong here. I'm happy to be proven wrong and I do this throughout history with pop things I'm excited about. It's like you guys remember when the Avengers came out? I was like, if that movie is good, I'll eat my hat and we went and saw it together and I was like, well, they pulled it off somehow. I just stopped for sure they wouldn't, and I thought for sure he wouldn't pull it off, and then I heard this song and was like man, he might but it. Then, you know, there's this other part of me. It was like it's one song, like right, a lot of people come out with a great single and then nothing else. But Gosh, you are totally right, Chris, and it's a great clip because this is an intro and that is a heck of a verse and I like that it goes at the down chorus, honestly, like I like that the verse has all the Energy and then the chorus drops down because if you kept at that energy you'd be overwhelming almost. It'd be too much. But the fact that he drops it out in the chorus is perfect. I love it. It's it's it's really so good. I cannot figure out what that percussion is at the beginning. I love that. I'm weird. I have a theory that I...

...know he bought like the little toy piano you hear throughout this like at a music shop. He saw it, like I think it was. I think the story is like he was with his daughter and some freaking music shoppy frequent and kind of played with it for fun and he finally bought it and it's kind of all over this record. I think that percussion stuff at the beginning the song might be like a modulated version of that toy piano, because I can hear it's got kind of different pitching to it, but it's not. I don't know. It just sounds like this metallic and almost sounds like he's dropping chains or something. I like the idea of using instruments that aren't really instruments, though, for that kind of thing, because I'm like that's totally unique and for all I know it's a sound on the Yamahamo Tif he was using for the other keyboard stuff, but I've never heard it before since I would love to know what that sound is and I can't. I couldn't find on the Internet anyway, anything that says anything about it. I think it might be some sort of chopped up version of that toy piano and I'll never know unless I meet Tom Delong. But, Kyle, what are your thoughts on the adventure? Well, I hope you that you get to meet him and ask him. Blake, that'd be great. I'd love to. I've love so much of his stuff. Yeah, I have. I really don't have anything to add this. The song kicks, but it's awesome and and I'm a little pissed. I'm like more pissed that I have two really great songs back to back and I had to get through the garbage to get to it, you know what I mean, like, and actually, I think, I think on this one is like don't you dare give me another long intron and then and then this one is like, you know what, I kind of like this intro. Yeah, kind of long. kind of like it long. This is this one's pretty cool and and it's like he nailed it on this one and I totally think he totally with on the first two. So yeah, Great Song, awesome and also, I do remember. So did have. Have you guys seen them live? I have not. Ever, are they go? Okay, for my try just never went down. Yeah, I've seen him a couple times and and I saw them the first time at the what was the COCACOLA events? And Right, I remember the show and the sounds. Who what a great show. So Stella's open up for that show? Yeah, they did. Yeah, so, anyway, they there was very much like a grass roots like he there was this I mean you hear in the lyrics on this it's a little cold tea, like hey, guys, come with me on this journey, you know what I mean? Like I can't, I can't live, I can't breathe unless you do this with me. And like he's singing the Halos and everybody singing it back to him, and so like, I don't know, you felt like for the people that were like all in on this, like you feel like you're part of this new thing. And when I listen to this song, I get I get that, you know what I mean? Like I'm like Oh, yeah, I'm I feel the movement. Not every song is as great as the last two that we've heard, but like, man, this is a great song. So yeah, and lyrically he's getting a little bit more pretentious in the road word, but a little bit more thing. But the song is so good I think you could sing anything over it and I'd be into it. But like, but I like the lyrics. I like that it's kind of anthemy and which he's pretty good at, by the way. He's good at like an alien is song, like he that is talk about a superpower of his. I mean he literally has two songs called Anthem Bartwe and the Bart too. I mean it's like both acts. I think he knows that he's good at it and I like that. But I want more of that on this album and I feel like we didn't get as much as we as he could have given us something sense, because, like this song's epic. I mean that's just epic. Gets thrown around a lot and and it's kind of been worn down in its meaning, but this actually feels epic. I mean it feels like I can go do things, like I can I and I can do anything if I have this song in my headphones now. This is a great song when you're exercising, like very uplifting. It's awesome. I love it. Let's go to track five. A little enough, noticed, Chris Money. What are your thoughts on a little enough, like the big I called them big war drums? Yeah, on this album or song and the big bridge. And Yeah, I played a...

...little clip of it ending there with a just a little background vocal. I thought it was good. Again, kind of Lazy Songwriting, just repeating that same yeah, I know over and over on the chorus. It's like, I don't know, man, just say something different with you all know. That's it. Yeah, Kyle. Okay, so I tried desperately to find this, this article, because I wanted to I wanted to quote it accurately, and I could not find it. But I was a subscriber to alternative press back in the day. I'm gonna be delimber. We all were in it. And also, I don't know if I'm saying this right, Kerrang sure. So. So they did a one of the two did a track by track with him and he, you know, he explained what it was about. I'm into that. And and on this one I'm I'm fairly certain that the part that you picked, Chris, that that Outro, like, not even chorus. But you know what it for, of course to yeah, yeah, course too. I'm going to I'm going to read the words just so so you have it fresh in your brain. I'm sorry I have to say it, but you look like you're sad. Your smile is gone. I noticed it bad. The Cure is if you let in just a little more love. I promise you this, a little enough. So I seem to remember this really touching story about his grandmother being on her deathbed and not being able to speak and him saying that that was the message that he received from looking into her eyes, and I thought that was such a cool, crazy, like wow. I mean, I wouldn't share that with anyone. If it was me, you know like that, I'd probably keep it to myself. But I remember thinking wow, it's just like that's pretty incredible and and it made the song better for me, because I'm a sucker for stuff like that, like someone bearing their soul in that way. I'm going to I'm going to enjoy it. I think. I think you picked a great a clip, Chris, because the end is easily the best part of that song. Like the versus, I think are boring. Also, they're kind of weird, like is this this is a church song? Or I don't know what he's talking about, like the children ran to him and he turned water into wine. But then it sounds like he's singing about himself. So this Tom Jolong Delong think he's Jesus guys, because it kind of lines up with all these other things that he's saying right right. Well, I mean that's where I'm that is where I'm talking about. I'm like, they're there was like a there was very much a messiah like thing going on with him at this point in time, and it just it weirded me out, like it was like, Dude, in the article I sent to Chris, he's talking about walking. He can walk on water if he really believes it, and I think the very headline of the of the article is like Tom Delong in the Jesus pose, or it says something like that, like he's little, little nutty. Yeah, I'm with you. I think the end is the best part of the song, although I like the verses, okay, but it really drops off on the chorus. is throughout the rest of the song. It's just it's not okay. It's okay, but man it is not. It's a letdown after the adventure, for sure. I mean as is not have enough to that hype. But but it's a great story. Yeah, I don't mind a bummer. I just story. The story makes it better. But it absolutely it does feel a little Jesus, like I'm Jesus and I just I'm hey, guys, think Jesus. You are Tom I'm pretty sure he's not, but yeah, that that. Well, Hindsight's two thousand and twenty. Blake, I don't I don't know what you mean by that. But well, what he means is he thinks to he's still not Jesus right. Well, to quote Thomas Delong himself, he says. Let's see, what was a quote Thomas for Delong? Yes, before we don't need a whisper. came out of said it was going to change the face of rock and roll. What I met was over a thirty year period. It's only been one year. So you need to wait twenty nine more to see how your life is, because it's all happening. Oh my, he said all that. Yeah, those okays. He said Jesus himself. Oh Oh, he even even timed it out to how long Jesus was alive. Yeah, that Oh my, and that's why I'm saying I think that there were some weird stuff going on. For sure it because it does it it seems like there was. That was the height of all that stuff. I mean, he's always been a little weird, for sure, but that was that's a different level. Can you imagine being like one of the guys that got to join the band, like being so excited? Oh Man, I'm in a band with a guy from Blackwood Ay to and he's like in rehearsal, be like, guys, by the way, I'm reincarded Jesus. You guys know, just like in the bathroom, wash your hands. X to the new drummer, like hey, that was kind of weird. Right soon it so, how happened? Does he say that kind of stuff?...

Your check clear? Yeah, cool. Here. Also, I think it's so funny that Ryanson, the the distillers basis, is the first one out, I guess, even though you said he gave him the John, he's the first one out, and I think this is so funny. Take it, however, you want that they replace them with the basis from jared leto's band, thirty six of Mars. I'd seen this whole song and dance before. Guys, guys, I can handle this just fine. Don't pay attention. Check, check, clears hey speak of speaking of Jared Letto, speaking of derailing this thing. I've never seen more press for a movie that got worse reviews and no one went insolved in Morbous. By the way. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know a soul that seen it. I don't know anyone that's seen it, and yet every article, like I'm on like flipboard or something. It's like method acting. Here's Jared Leto, here's Sony's plans for bottom. Like no one is seeing this movie. Their PR machine is sure cranking out the the articles, though. Okay, let's go to it. After that digression, let's go to track six, the war off, Kyle, let's go to you first. What are your thoughts on the war? Not hirack or but the song, the ware. I'm against war, but in general good to know so counterpoint. War is awesome gone. I think it's a great song. I think he I think they recapture a little bit of that magic from the adventure with this one. And honestly that that Guitar Part, that driving guitar part in between versus, reminds me a lot. I think it's the closest thing that I've heard him due to the aggressiveness of box car racer like it kind of reminds me of one of their guitar parts. But yeah, dude, this, this song rocks is great. That guitar parts a great example of a Tom Delong signature guitar part. Like you hear it, you go that's Tom Delong and ward someone trying to sound like Tom Delong and that combined with the the chorus one to same rhythm but just the octave done and Dunna, but it's not the full chord, it's just the octave notes. And then he does it bigger on the outro. Kind of think I love that. I think that's what he does well as kind of saying like okay, I've got this one part. How can I play it differently at different parts of the song for to make it dynamic? I think it's he's great at that and I love it. So who's yeah, well, it was a great and that Ridge with the clean guitars, such a Tom Delong, Yep Bridge, yeah, and that that. Yeah, he's he's got a style and I'd rather someone have a style than be an excellent technical player, if that makes sense, because it just it's more interesting. In my opinion. It's like, I know Joe Perry's a sloppier guitar player than Brad Woodford and Aerosmith, but I can hear when Joe Perry's playing a guitar part. Make that's Joe Perry, because it sounds like him, you know, and I love that. And and this in Tom's kind of like that for me. It's like he's definitely not a great, you know, technical guitarist, but I just I love those parts that he puts in this, and this song has quite a few. Chris, what your thoughts on the war of the then? You Love War, we know that. Yeah, huge, your pro warts fan. Yeah, yeah, this is another one where I was like, okay, okay, I'm in. I'm in. Great Song, Great, great, great song. The yeah, you guys already said it all. That's this really not that. The drums are great too. There's a documentary that they made about the making of this and there's a few places where you can hear Adam playing some drum parts without you know, you can just hear them in the studio and dude, he is nailing the freaking crime. They probably had to tune between the verses and choruses because how hard he's hitting these drums and you can hear it. It comes right through. Great, great, excellent drum work on this record, on this song, well, on the record, but specifically the song, just banging the crap out of him. Love it. I agree with both of you. It's a great song. I really like his vok vocals on it. I think he's got a lot, you know, he's really like going for it on the growliness, on those courses and stuff, and I really like it and I'm into it. I think this is lyrically I'm like, you're going, you're gonna little too far, but I like the song and it and the lyrics. Don't take me out of it. But you know, I'm kind of like, okay, you've got to write a war song, I guess because you were enthused about John Kerry's campaign or something. I don't know. I mean I get who knows what...

...the but it's just like the ocean is on fire. This guy turned dark again. I mean it's just a little bit too on the nose. Yeah, for it insists upon itself, right, I mean, and then it's like you call it the war. It's like, yeah, I mean, you don't need that title necessarily with the lyrics, but I don't know. But it's a good song. I'm with you on that. But I guess I didn't do my compliment sandwich right because I complained at the end of it. Sorry, I messed up my compliment, Sandwich. You liked it, but I like it. I like the song overall, so it's quite okay. Let's go to track seven, the gift o Kyle. What are your thoughts on the gift? I think birthday buddy picked out a great clip, because I think this is the best part of the song. Love those drums. I love it when he does the high harmonies with himself. Yeah, it just sounds freaking cool. I don't know that. I don't I don't think I love the rest of the song as much as I love that part of the song, but it's good song, Chris. It's fine this song. There's a band that Tom Delong often says is a big influence on them and and it's been on the edge of my tongue all week. I'm trying to think of it, but I still have not found it out looking for I'll think of it. That's pretty good. I wrote it down and rehearsed it. Yeah, that's pretty good. How is my delivery? That was very great. It was perfect. I was literally about to help you start thinking of the band and then I was like, oh, never mind, is a bit. I almost interjected. It's a bit. Hey, Chris, shut up for as I can share your stupid bath to talk about you too. Know that's here's the thing. I it's fine, by the way. It's a great it's a great call to that band. Yeah, and, to be fair, no one had really I don't maybe there were you two emulating bands when I was just too young to realize that they existed, but I don't feel like. I feel like they had such a unique thing that no one ever really tried to rip them off. And I think two thousand and six is a great time to be like, I'm going to do a Youto thing, because they they'd last did this sound in like one thousand nine hundred and eighty six so it's been twenty years and I mean this is a you too song. It's it's it's Larry Molans junior drum parts all the way through the guitar parts or edge parts. The vocal parts are botto parts. I mean this sounds like it could be a you too song and I'm not mad about it. It's I actually think it's like one of the best songs on the record. I love the whole thing. But yeah, so I'm a little bit more enthusiastic about it than Kyle might have been. But yeah, I mean it's definitely I like hearing. I like hearing all the influences that influence an artist. And blinkwey to didn't get to do as they did. You know, some of that on that, that untitled one. You know, we got to hear a little bit of the cure kind of yeah, I mean we actually got to hear with the cur thought. So but yeah, we got right. Yeah, we actually got him on it. So but yeah, this this is a great kind of in my opinion, it's sort of a love letter to Youtube, for sure, and I'm into it because I love you too and I think this is a good I'm definitely not complaining about that and I'm not dogging on them for for are riven off and actually like the lyrics are even you too wish. I mean it's like I'll stop the storm of rains, light a path from here, I'll make her. I mean it sounds like Bono could have written the lyrics. Even so, I'm in I think it's great. I think I think you did a good job and I wish, I almost wish you just would have embraced that a little bit more on some of the rest of the right, on some of the rest of the record. There's some other stuff where it felt like, Oh, you kind of did it, but you didn't like embrace it. Holy it's like almost like why not? Like it happens all the time that a band twenty years later totally rips off an old band. Not Rips off, but I mean like you can still be really talented and heavily influenced by old music and it's kind of like introduces it to a new generation. So I've got no problem with it. Like I don't like it when it's so blatant that it's like you don't have any real talent if your own. But we know Tom Delong has talent and he's this is now his third band that's successful. So I' we're not like, oh, he can't...

...do it. If you don't just rip someone off. Yeah, so I wish they maybe would have just embrace it a little bit more because, I mean, although you two still a huge band at this point, because, like, I mean, all that you can't leave behind, just came out a few years before this. So it's not like they're not relevant. No one knows who they are, but that album did not sound like this. That's a good point, though I didn't think about that. If you take yourself back there, you too is still like playing arenas, and I mean they could play in arena now, but then it was like a well, I mean post nine hundred and eleven would that they were. That album that just happened to be perfect for after I lost the poppas top of their game. Dude. Yeah, I mean, and, but they weren't. That album did not sound like this version of you two with the dot at eight, and on purpose, because you too is like we can't do the same trick over and over again. So like, why not do some kind of this is very much Joshua tree sounding or or, you know, maybe even into action, baby, and I love you too, so I'm all for it. So, anyway, any other thoughts on the gift fellows before we move on to track eight? All right, let's go to track eight. It hurts. Chris, let's go to you first. What are your thoughts on it? Her had had to try to get that scream, that when he screamed your best friend. Yeah, yeah, I was trying storry. It's hard though the area to get thirty seconds. So you did good, you did great. This is one of the another one of the better tunes on the album. I love the song. I like how he goes for it on the ending. There's a few verses where I feel like he's cramming it Etil too many syllables and guikes. Yeah, and that, though, it's it's and you know another song where like Hey, you're doing your long intro thing and when it's still, when you're doing it right, I dig it. I'm into it. Yeah, I the lyric, the the verse lyrics are just the verse versus in general. I just don't like. I really like the rest of it. The it hurts things sounds a little bit like a untitled track to but but, I mean, Gosh, okay, let me try my compliment sandwich again. Sorry. I like the course of this song. It's got some cool energy. The lyrics, specifically you dug yourself into a liars hole, is maybe just such a bad lyric that I can I can't do it. So the versus, I'm just not into it. It's this, it's he repeats that Melody Way Too much. It just like it's just droning and too many lyrics. Like I said, Chris so, it's like it's like a fifty percent. It's like halfway there and I feel like, like I said, a producer could have come in and been like hey, the verses are just not quite we're not quite there. I feel like you've got a better verse in you and and maybe that would have worked. I don't know, because the rest of it's pretty great. Like I like it hurt stuff. I'm looking at the lyrics right now. It's, as says, it hurts dot dot dot time seventeen so so that that's kind of an indicative of but I don't mind that. In on that line it makes sense to say it over and over again. But I like the song, but the verse is kind of kill it for me. Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? Well, you stole my name. I'm sorry. Would did the bet? The lyrics. I'm seventeen. Okay, you saw that. Toes of US too, that's a lot that. That's too many repeats. Probably, I agree. I think that. I think I probably sit just directly in the middle of you two. I enjoy the song, I think I like I'm turning it up and rocking out with it. The lyrics do bother me. It's a mouthful, so that bugs me, but I do like it. So yeah, I think it just but it always bothers me when I feel like the bones are there of this song and you hear, I hear all the time where people are like, well, yeah, I had this song and I could never figure out what to do with it and like we ended up just throwing the verse from it in this part and this bridge of this song and it was perfect, and you're like, yeah, that's what I think, that's what almost should have happened here. Like the parts that are great either needed to go into something else or they needed to rewrite the verses and just rethink, like just scratch him. And but when you're self producing, just probably not. It happen,...

...and everyone that's ever listened to one episode of this podcast knows my feeling on self producing with zero outside and maybe he did have some outside help or whatever, but, like, I mean, I know he had helped with like the engineering of it and whatnot, but I trimmed twenty five minutes off. I wondered it was one of them. I guarant well, I probably wouldn't happen. You know what, guys, I think it's might be a little long. I think it was trying. Yeah, I'm see. Now. What do you think? That tidbit totally changes my theory on what's going on here. I've got to know who told him to do that. I mean it's just, yeah, it's going to eat me alive not knowing. So I guess he was listening to someone, but I mean I think you really do need someone that can be like Tom this versus bad like I don't think anyone's I mean it also could have been verbrato right, like he could have just been lying because he thought it sounded cool. He was saying a lot of crazy things. Did you say Vibrao or bravado? I thought I said. I said Yeah, I yes, I said that. Okay, he said one of those two things. Okay, it could be I don't know. Well, who knows? And we may never know. And if you are out there and you know the answers these questions, we would like you to let us know. And people do chime in and going, hey, you actually got this wrong, or hey, this was what happened there. I love we love it, like bring it on. People say, Hey, go easy on good Charlotte. People say we're wrong all the time and I'm like, yeah, we're aware. I don't know if you understand the research that goes into this. It's not actually like journalistic integrity going on here. It's more like cramming in the cliff notes the night before. Okay, let's go to track nine. It's going to improvid, improvisational feel, loose feel. It's lottle going for the mote, count like Kelsey Grammar, conversational. Memorize his line before frasier. That's what's we're going for here. Just like that. Okay, let's go to night attract nine. Good Day, Kyle. What are your thoughts on good day? Okay, so this one starts with that melody I was talking about earlier. That's echoed through. It's like the very first guitar part played. I love the introverse on this song. I think it's super cool. Honestly, I don't know if I'm thinking clearly or not, but by the time I get to this song in the next I enjoy what's going on musically so well. I'm just rocking out with it. Dude, like I'm, I'm, I'm into this and like. I hear that he's saying kind of weird things and definitely like like, but I kind of don't care at this point. I'm I have surrendered to the cult of of Delong at this point I enjoy the song. Chris, the Dada, that ass. Oh, the Botas are great. Yeah, that was on my notes, for sure, the that, but that's a great background vocal. I imagine what I want to do is go see them live at some point and seeing that part in the crowd. That sounds fun. Like I would enjoy that. I do need to see them. Why some point? Chris? What are your thoughts? I love the lyrics on the chorus. I think I like today. It may just makes me think of a sunny, beautiful perfect day with like my family or with my friends. Captures a good moment there with his very on the nose lyrics and I like that this doesn't kind of an asmr thing. It to be new, but before that was like even a thing. So, dude, I'm boys got some ideas, man. I like that he whispers. We don't need to whisper. I love that irony kind of of of saying that and it being the name of the album and stuff. I like that. I think that's a great like. Oh, I love that little tidbit. I like when the the the title of the album isn't a lyric or a part of the song and not the title of a song. I kind of love that. I don't know why I'm attracted to that, but that's the thing I like about this. Yeah, I'm with you, Chris. That's a good good notes on the song. I think I'm I'm into the song. I agree, Kyle. I'm basically into the song without thing about the lyrics. But here's my problem with most of these songs. As we get as we're rounding out the end of the album, basically, when we play a clip like that and I'm looking at the lyrics I cannot actually think of how the verses go because it all blends together a little too much, and I think that's...

...the problem with the album, is that there's there's a part of every one of these songs I can remember and just hum out loud, like if you were like what's that song? I'm like, Oh, you know, it goes like this. I cannot remember with the versus go like on this song. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't have a note about liking them or disliking there anything. I think they're probably fine, but I can't read these lyrics and know what the melody is, and I think that's that is the weakness in this album is that some of it kind of blends together. Some of that's on purpose because he's trying to make it cohesive, but it needs to be cohesive without me forgetting which parts go to which songs and and this is kind of good example of that. It's like I like that chorus, I like this song, I do like I feel like he ends the album well with these last two tracks, but some of it's not memorable and I listen. I actually listened this album more than I've listened to most of the albums before we do it, just because of the kind of the delays in recording. I just kept listening to it every day and so I've listened this probably more than any other album, like just back to back on repeat, and I went through the whole catalog to I listen to all the angels and Airways albums over the last couple weeks just to be like, you know, try to get a wrap my head around like was this was I harsh on this because of all the lead up to it? Is it better than the other stuff? Is the other stuff better as you grow into it? Just trying to get a better recollection of that, because I'd not listen to a lot of it in a while and I think that's where I land. It's like that's the weakness. Is that it just some of it I can't remember, and that's probably not great consider I listened to this album, you know, at least fifteen times over the last week that I can't remember how the verse goes this song. Yeah, so maybe that's okay. Let's go to track ten, the last track on the record, which is entitled start the machine. Chris, what are your thoughts on the last track? The song is just super epic. It's got so many different pieces and parts that I'm not really sure what to say. It's it's a good ending to this album. A kind of ties things up nicely for me. I agree, and I like the clock and spid your going and that toy piano. Obviously that's that's what I meant. Was that? You meant? Okay, yeah, why think there might be. Maybe that's it both. No, I'm to talk about the toy piano. It might just be the toy. Yeah, and that's the kind of thing like I'm into that he like found this toy piano and and it's cool. Had learned, ad been learning to play piano and there's actual real piano on here too, and obviously the keyboards and sins and stuff, and I'm I like that. He was like, I want to try something new, you know, I'm that was a cool, brave thing to do in some ways, and I think that we would have been a lot I would have been a lot more forgiving in general if it just hadn't hyped it up so much, because I would if I just would have heard this album without with like no preconceived notions, I think that I would have liked it better, and I think I even I feel like I kind of did that in listening to it again, and I think this is a good ending track. I think that he I think he starts the album worse than he ends it. You know, like the first two tracks are kind of like, I don't really understand what's going on, but like he ends it with it like with in Stu. I wish you just could have repeated that at the beginning, because I think this would probably be a great album if he started the album as well as he ended it. Yeah, because really the middles pretty great. I mean there's some awesome songs in the middle there's a couple bad ones or a couple that have like good chorus is bad versus or something. But man, if you just would have started well, if you start well and in well, I can it's like we kind of forget sometimes that the middles maybe not even as great as the beginning of the end. But yeah, I've he did a good job on the ending. Kyle, what are your thoughts? I love it. That's I think this song is epic. Like Chris said, how weird is it? Like without this song I never would have known how much I enjoy the sound of rocking guitars and a toy piano together. They actually mix really well together because...

...they're like totally different. Breaks good and I it sounds so good. You know one thing I here's my one theory I have on why people like things like toy pianos in in stuff is because with digital recording and pro tools and time correction and pitch correction, everything got way too perfect in the in the early two thousand we just like time corrected everything to death. We pitch corrected everything to death and it's just not interesting to our ears. But a we piano is by definition, like I should be sounding instrument. It's not. It's not good and it's not really in key, but that dissonance is nice. It's like we're it's almost like Oh, it feels real like and it feels and and it works really well. And it's the same thing with any kind of like real instrument that's hard to tune like that. So glockenspiels are like that a little bit. Toy Pianos even just an out of a slightly out of tune piano. We're maybe everyone's tuned in the piano as opposed to like US tuned to digital tuner. That's why so many songs from the S, if you are a musician, if you've ever tried to learn some of these songs from like the s they're not like they're not at a perfect key, they're like in between a and G, because they all tuned to the synthesizer or whatever and it was a few scents sharp or whatever, a thirty cent sharp or something, and I think it just makes for more interesting sounds and this is a great example of that. I've, like probably everything else on this is tuned in time corrected to death, and then that toy piano comes in and it makes it feel very human. Yeah, kind of creepy in a good way. I love well well put. Yeah, so I wish that. I feel like everyone could just could stand and I feel like it. We kind of swung too far to the perfect side in the early S, which we did the S to. It's like a twenty year cycle and we're back to it now again, and my recommendation to new artist right now, like pop artist, would be like hey, just put something real in there that sounds not perfect everyone once while and it will probably be a lot more interesting. I don't know. Why would anyone listen to me, though? It's not like I have any success when it comes to music production. So let's go to lasting impressions. I think this one's going to be the trickiest one that we've had to answer these questions for, Kyle, does it hold up? I can. I completely agree with what you just said. This is the trickiest I've thought about it all all this. I have to as we as we have thought that we were going to record every night. No, he isn't with thrown up during this podcast yet. Know. Okay, roll now. Good, great. Here's the thing. In in a way, like yeah, I still enjoy some of these songs, but nothing could live up to the hype that surrounded this album or preceded it and in for anybody that's listening that's just new to this music or just now getting into it, there's no way they can possibly understand what it was like for us, as fans of blank Wanity, to to listen to this dude pump himself up. Well, you know what, there is a way. You're right. It's very Kanye. It is like that's that's the closest thing to it, but like it's so no, it does. It doesn't hold up in that sense to me because, like he claimed, it would change the face of music and rock and roll. So No, it didn't do those things that he said. Do I really like some of these songs and and did they grow on me after I stopped resenting him? Yeah, yeah, totally. I think that's a that's an almost perfect way to put it, Kyle. I think that it doesn't hold up to his promises and expectations, but it actually like if I, you know, I tried to listen with like fresh years, take all the ego stuff away, I think if this was just a band's first album, I would have been really impressed with it. I wouldn't have called it perfect or anything, I'd still call it like this, like a three out of five for me maybe on an album, if I had to give I don't really like giving stars to albums. I just feel like it's too hard to do. It's a little easier for me with movies, but but you know, it's somewhere in the middle there. It's like I like it. I like more than I don't like, probably, but there's still some stuff that like makes me so like, Oh, why'd you do that was yeah, so I think you said it kind of perfect. It's like it didn't hold up to the expectations he set for it, but it's pretty good and and revisiting it, I it is a it is the whole album's kind of a grower, I feel like. But but I don't. I think I have to say it feels more like a side project than you know and you just compared to the other blink stuff or or whatever. And like box car racer feels like a side project, plus forty four feels like a side project. This felt like a side project. None...

...of them felt like real bands. It felt like this is the stuff I can't do in my other band. I'm doing something different or whatever, and that doesn't work most of the time. I mean, this does end up being his sort of permanent band and he's put more albums out with them, with angels and airwaves, than he did with blink way to write or it's I guess it's grace at the same now, because neighborhoods technically anyway. But so, I mean it's interesting and I think that he he did make it a real band and it and I think he turned into that. But on this album and still just feels too much like a side project that never quite hit a stride. Every point in the album where they get us to a point where I'm really excited, something happens next that I'm like yea, you know, it's like it just never quite gets up. And then maybe in those last three tracks, those are the best three tracks in a row. On the right on the record is the last three, but there's not three tracks in row anywhere else that I think are fantastic. So I'm going to say no, but kind of. Chris, were you? I'm lets you guys that I'm at. First of all, I don't think you can't separate the music from the story of how we got to the music. At least we can't. It's just we were all there. Yeah, right, right, well, sorry, we can't know. You might be right. You'd almost have to. Yeah, we have to interview somebody who is this album for the first time and just had no, you know, preconception about like what it could be or what it was. I mean, honestly, if you live, if you are listening to this podcast and you had not heard this album before or didn't really listen to blank Waey to either I would I would actually love to hear what your thoughts are on the whole album. Like I mean I would really love to know what a fresh listen of this without any of the context of all. Of course, maybe you know all the baggage now because we've been talking about it, but whatever, I mean, you know you didn't live building on it, and they'll every album after this. It keeps getting better and better and he almost makes like a real band out of this. But this album feels like a side project. It feels like Velvet Revolver, yeah, or temple with the dog, like you know the side project band where there's like one cool single that they work really hard on and then, you know, the rest the albums just okay. And but this sounds not like it had exactly. It was better than that. Yeah, actually it's like one notch up from there. That's that's an I mean I think you both. Yeah, I think you we've all contributed to that question. That nor that question is normally a yeah, obviously it holds up. It's it's a pretty easy one, but I'm glad we got challenged by that a little bit, by these questions that we made up. Is it their best album. I think this one's going to be pretty easy. But, Kyle, no, no, I mean it's it may be their worst album. Yeah, fairy, I mean maybe love part one and two. I did worst both. It sounds better. Those were maybe more in the background. But so, yeah, that one might be worsehr right and and actually, you know, since we're talking about it, I think their latest release is fantastic's great arms not so come and and, honestly, the the Gosh, what's before the dream walker great album. The last two albums have been great and there is a recurring theme with those. We talked about someone reeling him in and helping produce him. I don't know if you guys know my maybe mispronouncing his name, but he has a drummer. It's either ill and Reuben or a lawn Reuben. I don't know how to say it, but this dude is young. He kicks but at the drums. He's also does a lot of the programming in the keys and Delong has given him the rains when it comes to that stuff, and I think it's I I think that that's why it's it keeps getting better. He's letting he's letting it be a band right, even if it's just between the two of them, he's letting other creative input come in and improve his songs. I think it's a really good point because I know the reason I'm generally more attractive to bands than then solo artist, although I like a lot of soul artist too, is like or well, I guess here's the caveat. I think most of my favorite solo artists are basically have surrounded themselves with the permanent band where they're like they are doing that, and I think that that's what makes bands great. Is like whatever magic Tom and mark had together wasn't the same without that. And so this first angels and Airways album is basically Tom and yeah, there are other players on it, but it's basically tom going like telling I guess I'm going to guess like every it's his way, like he's the director of this thing. We're going to do it this certain way, and I just think people are always better when they when they collaborate with people. Yeah, for the most part it's not. That's not always the case. There are some people that are just freaking musical geniuses all by themselves, but I think that's few and far between. And so this sounds, this first album...

...sounds too much like just the Tom Delong show, and as it turns into a band, I think it gets really good. So it's definitely not their best album. It would have been a great debut album for a band, for a nobody band, but because it was he was the biggest. He was, you know, in one of the biggest bands in the world, and then this comes out. It just didn't quite live up to it, especially compared to the thing we hear previously is blink went two, untitled, which I think is a phenomenal record, and this just didn't live up to that. Plus you out all the hype. What about? Is it their most important album? Yes, I think I'm with you, because, unfortunately it's important in a bad way. It's kind of weird. It's a weird thing. It's almost like I feel like I dismissed them after this, and so it's important in a way that it made me, it steered me away from angels and airwaves for quite a while. I have actually so liked it. But it also did something to you as a blink fan, which is like, you know, your girlfriend breaks up with you and your or your boyfriend and you're like you we're there still a chance we'll get back together. And then you see him, like see them with another person. Oh, I'm like, they're super in love and you know, Oh, this, this, maybe it. It's kind of but it felt like with his I don't get out like, Oh, you really put his heart and soul of this. Yeah, I think I think blazz done, at least for a hot minute. I think there were there was way too many emotions with me to to have a fair opinion on this record in two thousand and six. That's just the truth. You know, between blank way to break up, him being kind of crazy, him hyping the album up. You know, like I I generally just don't like my music and politics mixing because I just feel like politics isn't everything and I'm just like would rather not deal with it, and so that was even a turnoff for me. And so there's just you know, I was probably not in a fairhead space for to even judge it correctly then, but I feel like now I'm older and wiser. Arguably, you know, I think it's better than I thought it was in two thousand and six. But and it's I think it's important in the sense that. Yes, churse, you're right. It was like this is he's really going for this. This is not box car racer. Box Car racer felt very much just like a side project. This felt like you put a lot more effort into it. Still felt very side projecting to me as far as not being perfectly put together, but yeah, it was kind of the nail in the coffin, even though they do get back together and make one more album or whatever, but this, it did feel very permanent with us, came out. Kyle, what do you think most important, elment? I mean, I think I agree. And there's like it's it's like a rock star movie trope, right, like where someone gets big and famous and too big for their bridges or they just want to do it for the art again and they enjoy playing like small venues. The last time, the last two times I saw blink one hundred and eighty two were in arenas and then I got to see Tom Delong in the cocacola center. Yeah, and there's a part of me that wonders, yeah, I could. Chris, you said something I completely agree with that, like you heard it in your life. It was at the very least it was good enough to go. Man. Yeah, I don't think he's going to be in blankunity two for a while. And like going to that show and seeing him play and have a small crowd sing back to him. I it was like, does he like this more? You know what I mean? Like is he over the arenas? Like, is he? Is He falling in love with music again, and and and and it just hurt me more. And I think that's totally fine. If that, if that was his motivation, that's great. But the reason I doubt it was is because you don't emulate you too and think you're going to be playing thousand person venues. I mean like, yeah, that Music Lens itself to being. Yeah, you're right, arena's, it's like. And I think you can just tell the difference between a band that's going for that level, like the killers, are another band that I love, that was definitely like that. They're like we want to be a here, we want to play arenas, like we want to be huge, like we want to write epic stuff that like that tens of thousands of people sing along with. And you too is obviously like that. I mean you too was always playing to the bigger crowd, even when they were playing in front of tens of thousands of people, like the what's the is it the farm aid or whatever? That whatever that concert was. That like Banno was basically not paying attention to the tens of thousand people in front of him. He was looking at the cameras because it was broadcast and he realized then, like no, I'm singing two millions of people right now. That's what it felt like.

Tom Wanted to be. I mean I think that he you don't talk up this album the way he did unless she I mean I think he envisioned it being it just didn't work out that way for sure, but I'm glad he stuck with it. Like I'm glad he didn't just go like well, that didn't work, because I like the stuff that comes after this quite a bit. Me Too. Now. Yeah, now it kept it kept, it kept getting better. Yeah, so I think he wanted. I think he wanted the big arena thing, but he didn't give up. He didn't stop doing I think he loves doing the art to that, which is a good combination. You really need to like both of those things or you will not be happy. You can't just want the arena stuff. Because it's I don't. I'm sure it pays very well, but but I just don't. You know, just very good only comes comes when you want it to. Yeah, you can't. I don't because they were shocked by it after in blink wane to. I mean we talked about that in the endom of the state one, where like the label was telling them, you guys are going to be gigantic and they were like what are you talking about? I mean they literally did not see it. We just ran around naked for that video. They literally didn't see it coming in one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine and so but it's almost like he was expecting it at this point, which you know. I I'm sure that's hard to not do when you're in one of the biggest bands in the world and you start another band, but you just don't often get to catch lightning in a bottle twice. But I'm glad he stuck with it because they've got some great albums awards. Let's go to desert island songs, two or three of your favorites, Kyle. Hit Me. Okay, it's got to be for me. Do It for me now. The adventure and I'm actually going to go with start the machine because I love that freaking toy piano so much. Okay, I like it, Chris. It so close to being the same, but I went pure vanilla, exactly how you'd expect me to go. Do It for me now. The adventure and the war. So typical. Those are all singles to write. No, D yea, I'm lame. No, but I mean here's the problem. That's what that to me, is an indication that an album's not great is if the sell singles are the best songs on it period. It's not only a fantastic album, just normally the case. Even if you had three great singles and yeah, they're all really good, if those are the ones that we gravitate towards saying are our favorite songs in the album and don't have to even think about it, it's not great. Minor really close. I'm do it for me now. The adventure in the gift. I think I just like the gift a little bit more than some of the other tracks on the record. But the gift was a single too, wasn't it? Let me check, I think. I think it was. Do for me now, the adventure, the war and the gift now. Now it was venture. Hurts, do it now the word I had. I had heard wrong. Good, so says we all aligned time we said hurts IUS podcast. Well, that's still less times than he said it in the song. Oh Man, I really love that. One of them really did. It was really just too easy. Okay, nobody's perfect. What's the worst song in the album? Chris, distractions just awful. Bat See, I don't, I don't, I die. I don't think distract is the worst song. It's worse because, like it's because of like, how do you feel? What you're like already did valkyriede. You're like this can't be all like this or more the feeling. Yeah, you're robby right, Kyle. What do you think is the worst song on here? I I can do you agree, Le Okay, and and in. It has less to do with how bad the song is as much as like, I just made it through Valkyrie missile and I don't want to valkyrimissile to go away because, like I get that you need a epic intro, but like it didn't hit me right. You know, like don't need two of those in a row. One of those is gots to go. That's all I'm saying. Here's what's weird for me. We've crapped on this album a lot. It's hard for me to pick a worst song on the record because most of the songs have something I really like about them, but then there's entire other parts that I don't. So I can definitely think of like worse parts on this album, but that's not what the award is. It's what's the worst song on the something I I think I might go with, even though I like what we were trying to do. I might go with the opening track. I might go with valkyrrimissile. Just mean you got another opening track right after it. Yeah, but mostly because I don't I like distraction more than Valkyrie missile. If I just compare the two songs, forget the fact that it's track one and two and stuff, and then I like think. I look through the rest of these tracks, I'm like, well, there's some it's so it's probably between Valkyrrim missile and a little is enough. I just don't really am not into a little enough, so I'll probably edge out and say a little and...

...a little enough is the one that I'm going to say. Is the worst truck in the record, just because it doesn't really fit. It's right after the adventure, which is an unfortunate place to be and almost feels like they knew it was. It might have been a little bit and it's your story. is very sweet, Kyle, but it's not enough to redeem it for me. So I think that's what I'm going I a story. Definitely maybe like it, maybe like it more. Hey, it's not my story, guys. Okay, Oh, Tishe it's his. That's true. Okay, growing on a shower. What's the song? You didn't like it first, but you know, love, Kyle. I think. I think I'm gonna go with good day, and I think the reason is I remember, like, being younger and thinking this course is stupid. Like I think I like today. I think it's good, like, oh well, way to go, bud some deep thoughts, and now, as an adult, you know, going through the grind daily, I'm like, you know what, yeah, I like this. I kind of need this uplifting. I think I like today. That's something I love about music, though, is that a song can mean something completely different to you. Tell me years later, a break up later, twenty years later, having kids, later. Whatever the thing is, it really does change your perception of some of these things. Yep, so I'm into that. I like that answer, Chris. What's yours? You know, I think for me it's start the machine, because I think I just kind of like exhausted by this album when I first got it, and so I die, don't. I feel like I verily rarely made it to the end of the record. I just started like skipping through the singles, but on listening to this week, that was one that stuck out to me more than any other. Songs just be like also really well crafted, epic song, and it's not like a perfect single, though it's place, it's not its job's just a great ending track. I love me's a great ending track, because so often do the do the band's mess those up? Hmmm, very true. They're not easy to do. Um, I struggled with this one. I think. I'm this sounds really weird to say, but I think it's do it for me now. I know I put that also in my desert island songs, but I don't later we'll let to do that. Yeah, I think. I mean, I guess it was not. I I specifically remember when, when I listened this record that I was not impressed by really anything until the adventure. The the first with this came out in two thousand and six and obviously that's just wrong now because, I mean, I picked it as my top three songs on it, so I think that has to be as far as leaps and bounds of how much it grew, it's got to be the winner. But I do agree with y'all sentiment on those last two tracks that I think I slept on those two a little bit, but they just didn't go up to the level that do it for me now this I that's it for us. We finally got this episode recorded despite children being sick and whatnot, so thanks for being patient with us. If you were being patient with us, who knows all the normal stuff? You can email us info finding EMI pod. You can tweet US finding Emil pod, you can instagram as finding emo Pod, you can facebook all those things and I'd love to know your opinions, especially on a contentious album like this one. You tell us where we're wrong, we're right, etc. I think the last episode we mentioned there's going to be a t shirt for sale. I think it's close. Yep, did we get it on it. So the I think. So, okay, I am lying. I'm locked out, like, for whatever reason, my passwords aren't working on our websites. Right, technology and so and so, like be different. Blake, Blake, he's he's getting it. He's going to put up there for so. Okay, well, there, there. We looking for a t check it out. Yeah, we will. We will get it on finding emo podcom when we have it, and we'll tweet and put on instagram and all that kind of stuff. So we are going to come on t shirts. If you're interested in grabbing one, you can. You can wear it. When people ask you what finding emo is, you can say it's this pop punk podcast I lest. Yeah, that works too. Yeah, but caught. You should know that. So we retweet it from our twitter account. But Kyle has another business. He's an entrepreneur, extraordinary beat me up, Scott Ti's, and they have a great shirt they just release. So it's true. Wow. Well, that's where the finding emo shirt will be. Yes, it'll be on that site eventually, but we'll just hyper link through right, right, that's a segue. Yeah, yeah, so that's it for us. Let us know. Let us know your opinions, on our opinions, and if you, if you want to, you can also give us one of those five star reviews on itunes. We like those. Well, it's actually not not on itunes anymore. It's on...

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