Finding Emo
Finding Emo

Episode 51 · 2 months ago

Ep051 - From Under The Cork Tree by Fall Out Boy

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Let's talk about this monster of a record, ok? Fall Out Boy went multi-platinum with their 2005 sophomore effort, and we have lots of opinions. It might be the first time a song has been nominated for Nobody's Perfect by one host, and Desert Island Song by another. 

Notes:

Well finding emo. Our podcast we're talking about our favorite albums from the early aughts and they're abouts. I said that differently this time. I don't really know what happened, but anyway, right, yeah, it's good. That just got in the habit broke it. Today we are talking about the gigantically successful follow out boy, sweating album, successful, fairly to very successful, entitled from under the Court Tree. Let's do it. I did the research for this one. Release date, may third, two thousand and five label island records. Obviously we know the guys in the band. We've talked about fall out boy before. Talked about take the super grave on a previous episode, which you cannot find right now because we're in a copyright dispute with their label. They're wrong, though they are used here, so we'll see if this one gets memory hold as well. But also their loss. Yeah, they're loss. That's all I was trying to say. Come on, we're just heaping praise upon your regis. Jack up those those numbers, man the yeah, they're going to sell some records and you know, I guess they don't want that. So producer Neil Avron, who initially turned the job down by the way his quote was. When I first heard the demos, I wasn't blown away, but it's such a oh gotta that ouch. Is it that that's always a good sign when you have to beg a producer to do your record, you know it's you know things are going well. That's like a totally valid nor. You know, like you have a normal comment, but why don't hurt more than you suck? Yeah, well, I mean, I can. So weirds not blown away by this. I've never we've never dealt with this, I guess, or at least I haven't, and I suppose there is a bit of like courtship that goes into trying to get the producer, and Neil Averron successful this point. He's done ocean avenue and some other really big albums and so, you know, I'm sure you're getting pitched like a million things and to be fair, maybe those demos didn't include any of the hit songs. You know what I mean? I can see why you'd be like, I don't know, but I think he I'm gonna Guess he does not regret taking the job eventually, because this album makes him some some scratch. If he was getting points, which you know, you would think you would. So yeah, Neil Avron, great producer, one of my favorite engineers and he did this record. So here are some facts about the album. Again, wikipedia not as helpful, but I did find obviously way more articles about this album than some of the other albums we do, just because the nature of people were excited about it and sophomore album a little easier to get on people's radar when you had a fairly successful first album and then it is when you're just unknown person. But here's some fun facts, some of which I just did myself. There are a hundred fifteen words in the titles alone. That is nearly eleven per song if you average that out compared to futures. The last album we did on this podcast, it had nineteen total words and the titles, or one point seven two per song title. There's only matters because it's just a stupid thing and I hated that I had to type all of these lyrics out so that I can read out the song titles when we play the clips. So that's just more of a personal vendetta that I have right now against these song titles, because I'm going to not there's no way I'm going to say I'm all right because I literally can't see the full time on right spotify up in front of me and I cannot see the full titles at full width on my browser. So that's kind of kind of silly, not really an important fact of the album. Two point five million US cells seven million worldwide. That is a lot of records. Quam Mollie, that's a lot of records all the time. And in two thousand and five, you know, at the sort of the I don't know for it, the peak of were weird, the peak of illegal downloading, right. I mean that's pretty much the top of the mountain. Two Thousand and five and you're still seven selling seven, seven million copies for a punk rock band from Chicago. That's that's legit. I honestly did not. I knew this album sold a lot of record. I didn't know it's old. Seven million worldwide. That's a lot and, by the way, take this to your grave. Sold two hundred thousand total. So that's a big leap. We've they basically blew that out of the water in week and when they like week one like easy on this one. So they were quoted when said we knew that if we didn't change between take this here grave and the next record, we probably never would. And so they kind of took it as an opportunity to I don't know, I don't feel like they shifted insane...

...amounts, but they did go okay, what do we want to do? That's ourselves, because I think you could say that the first record had some great songs, but it wasn't terrible. There wasn't anything about take this to your grave. In my opinion, that set them way apart from other like pop, pop punk bands totally in the genre. Where's this record get a lot more of their influence on, you know, from other genres. You know, obviously stump is clearly influenced by stuff like motown and a lot of stuff like that, and to kind of get that influence in here. So they basically just said, hey, we're going to this is the time to do this. We don't want to get pigeonholed into something we don't want to be for forever, and so they kind of do that. So midway through, so their midway throughout production on this. They recorded out in California in February two thousand and five. This is something I did not know, obviously I like follow why I didn't pay attention to the personal drama. I guess wince attempted suicide. So he spent a week in the hospital and then move back with his parents in Chicago and eventually returned back to Burbank to continue work on the album. So you know, there's some lyrics on here that are I would have said that they were being without that context I would have thought they were a little bit I can't think of the right word, but almost like insensitive, almost in a way. But then you know then with that story you go okay, it makes a little bit more sense now, but obviously that's a pretty dark thing to go through, would imagine. But came out on the other side and then his penis in it up all over the Internet. So yeah, you don't that's about out there, but they literally put that out there. So that specific incident leads to the lyrics for seven mins in heaven halfway through the record, just specifically. I think most of the record was already written at that point, but that is one that he sided is that it actually released two kind of a slow start as far as like it's not like it came out the gate swinging with that. But then that video for sugar, we're going down swinging, are sure we're going down, came out and which was just a weird video with the guy with the antlers and stuff, but it was constantly playing on whatever channels were playing music videos that point, fuse, MTV, the o show, whatever version of it actually TV, because all the time request total request live right wasn't yeah, yeah, Ye, are they yeah, they end up on trl and I mean it just blew them up. By August it was gold. So it comes out in in May, no respectable start, but then by August is gold, by September it's platinum and then it just keeps going from there. So that single is a big deal for them, I would say, and I would say I would say they glad that one made it on the record. That's kind of my facts. I mean, honestly, there's not a lot of like interesting production notes or anything about the record that I found that was worth yapping about, as much as I like you happen about that kind of stuff. It's you know, they had a good producer, wrote some good songs, went to studio, got it done. I mean that's how you're supposed to do it. So obviously there's this their first major label deview two. So they you know, previous was fueled by Raman and right, yeah, right, yeah, right, right, feel by Raman. But they had kind of the deal that you get back then where it's like we get the option to do the next record, and island did go ahead and do that record and made lots of money. So good for them. Let's go to first impressions. Let's just talk about what our thoughts are. If you know, when get back in our mental state from two thousand and five, Kyle, it's pretty first what are your what were your first impressions back in the day? So I think I got this screwed up on the last one and I think you told me I got it wrong, but I think you and I do that. I think you and I were in New Mexico playing at the time. That's why possible, but at least around the time, and then we went and bought the record and I was annoyed by Pete Wentz. I liked I liked fallout boy, I liked take this to your grave. I liked it, but I was apprehensive. And what's it's weird to me because I feel like there was just so much hype around them, even though I know this record was huge. It's like I feel like the hype machine was already, you know, in full effect before this thing came out, and so I was kind of like apprehensive and I thought that you and Steve made me listen to it, like just listen to it, it's going to be good. And then I heard, I remember hearing sugar,...

...we're going down. It's like, okay, well, pretty excellent. There it is, man, that's a that's a good one. Good opportunity to talk about is I would think you'd be enthusiastic about a bass player kind of being the spokesperson for it's not bad. It's the thing we talked about last time. I think it's so pretentious that he's like a bass player and lyricist. I'm lyricist. Yeah, no one else says that. Even the head songwriter doesn't say, yeah, I write the songs, Oh, and I write the lyrics. Yeah, okay, THY cares. But do you think it's because Patrick had no desire to be the spokesperson for the band, like he didn't want to be the traditional lead singer, and so Pete's like I can be that guy and that's just a question you're going to get asked all the time. Is like they know he's a lyric cry so it does make me wonder if it's like a cycle and but I don't know, I'm just trying well defend the guy maybe. And also, I think, I mean clearly they knew what they were doing, right, because, oh, they yeah, they got gigantic. I mean Pete, Pete Is. I mean I I have heard a lot of great stories about the guy. He's clearly charming, handsome dude, like they know what they were doing in the way that they masked them very smart. It just did it just did not work on me. That's okay, you were probably and he got loaded on the on the panic record. Just made money out of the ear. Yeah, if someone's going to rip you off, you might as well make the money off of it. That's kind of my opinion. But but I was apprehensive because of all that, because I just I feel like that's I don't know, maybe I'm old fashioned in that, like when you're a band, you're a band. You guys all make the music and you know that, that you guys know that. Like I'm a songwriter. I always wrote all the songs and I still feel that way. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I here's where I was gonna. I was playing devil's advocate for sure and taking a side, but I just remembered that on the rerelease of take this to your grave, they rearrange the names on the album to be him up front instead of instead of the order that the pictures in, which is what originally was about. that. And Yeah, and so I'd for kind of forgotten about we talked about that on the last episode and that's clearly an ego move. There's no other there's no other reason to do that other than I am more important than the other members of this band. Yeah, and to be fair, maybe he is, but I I'm with you. I would not do that myself. But I feel like you're right that all of these decisions made them way more money and popularity than they would have had if they didn't make those decisions. So I can't begrudge them. Also, I don't know. I mean there's no other time I see fit for us to talk about this in the podcast, so I'll throw it out there now. But do you guys remember how much like along with the hype. There was a lot of there was a there was there were legends about this record being made and I had just kind of around this time, familiarize myself with some labels and the processes in which some bigger bands make albums. And, in case people don't know this, there are albums that you love would studio musicians on them. And I remember right, lots of rumors about this record. We had yes, and you know, I remember they played. I think it was the MTV music awards and they like played outside right after this and it was horrible. They're not so live so bad, and they're not, but it all, but it lended credence to that theory, which was like, did these guys really play? Well, the story was that that Patrick was the only one that played on the record. Now I believe that. I actually do believe that. Yeah, and also, I feel like I have to say this because it sounds like I'm talking crap now, I would tell anyone who cares right like sorry, Patrick and Andy like yeah, that's weird. Yet now I'd be like, like, he could play the record. So Patrick played it all yus. That's yeah, that's that's what people do. Well, I mean, I mean to be completely there's always a guy like that in a band. Totally almost all the time. In christallized band is our lead singer, Danny. He was the musical kind of nut, I mean, for lack of a better word, he just had these things in his head and yeah, if you were paying for studio time, I don't have time for you to teach me the thing and then you play it. You just play it like I'll learn it for the live shows. It doesn't care. I mean, I don't care, it doesn't matter, but I can see why that would be punch to the gut if you're the other guys that aren't playing on the record. I mean, I get that. That's I get it. There's there's always egos involved and you want to be on the record. I mean I personally love recording. Some people don't. Some people really don't have the patience for it and don't like it. So I would definitely believe that Patrick played most of the instruments on the record. That would not shock me, because he's the guy that's sitting on garage band writing all these songs, like he's the one that arranges all this stuff and they they openly talk about that. So it makes sense that...

...he would play a bunch on it. And Yeah, I've seen them live and they are not a while, I'm sorry. I've seen them play Letterman live. I've not seen them actually like I was at the taping. I've not seen like an actual, honest to goodness rock show of them, oddly enough, but I've never heard anything great like. I don't think they're. I think they put more into the show, into the moving around thing, than they did to playing their instruments well, which is fine. That was, I think, also a decision they made. But you know, Chris, what are your thoughts on the first, first impressions of the record? Back in the day? The height machine was definitely redd up for it like within the scene. I don't know if people outside of music really cared about volow by that time, but no, not yet for sure. But in yeah, all turn to press and that kind of a whole crowd. You're FRY, for sure. Yeah, I don't remember. You know, we had played a few shows with the guys before they release this record and we thought they were really cool. We at the ranch bowl, Omahana brass are right, and in this place called the axeon and Houston and, you know, mutual friend of being blake's well forever bandsh Aaron from Omaha, like remember. She kind of was like dating the Guitar Tech That wasn't around for those shows, by the way. No, you did play those shows on you. I think you met, you knew know, I knew Aaron for sure. Yeah, I wasn't out that. I was clarifying that. I was right at these shows with fall a boy, right, and I mean they they seem down to earth and cool. But like when Alan came out, I mean I probably bought it the day it came out. I don't, I just don't remember. You mean the day before our twenty one birthday, right, true, it would have been, yes, my twenty one birthday. There's a lot going on. I remember. Good. Blame. No, no, two thousand and five. You guys are all now. No, it's our twenty one birthday, but like, oh, are you now lying about your age? Vodkas, now I'm lying about my math ability and all those out show. Wait a minute, I was twenty two. But we were also getting ramped up for our like our little moment where we were actually doing stuff, a lot of stuff yeah, so I don't. I just don't think my mind was on anything other than just like writing songs, practicing doing shows. So I just don't remember. But I do remember like hearing the very first song and thinking it was like pretty good, and I totally remember anything else. Yeah, I remember I really like the bass tone to the point where I brought the record with me to California and I kind of know we were done a song. We're done. Yeah, we released the EP a month after this. That's probably why you don't remember, is because we were trying to get ready to release a record ourselves. Okay, well, that makes sense. Yeah, because I barely remember, I just remember really liking I do know that I liked beat Pete Space Tone. It was great on this record. Well, that Pete, but he probably didn't. Whoever ever may have sat here and play four chords every yeah, we did it. Do nothing interesting for the whole album. But what you make it sound cool. Okay, says amply cool. So I mean, I'm kind of in I similarly, similarly, cannot remember like the day the record came out. I remember bits and pieces of like I remember listening to it driving through my old neighborhood and stuff like. I have some specific memories about that, but I think we probably we were in the depth of like we were releasing an EP like one month after this came out, so I'm sure we were like heads down trying to get ready for that. I mean, I think that the first thing I remember talking to you about Chris was, I think Neal Avron said, Andy, you've got to stop playing so much, because he's a great drummer, but he the fills were a little too over the top on take this to your grave, and they're great on this record, like every fill is great, every drum part is great, like I really love it, and it's not that it's like he was bad at the feels he's, like I said, he's a great drummer, but it can be too much, like you don't always have to play at a hundred percent of the speed and the and the ability that you can do. Sometimes it's nice to sit back a little bit, which I think he did, and I think that makes a huge difference on letting the melodies shine a little bit more, which they are very, very good at, like so, and that's also, you know, drum parts. You know I love drums. I love a good drummer as much as the next guy. I've been very fortunate to play with a lot of great drummers and I never take them for granted. But I also know that a drummer can very easily distract from the other more important things in a song which to draw. Drums are never the most important part of a song almost ever, and that's okay. So...

I feel like that was the first thing I noticed. was like hey, they see simplified as playing enough for it to be like interesting, but not taking my focus away from everything else that's going on. And I we we almost never talk about these records before we get on this podcast, but right kyle did text one thing that he didn't like the guitar tones on this record. I actually think they're cool enough since that they went drum sounds. Oh, I like the drums. I love the guitar tone. I misunderstood then. Sorry, none of the drought. The drum sounds, I feel like. I feel like they sound kind of small considering how much I'm sure went into this record. Well, I think they kind of have to when you make the guitars be that grungy and then they guitars are kind of straight up s grunge sounding, but then playing punk rock parts. And I think it's an interesting decision because Neal Avron is normally, like most of his records sound like pristine. Yeah, more polished for sure, like super polished. And the I think he's kind of another one of those guys that does great rock guitars, like we talked about Gil Norton on the futures episode and other ones. I think no, Avroli'm also really good. And now arruns just like a great engineer, like I've mentioned before. He did wallflowers bring down the horse, which is one of my favorite records, but also sonically it's just fantastic, like I mean put it in the headphones. It sounds amazing, and he was the engineer on that record, on the producer. But Anyway, I think that it's an interesting decision as the band and the and to kind of go like no, we don't want to sound just like because like ocean avenue sounds phenomenal. Right, I mean that record sounds so good it's almost like too perfect. Not I'm not dogging on it or anything like that. No, but I like that they were kind of like no, we want to be a little more grimy, and I think it was a good decision because I think it gave them some credibility. Oddly enough, you know how everyone just calls you a sell out the second you make a record that sounds like a million bucks, and this record sounds really good, but it doesn't sound like it's overproduced, and I think that was the right decision and I think it was on purpose. I don't think that they accidentally did that. That's what I say. I think you're totally right. I think, I do believe, because it's Neil, that it was a decision. Guys like that don't like make accidents. That's premeditated right. Yeah, not an accident. Yeah, this is how they wanted it to sound. Definitely. Yeah, or and and so I liked it. I mean I thought basically the songwriting got better. I really I think that basically, from take this to your grave to this, they wrote some better songs, I mean some really great songs, and then and then just dialed back, well, dialed back some of the playing. It's not as busy, it's not as frantic. It feels a little bit more structured, and they also dialed up the like not musicianships, not the right thing. But they like figured out like, Oh, we can like be more dramatic dynamically if we don't play all the time and we're not just going hundred miles an hour, because take this to your grave is like a hundred miles an hour the whole time. You know. Yeah, and it kind of slows down in a couple little spots and this one has way more nuances, even just in in the songs themselves, but definitely as a whole album. So I think they just improved as a band, which is what you're supposed to do, and and they just happen to make a really good sophomore record and I think it basically deserves all the success it had and I think that they did exactly what they needed to do for their second record. And so Kudos for all the right things happening. And you know, it's like how close are you to that not happening because Pete tries to kill himself? You know, it's like right, you just go like the whole what if machine is kind of crazy there. If you go, what happens if, in the middle of the record, your spokesperson for the band, the face of the band is dead. I don't know, just like it could have gone a totally different direction. So I'm glad that. I'm glad that didn't work out the way he was trying, trying to make it work out. But and then, in my opinion, this record. There are so many bands that don't exist if this record doesn't exist. So for that alone it's impressive. Absolutely. Yes, Pawonda, whole genre. Yeah, I mean like panic the disco was obviously one of them, the main five seconds of summer. Any of those kind of bands that really kind of blurred the lines more between like what's pop, what's Punk, what's rock like and not in a I don't like all those bands that I just listed. I think they're all lesser imitations of what fault was doing, but they certainly don't have careers without because probably kind of shifted what was kind of the blank way to owning what came before. I kind of feel like, if that will anythink that's fair. Absolutely, and there's nothing more frustrating than getting compared to abandon you're like actually, a we might be a might have been a band longer than the like getting compared fault to follow boys...

...like they're not like new you'r. they're not on old band getting compared to greend are Blin way to at least those bad started the s. But right, yeah, but that was they were. They were like the you know, instead of an adhesive strip, it's a bandaid. They were like the, you know, the faces of Pop punk. Everybody was getting compared to them, and this album becomes kind of the poster child of the emo kind of thing, that label because of the titles, in the lyrics, I think mostly, I mean that's really where it all comes down from, but I also think a lead singer that can sing down, you know. Yeah, I mean that that was a game changer. And what's what was weird to me. What's weird about their influence is that it was instant, like we instantly had bands that sounded I mean you're talking about with did months. We have instantly had bags that sounded like fallout boy and, I feel like the other bands. You know, you could tell when a band was influenced by blank Hunand and eighty two and green day. But like it, I guess it took longer and they were nobody was like. I guess nobody wanted a another blank one hundred and eighty two or or another green day. It's well, like people wanted more of this. I might be miss this, might be anecdotal and not me misremembering things or something, but I feel like there were more bands that already existed and when blank way two blew up, it was kind of like who is who else is a band that sounds like this and anyway snatched up that tached rockets, toll and and a little. But all those bands existed. They were already doing their thing. Yes, they were in the same genre, but they weren't. and they might have been influenced by blank way too, but like it's not like they were like they heard into the state and went and created a band that then became the next point, where whereas I feel like post this album there were bands that were not bands before, and also, like painting this cool did not exist until this record was written and recorded, and then they were like that's what we want to do. And I mean panic is the easy one. I feel like, dude, I really feel like they strongly influenced all time low, especially definitely stuff. Definitely just yeah, big time so and so, which is fine. I mean, like I'm not. You know, we were always writing a record when Jimmy at world just came out with a record. So guess what we sounded like? Right, like, you know. And it's just the kind of the natural thing that happens. Sometimes you're not even trying to emulate them or copy or just like that's what you're listening to all the time. If you're writing music and recording you're gonna be influenced by stuff listen to. All totally. Yeah, but I just think it was a pretty big I could tell that it was a big deal. I don't I remember liking it a lot. I don't remember being like I was never I always really liked fall out boy, but I was not like at the fandom level. I said, I've not seen him live. It's not like me with Jimmy world or other bands that I just like. You know, I'm just waiting, I can't, you know. It's like just spinning the album over and over and over again. I'm sure I did spend this a lot back then but, like I said, I don't really remember like buying it at the store and popping it in the CD player the first time. But but it's a good record. I mean that was. I know my first impression was that, because I don't know how it couldn't be if you, if you were paying attention to this back then. So let's jump to track by track then just get right into it, since we've got all these titles that I've got to read out. Luckily, first one, our lawyer made us change the name of this song so we wouldn't get sued. Here we go, says. So a couple fun facts. I did look it up because at first I was like, did they just write this title without actually having a lawyer tell them they did? The original tide of really was my name is David Roffett and these are the temptations. They were like, nope, don't even, don't do it. It's so they really did have to change the name of siddle. And as much as I would have maybe said a couple weeks ago when we were supposed to have record this episode but we keep getting delayed, I would have said like I don't love it as a first track, but it was in my head all weakened on repeated the lake. I just like that clip was just looping over and over in my head. So there's something about it that that I'm into but yeah, it's I don't know, it doesn't blow me out of the water still, but it was in my head all weekend. So what do you think I'll open?...

But I think it's great. I love the line only liars, but we're the best, and I I really love that. One of the things listen real listening to this record I'll probably mention a lot is whether it was a studio musician or whether it was what's the rhythm guitarist named? I just totally forgot. Joe Trulyo truely something. Anyway, Joe, Joe t truman, Joey T try we te. So there are a ton of Second Guitar Parts on this record that are really cool and I love that driving on this one. You've got. It's such a poppy kind of, you know, Bob Your head song and I love that driving secondary guitar part that's kind of going the whole time. I think it's awesome, great, I kind of triplet thing done and I love it. And Yeah, it's I think, I think it's I think it's a good opening track. I'm into it. But the drums are a great example of what I was talking about. Oh, totally dude, that bat he would have been doing fills between all of those lyric lines in the chorus. On take this year grave and I like that they're just like Nope, you're going to play this simple beat and it's going to be better. It's going to make everything stand out a lot more. Chris, what are your thoughts on the first truck? I love it. A good opening chat. Anytime you start a song with brothers and sisters, you've a yeah, the great thing little little borrowing from Neil Diamond Dialy, which is a good guy to borrow from if you'RE gonna IF YOU'RE gonna Borrow, borrow from Neil diamond, smart move. And it's got this like, it had this like it had a very odd, shrunk song structure that I thought was really you know, at first I was like, wait, was that the verse? That was it? It's like so fast, but it's like a verse Frea course course, but just like you know, oozing with hooks. Fantastic. I don't know about the camera clicks. I thought that was a little pretentious, but whatever. Well, here's a good point, though, that I wanted to bring up and I want maybe it's not a good point, but it's it's there's a good point of it might not be a good point. It's really a lawyer. I'm about to end this case. Let me just give it a second. It's a relevant point to that that note, I I think that they deliberately took a page out of hiphop's book, like on purpose, and said that's what we're going to go for, like having that level of ego and and that kind of thing, because that was all, you know, hip hop and as always been about, you know, spitting lyrics about being on private jets when you don't have an album at yet and all a sudden you're doing the math. You like, wait a minute, he wasn't rich and made this record before he was successful. But it's all about like the kind of height machine and hyping yourself up, and I feel like the lyrics here are kind of like that, but they're still tongue in cheek enough, because it says we're only good because you have almost famous friends. I know. So it is kind of like it's the pisses me off is he always got to play the all chucks card, but also like the Super Ego card, and he righted at he pulled it off and it's it was, yeah, but they did. I mean that's the thing, and I think it was all on purpose and I plant it's pretty smart and it worked pretty well for him. So I mean that's it. Those are two lyrics that are very sort of intertwined with each other. And when it's when it's Pete writing the lyrics and being the face of the band in most interviews and all that kind of stuff, it's a one man operation, PR operation. Essentially, it's kind of smart. I in hindsight, I I did not give enough credit to people that did that kind of stuff, like the smart marketing of being in a band. I just didn't. I was just all about the grind, essentially, and like handing flyers and like, you know, try like slinging CDs after the show and all this stuff, and like I probably could have let loose and done a little more stick, you know. I mean, like it probably wouldn't have killed anyone and wouldn't have been selling out and it might have sold some more records, but I was stubborn and Pete was smarter than I was. So therefore he sold some of seven million records and I did not. Yeah, let's go to a track to slightly shorter, of all the GIN joints in all the world. Inside time. Sid Kyle, you first. What are your thoughts on track too, of all the ginjoints and all the world? Well, you know how much I like a good whoa, and so doesn't. I mean you, they got that going for him. I'm man,...

I'm going to talk about the guitars again and also it bumps me out because I also I've not seen them live and I like their music quite a bit. So it bums me out that they are not great life, because one of the things I really appreciate about appreciated about this record and hindsight, while listening to it the last few weeks, was like, man, there really are they could. There's two guitar parts going on and they're both great and they could put like it's not just insane with stacks and tracks like they could play that live, and so it's unfortunate that maybe they can't. Yeah, they're just jumping around stage too much. That's really what it boils down to. You can't play those parts and be flailing around the stage. It's kind of hard. And singing and all the stuff. You know. Yeah, all of those things Chris, were you at on track to this? This one was stuck on my head all week. That, I mean I just yeah, and I don't really good song. God. Yeah, and the that that kind of drum shuffle thing going on with a guitar stops it just it's great seite track to like it comes out of that first one into this song and yeah, Bam, Bam. So I'm super into it. Another another funny title to title. Yeah, I mean it's a it's a really good second track. I mean I, like I said, I didn't dislike the opening track. They're just it didn't totally grab me, but the second track I'm in, like it's yeah, yeah, I know, it's like we're it's like an escalation happening here. Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah, it's definitely doubt. Yeah, it's a good song and I feel like there's really nothing I would complain about in this song. Like it's well done, well instruments, great song, great melodies, wollows. I mean, it's got lots of stuff to sing along with and they're just really good at coming up with parts that are sing along Abole, sing along able adjective. We're going to say. I think we've decided it is okay, that's fine. The shortest title are well, I mean or at least tied for shortest title. Dance, dance track three. Let's do it. Third Track, second single, I'm pretty sure. Chris. What are your thoughts on it? I've always hated this song. Are you serious? Yes, I don't know why. Yeah, I've always hated this song. I'm so sorry anyone likes it. I would not have gone to you. First off, I would have known that. That's interesting. I had no idea. I think it's the falsetto and just that word day it's being repeated soreny times. It's just always hit me wrong. I mean I don't turn it off when it comes on, but I just I'm always cringing a little bit. Just just rubs me wrong. And when I like look at it like as a as a former songwriter and as a musician, in the fact that it's very popular, like I cannot figure out why it hits me Weird. I just can't. I don't like that they go miner on the third song, like it's like a kind of a minor darker SID is. It's yeah, and and at the falsetto and that part you played. I was like, that's a great guitar part. Why is this annoy me so much? Are you mad because he's singing about falling apart too halftime but not playing halftime? Yeah, I do feel like that's always there, that that did. That pisses me off to but yes, that because, I mean, I know halftime is a is a a musical term, but is yeah, yeah, yeah, I would have gone to halftime. If I say the word halftime, right, right, right, that would have been a repeat. They do. I don't like you apologizing. I'm not sorry. I don't know. You can to have any opinion want to hear. It's interesting, though, Chris, because this is like how about the state the correct opinion? Who? So, yeah, here's a good point. Not what that's interesting that you feel that way. I mean, I do I get your points about like going to the kind of minor song on the third song. It feels kind of weird, especially after the last one. But like placement maybe wise. But what's funny is that in not I don't think you did this at all, but like our your song, eat your heart out is similar to this song in the sense that it's in a minor key. It's got a bassline intro, you know, like that. No one would be like they you ripped anyone off. But it's just interesting that, like you wrote, it's got some so song from our band that had a lot of the same markers and was the was one of the songs that people liked a lot in...

...our band. So it's interesting that like this song that's very much in that vein. You were not into that one, but that's fine. It's closer to half time, actually it is. We actually might have played half time in there, but we didn't have the lyrics, so doesn't make it as cool. Kyle, what are your thoughts on dance? Dance? So spoilers. I I hated this song when it first came mind, but but I love it now. And so you know, like no, I I are in actually, I think I grew. I think it grew on me pretty quick, but I hated it when it first came out. I was like no, how I do not like this, and it was like green eggs and ham, you know, like no, no, it won't do it, do not like this. And now I'm like man, I mean even the things that Chris mentioned, the freaking the guitar part on the versus insane. I mean it's so awesome. I mean I does Piss me off that they don't go to halftime, but but no, I think it's great song. I think the Chord progressions alone in this song are great, like you could just take away everything else. I think he this is really where I go like Oh, he's got some like he interesting chops. This isn't just him like playing Bar Chords. Yeah, kind of Pop punk. It's like got really interesting chord structure stuff going on in it. And and I think it was the first one that I, you know, heard and was like Oh, like, that's like a complicated song in and I don't I have no problem with simple songs, like at all. Like I'm not one of these guys that's like, oh, that's too rudimentary. Like I think a simple pop song is the hardest thing to write. I think you love baby shark, love it, but you know, it's to be able to write a good pop song that's also got some cool, complicated stuff going on that like on a second and third and twenty listen, you're like catching things that are cool about it. Yeah, I was never on the hate this song. Train for sure. I mean I might have reluctantly hated that. I loved it, but you know, because it was just so God just dripping with you just knew when you heard this song, like they're going to make so much money, like you just knew it was going to before it was a single. You knew it was going to make them money. Like I remember thinking that, like that's a great song. It's definitely the second single. I think is the second single. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, and it was even big, like way big. Oh, it was huge and I tried so hard to find it. Guys, back then fuse used to run these commercials where they animated what they interpreted the lyrics of fall out boy songs to be, and they had what this one's called Dad's dance, and it was so funny I scoured the Internet for it and could not find it. So, if you are a listener out there and confined the dad's dance parody videos like a thirty second or two a minute long animated video with like the lyrics bouncing across the bottom that are all wrong, but it's it. But there it's like bad lip reading the NFL stuff. It's like it's so close to what because no one knows what he's saying half the time. He's not not a big annunciator on a lot of these lyrics, which I always wondered. Is that because he doesn't like to an unciate while singing, or was he embarrassed off some of the lyrics? I always wondered if it was like, you know, it's hard to sing lyrics that you didn't write. Sometimes I feel like but that I've got it, like I'm sending it to you now. You found it. How read it round like thirty two. It's read it. That's where you gotta go. Okay, that's always where you find stuff like put that in the show notes because it was. It was they did it for that and they did it for some other songs that there's and they were always really funny and so yeah, I really strongly suggest checking out that link in the show notes. That will put in there. But yeah, I think it's a great song. I was definitely not with you all, but we're hating. No, I was not hating on this song. I might have hated that they're gonna make them so much money, but that is more of a jealousy thing, not of a not of a great add saster. That's different. Yeah, yeah, all right. Well, let's go to sugar. We're going down the first single this week. Chris, did you? Did you hate this one too or know? You already told if she liked this one, right or no? This...

...is an amazing song. I didn't even put in notes down. I was like because I just I already. You know, I can just like speak for the heart. It's it, Dude, how they're there? There there moments we usually record. If you didn't know it, didn't guess. We usually record this podcast late at night and there are times where we do an albumer or here a song clip, and then I'm like vibrating the rest of the night after we get done because I took a sleep. Feel yeah, I just feel like a kid again, you know, like a this song takes me right back to that time, and only an amazing song could do that. It's the drum build up, like hearing on the radio the first time. It's like it's just a perfect, perfect, perfect first single. The background vocals in the chorus that we were, we the lead guitar parts just so epic. And starting off with am I more that you bargain for another just epic opening line. This is a freaking is a tune for the ages. There's not a wasted second of this song. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, every every melody is amazing. All in our parts are cool. The could you can kind of hear, especially if you got headphones on, those kind of guitar parts in the verses when he's singing over the so cool line of the grass next to the mausoleum. There's really cool parts going on and that drum part is is as close is I would put that in the look this is it's very much walk this wayish in the sense that, like, you can play that drum part and everyone knows what's coming. Like you know, you can literally hear just the kick on this, so you and you know what song it was. Like it's completely identifiable and again, like that's better than this crazy fill that, like you know, we like, but like it's not the thing that everyone's are drumming to that opening part right. I mean, like, how could you not? It's so great. Everything about it is so freaking good. Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? Yeah, pretty good song. This song sold me on this band. Like I liked the first record, fine, but this song did it, man. It was like, Holy Crap, this this is insane. And you're right. They don't waste a second that that freaking lead guitar during the versus, and I don't even know if you can call it lead because it's just down so quiet, but it's awesome. The background vocals on the chorus, the bass tone in dude. So also, this song pisses me off. There's something about it that makes me so mad. Oh, first I want to say I'm just so notching your bedpost, but you're just a line in a song. Such a good line. What a job, Pete. Way To go, Pete. And I feel like I need to build them up because I am going to tear them down later. That's so. That's a great yeah, I had the same no, that's a great line. And what is the song is full of great line. Yes. So what pisses me off about this song is they did something so that's feel so unoriginal. But it was original because every single band that was playing live shows at this time ended their songs in this way live, but nobody recorded. They're ending that way. That Jan Danda, you know, I'm talking about. And like with the retarded. Yes, our part, yes, they were, and on the way that you're allowed to say it, by the way. Yes, yes, yes, but like, no, everyone was doing that. You ended all your songs like that live and they just recorded it. And you know what? It's said in stone. That's fallout, boy that they they may as well have invented it, because, like that's what you think of every time now, and it pisses me off because I'll never forget them. It was a brilliant decision. Yeah, I'll never forgive them. Okay, we got to talk about one lyric, though, that just baffles me to this day. So the lushing in the chorus, and well know that I actually really like that love and I love the isn't it messed up? How I'm just dying to be him. Like, I love that line too. I actually really like a lot of lyrics. But what the heck is a loaded God complex cocking and pull it? Why is that line not gun? It doesn't it never everyone thought it was gunn is almost like he put the word God in there too, but like that's not a thing. Is that, as a loaded God complex, a thing? And cockon pot I mean, I guess I get what he's trying to do with it. It's just kind of weird, right am I? I think he's me. I think he's just trying to do a turn of phrase. You know you're right, but it's not like that kind with you. It's harsh. It's like it's not that clever. Yeah, I mean because like I don't know it. I get what he's trying to say, I guess, but it was just so funny that it never even sounded like that. So everyone was singing loaded gun complex. That's what everyone's saying, because what else would the lyric be? He says cocking and pullet right afterwards. So I get he's trying to do but that was a stretch for me. That was that that. If I have a complain about this song, it would be that lyric. Really, the rest of it, I...

...just think be as like I said, from the very beginning of it to the very end of it is well thought out and so many great melodies, great background vocals, Great Guitar Parts, Great Bass Parts, great drump parts, just really like I can't think of anything other than my slight critique of a couple lyrics that I can like even pull out of a hat to have a complain about. It's a rule what stinks as we can only blame pete for that. It's true. He was not, like I'm the COLIRISIS. It's only him now and made it. He made it very clear and everyone else was. While I may like roll my eyes at some of the lyrics here, you know, like I don't love all of his stuff. I think he is super clever and has some really good stuff, but sometimes he swings and misses. But everyone else ate it up. I mean it. I would say the lyrics had not as much to do with everything else going of the songs, but they were probably just right below everything else that went in these songs. Like, I think, as far as like the critical, another critical, but like the fan reaction to it and the real and people were just eating this up, and so kudos. They did the right thing. So let's go to track five. Nobody puts baby in the corner. Look, nothing comes as easy as you can they and you bet all day I'll be kyle. Let's go to you first. I have a feeling I know what you're going to say, but let's see if I can guess it. Well, is it that you just caught the end of that flipping sweet guitar part coming in? Well, I know I could. I wanted to get so much more of this song because it's really good, but I did try to get that little bit there. Man, I always feel pressure, Blake, when you tell me know what I'm you know what I'm going to say. I'm going to say that it kicks but and I love I'll be your best kept secret in the biggest mistake. What a freaking line. Sorry, I had BOP. I bought it is a bomb. It is about what I thought you were going to say. Yeah, I know, I agree with you, Chris, where you at on this track? Best kept secret in your biggest mistake was definitely in my head all week, just over and over and over. Yeah, I then. Yeah, it's hard not to get these songs stuck in ahead of CRAPP. He says after that it's a good tune. And Yeah, the guitar part is freaking sweet, man. I wrote the hand behind this pin relives a fit, relives a failure every day in that right, something like that. Right. But yes, nice job, mouthful man. I could not have that without the lyrics in front of me you have in front of you, cow, I'm not looking at them, I promise. Man. That's wow, that's pretty good. I didn't. I honestly a lot of time for listening this record. I had to look at the lyrics for a lot of the parts that I've never known what he was saying. Oh, absolutely, yeah, and that would be one of that setting modify and apple music. Yeah, yeah, where you can just read them to you know. Yeah, and you know what, I didn't realize until doing that and because, again, I'm the guy that pays less attention the lyrics most the time, but like a lot of this records about sex, Oh yeah, bound and nothing comes as easy as you was like, Oh wow, that's pretty bold subtle, when some might means something else up, but I didn't catch it until I was like actually looking at the lyrics. I'm like, oh, that's two different thoughts that bump up next to each other. Dud. I think it's a really good song and in fact it's like it's hard sugar. We're going down as a huge, massive single for them. It's a fantastic song and I almost think they take it up a notch with this one. Like I don't think I'm crazy to say that. There's like amazing vocal parts going on and then bridge that I played like very super creative, like you know, Oh wait, let me try this and layer these vocals on top of each other and it like it's such a good chorus. I mean that's really fun. It would be so fun to play live. Oh my gosh, that's all a very at least just following up sugar. We're going down with a song that's good is impressive, in my opinion. I agree like it. Yeah, because you're dug out from there. Yeah, because you could just put the Freakin ballot or whatever. Yeah, after this the weird song, but they were like noe, we're going to put another Freakin pop song. I love...

...it. I think it's super cool that that pre chorus before the second chorus is basically a chorus that we only get one time in the song. It's really good. The whole well, what part is that that? I keep my jealousy close because it's all mine. That whole thing is basically a pre chorus that they only do once. Right, and know they do it over time after the but either way it's kind of a cool. I don't know, they just do some cool stuff with melodies and then go like that's all you get. You get it that one time. That's why I got because I got more great melodies coming at you. That's I don't know, I just I'm certainly jealous of the ability to write have two songs back to back on an album. They're that good. and honestly, we're going to go track six now, which is also, I think, pretty good. I've got a dark alley and a bad idea that says you should shut your mouth. Parentheses, summer song. We could have just called it summer song. Guys, you just hold this. Chris Monnier, what are your thoughts on this song that I'm not going to repeat the title of again. I refuse to do it. Read the whole thing in the parentheses and emphasizes of Parren seas and let everyone know each parenthesis mood change. Wish. I'm all about because you almost wouldn't expect that from a band like this. You'd be like they're just going to keep ringing this bell over and over whole album. Wouldn't put it past them, and they did do it. It's kind of a basic song, like for all the complicated stuff that was happening before, and the you know, it's like a pop ballad, though, and then the way everything gets brought together at the end to tie everything up. Patrick, dude, it's guy can clearly going to be a great songwriter. I mean you could see that in the moment. And he's had a prolific Sarrncre. I don't know if you guys know he does like cartoons, stuff, like he did stuff for big hero and its rider, man stario. Yes, it very prolific rider. He never stops and we we all know those are the ones that and that's what he wanted to do. That's why he didn't want to do the be the spoke firstone for the band, because he was like no, I like sitting on my computer and making music. That's what like, I'm happy doing and that's what I'm good at doing. And to know your strengths and weaknesses. And I mean he's clearly like I mean a lot of creative people like that are the introverts in the band anyway. So yeah, let the Bass player be the guy. Like it doesn't I like that they switch that. I mean it doesn't have to be the lead singer. It almost always is but it doesn't have to be, and I think that's a good I mean, we were in a band like that. Our lead singer didn't like doing that stuff and Chris and I were those people. But we weren't a gigantic band like this either, and no one you know, in interviews, people don't want to talk to them or whatever, but we were the people talking the Kiddos and that's fine. I think it's great that they figured that out. Like Hey, I can write lyrics and be the spokesperson and you can just sit there and write all the music you want to and garage band and Gosh, Garageband just I know we've talked about this before, but it just revolutionized being able to write and record, like get the ideas out of your head and on to dead thing, you know, because before little task cam for track tape, the machine was like a nightmare to work with, and all sudden you've got this thing that's free on the computer that you own and you can do as many tracks as you want to and it's got built in amps and instruments and we used it all the time on the road. You literally plug in a little Midi Keyboard and, you know, plug a guitar straight into it. It's it was unbelievable to be able to have that tool and I remember reading interview with him whereas he was like, I'm just in garage band all the time. I'm just like in there making songs, like that's what I do the dressing room, you know. And it paid off. He got way better as a songwriter because of it. So, apple, Kudos for garage band. You made all of our lives better, I think. Kyle, your thoughts on the track. I hate this song, really I hate it. It's terrible. Actually, here I'm going to say. I'm going to say what I wanted to say and and I'm I need to be brave right now. Be Brave, and I'm gonna disagree, but be brave. Well, for one, I was going to say that Patrick, can't save all your lyrics, Pete, and...

...there I was going to say, not only is this a crap sandwich, but it's a side of tatter turds. Wow, dude, I okay, not like this, but let me okay, let me, let me defend you, Finish your stance before I argue here and nail here. It is in this this is just a me thing out of all the songs that are on this record. Everything sounds so great. You could easily convince me that Pete was like Hey, so I've been working on these lyrics, Patrick, what do you think of these? Like, I don't know, once you guys play a little something, let's jam on it for a second and we'll just record it and see what happens. Like it sounds like he is making the words up as he goes to this song and it drives me insane. Well, now, the clip that you played is absolutely the best part of the song, in my opinion. The Oh, the records keep skipping, top spinning. Yeah, want some. I'm skipping in the lines just like that. That part of the song I really like. All the rest of it sounds Improv to me and I can't stand it and I blame I blame Pete. Well, okay, so, okay, I love this song. I mean, like, first of all, I mean I'm always in for the bummer song. Like I joke that one of my favorite genres of music is like sad English bands like bears din and you know, bands like that that just kind of have this sad like just sounds like it's raining outside the whole time they're writing. I like that sometimes, not all the time, but like I tend to gravitate toward those sort of not not ballady, because this isn't really a ballady it's a kind of a sad song, mid tempo kind of thing. I gravitate towards those. I will admit that mostly it's the song part of it that I gravitate towards and not like it's The chords, it's the melody, it's not the lyrics, because honestly, I had paid almost no attention to the lyrics of this song other than I did like I do, like the record won't stop skipping. The course is great lyrics, but I do agree the verses, like as I'm looking at them right now, are not great, like the like joke me something awful, just like kisses on the necks of best friends in quotes. I don't know what you're trying to say, but I think you're being too clever by half, maybe on the versus. So you're clearly more into lyrics than I am, and so bad lyrics will ruin a song for you, and they have to be very bad to ruin a song for me. I think this is great and I think that it does. Anyone know? I couldn't find anything that said like just Patrick write the songs and then like and Pete fits lyrics into it. Or is it more of a Bernie top and Melton John Thing, where he writes the lyrics and then Patrick's like forming the song around those lyrics? I don't know which direction I go. I was always under the impression that that's that at the beginning of this band, that's what it was like. was these clear expressed two record and then Patrick's writing a song around it. Yes, I mean that would make sense because I could see why the lyrical content of the song ends up being a more chill song. And Mike, you know I've never written a song like that. Would be fun to try. Like I've never had the chance to have lyrics in front of me that don't have a song to them. Yeah, sounds kind of fun, maybe incredibly hard, I don't know. I mean there are plenty of people to do it. You probably got the bones of song, like a few side ideas in your head, especially for your Patrick. You're so he's probably just always writing. So yeah, yeah, man, that would be interesting, though, but I'd so I think your points are valid, but I think it's so far from a crab sandwich because I really love it. I think it's a great just to craps hand. Now it's a bummer song. That a summer song. It's really interesting to me that's called summer song and it's like what, there's nothing that makes me want to roll the windows down on this song. And and and, but I do love it. I think it's great and I think it's I think as far as track order goes, it's in the right spot like that. We just came off like some kind of bangers and and this doesn't feel like too it's not too far off, like it's a chiller song, but it's not like here we are sitting on stools with acoustic guitars or something, which I generally don't like. Man, that is I would not. I did not see a couple of these opinions coming, guys. I mean, I know there's no way we haven't talked about this before, I'm sure, but I did not, because I'm maybe not the individual you guys like. I'm not like I don't love it, I don't hate it like. I was just like yeah, it's kind of it's it's not skippable. And then, man, I was like, I writing a documentary about how is the worst song ever made. And you know, it's really funny, Kyle. I just looked at my notes, because so often I do the same thing as you, Chris, on it. I'm like this I love. I'm like, they're there, but I'm hardly paying attention to him. Yeah, I literally wrote in my note I...

...actually think this is some of the better lyrics on the album. So so I must just like gravitate. I mean, I'm obviously you're way more clever than me when it comes to lyrics, Kyle. So maybe that's what it is, is that, like you, you're way more into a clever lyric and and you, I think, you just care more about that, and I'm like, whatever gets this song done and doesn't sound completely stupid, I will do I will, I will settle on the lyrics. I'm just not very good at it, I feel like. But maybe that's maybe that's where our difference is. But it is interesting you can have to totally different opinions about the same song for different reasons. Okay, let's go to track seven, which is seven minutes in heaven. Another print that parenthetical track of t wait out of Adam Helen, out of Van Halen. Gosh, these guys driving crazy. Here we go, dude, I do. That might seem like a boring clip to pick, but like that bridge is cool, like there's a lot of cool chord changes and melodies and Gosh it's cool. Kyle, what are your thoughts on this one? Love it freaking awesome. There's a lot of great lyrics in this one. I love that guitar part that we got a taste of at the end of that clip. The I mean would you, would you technically say that he is he scatting? Is that? Is that a scat? Would we say Scott Up, but a pup scat that it's it's tiptoe in there to the line, but I would say it's scatting because if it was scatting, I might be out. See Pre scatting. It's like the gateway drug to scadding. It's like whatever he's doing is close to it. You out. This is the kind of stuff that I daly bebopping. You could be. That might be definitely the pop punk scadding like you these. You know you it's not free style. You just say the same thing over again, but it's nonsense. I love how I feel like this song. Change is quite a bit from chorus, verse, Pre Chorus, but I like every part of it and it's somehow works. I'm a fan of this one. Yeah, I think it's good and I agreed. Like you almost can't tell which parts are what, like I'm reading the lyrics and what it calls a chorus, I would call the pre chorus and then what they call a post chorus I would call the course, but it's they're all good like that. You could really mistake one of them for a chorus and stuff. But yeah, I think it's a good song and just really good bridge. Chris, what your thoughts on it? I also think the intro to the song is like you could almost call it a fallout boy intro, like it's got a fallout boy sound to it. Just saying that because, like, they do have some distinct things about them that make them, oh yeah, yeah, sound like fallout boy. And that, yeah, the Double Hook to the prechorse of the chorus, where you're just like this is all so great. It could have been two choruses right. Yeah, it's like you could have saved one for another song, but it said it's like no, I'm just going to keep writing awesome melodies. And you know, Brandon jury and the background there. I'm not sometimes it's really hard to figure out who's who he's seeing in the background, right, that's Prett I believe. So. Yeah, this is like his first time in the studio, was what he came in to help them with this song. Indistinguishable, but yese gets away. Yeah, it is like you gotta wonder. I thinks like hey, you guys want to meet the guy that just bought my new house? Yeah, well, casing on this song, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta wonder. Like that was such an obvious what was happening there. And that like they were like here's this band that's trying to sound like us, I'm going to sign them to my little indie imprint and make all the money off of them. If they're going to rip me off, I'm at least going to make money off it. But I was just always so weird to me how similar they sounded. Yeah, they changed, no, but I mean no for sure. But this at this point, it was we are alway on. This sounded like Patrick Stump and, to be fair, a lot of people think Patrick stump sounds a lot like our friend Jamie Wolford from the Stereo. I mean a lot...

...of people that was kind of as he does, because he does. It's because he does. By the way, I don't think I mentioned this, but the Stereo have put out a single right well, they did, and they put out a little podcast about like that kind of history of the band and stuff. So check that out if you haven't heard of the Stereo. They're a great band that, like every I feel like every band, new and liked and like all press was all about them and stuff like that. And fall out boy certainly was influenced by them, like without a doubt. I mean you, yeah, you talked about the bands that came after follow boy. So I mean I'm going to give the credit to the to the Stereo and Jamie Wolford for all these bands that came out fallow boy, because without the Stereo I don't think you have followed by. I would say it's the they. I would I would listen to that and say that they it seems like the single biggest influence. I think that Patrick has a ton of influences of different genres. Clearly, as he goes on to right all sorts of stuff. But Yeah, the Stereo is definitely an influence and their albums are great and and Jamie was our to, our dad, and he taught us everything we know about things like got to greet your bearings and in various other things, that you got to stay hydrated, to start drinking water four hours before the show, all sorts of great advice. So there was one time we were walking in the snow and I could have swort. I heard someone behind me and it was jam Eddie. Said turn around and he goes send people walk getting straight lines to hide the numbers. The best, the best dude. And he told me the other but other favorite thing Jamie ever did. Jamie side tangent, by the way. We got to do one of the Stereo records, by the way, and definitely and one of my other favorite things he did every time he walked in like a target or whatever he did the he pretended he opened the doors with his mind, Ye, held out the hand like Yoda and open every automatic door he ever went through. He did. He's like, I'd have to Yep, yes, there was. It's the UNCANNY value of humor. It's like funny, not funny, not funny, not funny. Oh, he never, he does it every time. It's funny again. It's all funny. It's always funny. So shout out to him. Okay, let's go to track eight, which is a sophomore slump or come back of the year. I'll keep singing this line. I'll keep singing Chris Monie, what are your thoughts on sophomore slump or come back of the year? I don't want to run it for everybody else. We all going to be sharing her favorite lyrics of the song. Oh It's pretty bad. Okay, well, you got to go first. Let's see which ones. We have a line up. Just take it. I always really liked the line, just the way he saying it. Make your heart swell, swelling burst. Keep singing this light if you keep believing it, and then you know, coming back at the end with the best part of believe is the lie. I can't I can't decide if I love that or hate it. It's kind of cheesy. Light is in the word or believe, and then the travel like Gypsies with worse luck and far less gold. Kind of just I can't figure out if it's good or terrible? Is that just Pete Wentz to a tea right there, like is that? Is that brilliant or idiotic? This is good or bad? He really does, because like rides that line sometimes and and honestly most of the time, Patrick does something with it that makes it better, if that makes sense, like the way he sings out of the way they delivering. Well, that's what well interesting, not even just delivery, but like if, for example, it works the way we think it did, were Pete is writing lyrics and then Patrick is writing a song on top of it. He is making stuff work that shouldn't work, if that makes sense, I think, and the reason I'm pretty sure you're probably right that that's how it goes, is because we don't get a lot of like where it feels like we crammed too many lyrics in, and I would think that if we went the opposite way, it would always it would happen like that. And I, like I said, I could be totally wrong. This one does not work, though it it it very much always sounds to me like Patrick is singing someone else's lyrics on this song. Something about the phrasing doesn't work right, something like that line on got a sunset in my veins. Just sounds so weird. It doesn't work and I don't know and like I'm with you on the believe is a lie. I said the exact same thing to myself. I was like, is that a good lyric or is it not? Because it's kind...

...of think it almost. I think you're right. You know I you are right. It almost gets salvaged by the delivery. But we will not party songs cool to absolutely, but when I just read read it out loud, that you guys, I was like that's weird, this is bad. Yeah, there's it's not. It's just not great. It's it's okay. Like I think the song in general is not great. So I think it's the combination of like I think it's the lesser of the songs on the record melodically and cord and all that kind of stuff, and it's also not the best lyric one. So that's just going to be not like Patrick's songs and melodies can sometimes just like it wouldn't matter what Pete wrote. It would be amazing like sugar we're going down. Doesn't matter what he's saying on it. The lyrics are great on it, but that song still would have been a hit if the lyrics were great, and this song is okay, and so, therefore, if the lyrics aren't great, it's gonna just be okay. It's not a bad song, it's just okay. But you know, some of it we do get a little I don't know, it's just a little bit whatever, Kyle. What are your thoughts there? Where are you at it? Between me and Chris, it's fine. I like I like it. Okay, I do agree that like it is one that is discombobulated. Is that proper use? Like? Yeah, I think it's right. It's like it doesn't quite fit all the time. But I will tell you, I do love a few of the lines. I swear I'd burned this city down to show you the light. That's a good line. That's a good line, and also I really like they didn't. They don't do it at the chorus that you played in the clip, but I believe the courses before it starts off straight ahead and then it goes for on the floor the second half of the chorus the drums, and I think that's freaking cool. I'm a sucker for for on the floor. But yeah, it's fine. It's what F yeah, I mean it's an unfortunate title because if I had to pick one of the two, I'd say sophomore sound for this song. That for the album as a whole. You should also say software slump. Yeah, it'd be nice if the lyrics are the titles had sa anything to do with most of these songs, but they don't for the most part, which was also kind of sticks. Okay, let's go to number nine, a title actually do kind of like champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends. Kyle, what are your thoughts on this song? That? I'm not gonna say the title again. Man, honestly, I'm in I'm I feel like, for me, I'm in the exact same boat as I as I was in the last song. If I was going to say there was a lull in this record, maybe it's these two songs. It's fine, it's there's some good there's some things that I like about it. I'm just not I mean, dude, they come out, what we get six songs that are incredible at the beginning of this record. That just back to back to back. Our well, five, because you called one on seven. That was trys sack. Seven, that's truck. Six. Yes, seven is seven, seven and seven minutes and heaven. Six is I got a dark alley. Okay, well, but five songs call five. Yeah, I say six, but you know it, and so and so. I mean, I I don't hate it. It's just fine and I want and we're picking back up. So, yeah, yeah, thanks for Chris. What are your thoughts on it? This song is, you know, love the title. Great Chris Songs, great title, grant. The song has a little bit of an odd feel to it to me. That's so I don't love it or hate it. I did. I'm glad you played the bridge I wrote. This is the two thousand and six bridge. This is the only bridge. We did it two because it early is just like. That's the one we did. Yeah, the story of drums, right, right, but the clean light, our atmospheric in the back of the room, Yep, that's Yep. We all could have been a bridge for the academy. Is Link hundred and eighty two. Yeah, yeah, honestly, this is the most blank one eighty two thing they've done. Obviously, all they needed to do to make it one hundred percent blae way too, is put that piano, that delayed piano in the background. If they would have had a delay piano part on this, it would have been like stealed the deal. We all did it. Yeah, we all all did it.

It was like this is the bridge, you right in the studio, and that's the truth. You know what I mean? You're like, we don't have a bridget and you literally just make it up. And that happens all the time, all the time. Vibe on it. Yeah, and and I like it, though. I actually like this song. But I do agree we're in the lull. I mean, I think that's absolutely fair thing to say, Keyle, but I wanted to give a good example of what I think. Keep in mind, totally speculating on how this works, if Pete in fact does write the lyrics. First, I think the pre chorus with your backlast black dress soaked to the skin. That's a great example of a decent lyric. that the way he phrases it and the melody that's going along with it. It is killer, like it sounds so cool, the way he's bouncing around and and so that's awesome. Like I'm into the fact that if that's the way that went, but even if it went the other way, it's cool. I mean it's cool to just be like PAPPAPPA and then him to come up with the lyrics, but I think it's more clever to go the other way around. I like, maybe it's I just think that because I've never done it and sounds hard. But now, but also don't you think that the at least everyone is trying, everyone is shining? Like that part feels awkward to me, like he's trying to like Patrick was, trying to fit what he was saying, and then the everyone deserves the flames, but it's such a shame, like I don't know, I don't know. I this. None of that bothers me in this song like I like it. I agree it's not my favorite song on the record. I think it's better than the last song, for sure. I really like the back half of that chorus with the the part you just saying that everybody's trying, everybody shine. I I really like that part. Maybe it's more of the lyrics, and I mean maybe it's more the melody and what's going on in the song than it is. There's and stuff, but I like it. I think there's a lot of cool melodic stuff going on. I'm but I'm not super impressed by the lyrics, but they don't bother me either. There's nothing one in this one that makes me roll my eyes. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Hey, good point. That's the bar set kind of low, but hey, yeah, I mean that. That's I'm being. I'm being extra critical because that's what we I mean. It would be boring if all we did was sit here and go great song, I know, I at them. Next one. No, I don't think. I guess for the most parts, just yeah, Pete Winz does not care what I think about his lyrics, but it doesn't even know exist. Right, like that's the thing. He's Um. He doesn't care what we think. He swings. He swings absolute wings, and when you're when you're a heavy hitter, you you either hit it over the fence are you strike out. And his batting average is pretty good. It's not. It's not like he's striking out all the time. He has ones that do make me roll my eyes, but I was well playing to you know what I mean, like Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, will you you, Chris? I always take that from you, because you always say that about saying stuff that you think might be funny and then it when it doesn't land. Sometimes you like that can't bat a thousand. Yeah, yeah, it's like there you got this swing, but can't bad. You can't be funny if you keep it in your head. You gotta, Yeahry, gotta say it out loud. Okay, tract ten, I slept with someone in Fallut boy, and all I got was this stupid song written about me. Here we go, we'll got some saves the day. Lyric vibes on that Verus Karna. It's like you're looking at my notes. Yeah, I wrote somebody's building a hair doll. The fingernail line specifically, is like gross. What I want to know is, is this something he did or consider doing, or is this just is this all braggadocious or something? Or like? What? What? Like, like, what makes you write that lyric? Like there's something you need to know about Pete in and acknowledge, and it's this. Is it that everyone on the Internet is seen his penis? No, it's not. It's close to that. He has a nightmare before Christmas. Tattoos. Oh Yeah, you're right, okay, and and there you have it. That's should have been the and right there, and you know exactly what I mean. Yeah, I didn't know that. We're a prominent, probably honest penis. Yeah, yeah, inner thigh like only some people see.

No, it's all his arm, I think, right right in the money. Make us all right. I think it's right on the arm the old job stopper. Huh, all right, I mean, it worked out fine for him. He's doing just fine. He's doing great. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what it's. We go to a different place on the lyrics on this, on this song that is not like the rest of them, and I don't know, I don't know. It's weird. It's a little weird, right, I'm not wrong, but super weird lyrics. But I am into the energy of the song. It's cool and it's the most man is it the most take this to your grave song? On this whole, totally. Yeah, one hundred percent. Sounds like it could have been a leftover song from take the your gray. I also hear like an homage to the New Jersey, Long Island emo sound. He's like that brand new guitar tone at the say. You know the lyrics. I know, we know. Pizza, fan of those bands. So dows yourself in cheap perfume. That is the what is it? The way you are, can't cover it up. That's a great line. Yeah, I do like that line. That's good. But the the fingernail stuff, I'm sorry, I can't get out. Is Weird. It's very weird. And send it to your family. That's the weird part. Yep, like what are you murdering this person? And then that's the talk the family with pieces of her hair and fingernails. I'm very confused and obviously some dark stuff. So who am I to I'm glad that he's I mean, I assume he's better. I mean I'm glad he's alive. I don't ever want anyone to take their own life. I think it's a waste and obviously he's a talented guy and I'm glad he's still around and I'm glad we have this record and the ones that come after it. So, but probably in a little bit of a dark place for talking about sending People's fingernails with your family. Yeah, so let's just go off. Let's go on to a little less sixteen candles, a little more touch me shot. Don't even take this back. She said, she said she said, did you just drop Chris Bonnie, where you at on this track? I did this song. It's a perfect I have a lot to say about it. It's the third single, but it's a perfect pop punk song. It's well done. Everything's tied up in a nice little package. Sounds Great. Bridge is a little bridgehels a little phoned into me, even though I'd really like that. The very beginning of it and the Bass in the chucking guitars, Avron just nailed it. Yeah, we haven't talked a lot about the production. Actually was. No, we haven't, but but I it stood out to me on this album that I feel like they, you know, sonically, they've did some work to make something that. Yeah, maybe it was a super exciting Kyle, you made a similar point earlier. There's something super exciting happening here. Like there's no like crazy amount of instrumentation, but when it's just a guitar and Bass and they and you just list to it and good headphones sound sounds breaking awesome. Yeah, I moved. So I a sort of common theme on this record is the for lack of what it probably is actually called, I call it the s drum beat, pump cat cat cat. Oh yeah, cat, just because it's all over songs in the s but I mean it's like a nice thing going on throughout the record and it gives it a feel and this song definitely has like the most of that vibe. Kind of threw out it. I dig it and I just said I think and he's a great drummer and but I'm glad he dialed it back for this record. I think that it makes the songs better, even though he's probably super bored when he's playing a song like this. That's just bump that bad, you know, nothing crazy technical going on in it, but it makes the song better. I think then trying to fill in every gap with phills and stuff, and I like it and I assume that was obviously a purposeful decision. I was assumed by not just him but I would assume producer and Patrick and other stuff, and I like that they I mean clearly patrick's very influenced by like stuff like motown and s stuff and so and s rock and roll and stuff, and I like that they decided, hey, let's use some of those influences to kind of carve out our own thing, and I feel like this is a good example of even though it's not like the best song the record, I think it's a good song. I didn't know this was single, I guess, but...

I just I like the bouncingness that comes with that beat and this whole record, because the other one felt more frantic. Take this to your great felt like we're going really fast the whole time, and this one feels kind of bouncy like and I like it. It makes me feel very summer, windows down driving around, and I think that this is a good example of a lot of those production choices in one song. Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? I completely agree. I Love I love the bounce, I love all the lyrics to the chorus on this one. I don't I don't blame you for being you, but you can't blame me for Haiti. Yeah, it's pretty great. I like that he's redeemed himself from the female lines of the last song. That's pretty good. Is a great line. And then also I find myself being drawn two lines that I don't I don't know. I don't want to go as far as to say that it's clever. It's just relatable. The ill set my clocks early because I know I'm always late. It's like, yeah, I've freaking done that. You know what I mean, like you just it's a relatable line, simple, but you get the point. I really like this one. It's, I think Chris said, it's a perfect pop punk song. It's it's a lot of fun. Yeah, I think it's. I think it's a good song and we're getting towards the last two songs a track twelve. Get busy living or get busy dying. Parentheses for those of you counting the third parenthetical title. Do your part to save the scene and stop going to shows. Here we go, Kyle, let's go to you first. What are your thoughts on the really long song title? I'm not going to say again, man, I really like this song. I love the clip that you played because I've I haven't seen them live. That's got to be tons of fun to sing live if you're there, right, and I wonder if Pete Can. I wonder if it sounds that good life. I'm curious. I also love what it transitions into because it sounds so much like fastballs, the way it's got that vibe. It does have that, which is also agle much that s Jangle vibe. I think I love that first record of there is. It's really good. So, though, yeah, I mean I dig this one and and I okay, so here's the question. I've listened to it straight through. It didn't skip around. Is the is it the end of this song when he's doing the poem, or is it the beginning of the next song? MMM, it's the end of this song. It is the end of this okay, well then, so my I guess my only complaint is there is a lot happening on this song, but I do enjoy it. Yeah, Chris, were you out on it? I wrote down specifically that I love the mood and the big jingly sixties guitars. You know at that that vibe I'm all about. And the ending bridge breakdown, I think, is what you played. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. Like, I'm into it. So I hate spoken word stuff and songs. I just hate it. I have never liked it. I don't know to be without you guy. No, I just I just, I don't know why. I just it always is bothered me and I also don't really like anything close to screaming. And this is like trying to get. I get what their influences are. But this is so out of left field for the rest of this record it is and I hate it. Now I really don't hate the song, I just hate the bridge because really going out of the bridge of that chorus is awesome, like I really like that La asked chorus and I like some of the vibes of the song. It's very kind of s s Jangly, almost like birds ish or something like that. Anyway, but I'm just I really do hate this spoken word stuff and the bridge and I just it's just not for me. I know a lot of people love it and eat it up, but it would be also different to me if you did this all the time. But like to just throw it in on the penultimate track. It feels very much like, well, we wanted to do...

...this because this is something we like to do and we're going to squeeze it in the record before we get through it, and just feels kind of like, well, it doesn't really fit the whole rest of the record. That bridge does not fit with the rest of it. So that's that's my other reason for not liking it. But you can disagree with me, COL No, no, I don't. I absolutely agree that it's weird I just happen to like it. Yeah, so I will, and I will tell you that it does. It also very much fits the narrative. I can't, I cannot tell you how many times, for every time I heard that Pete Wentz was the lyricist, I also heard that he was in a hardcore band and he just get tired of making hardcore music and decidedly heard about I wanted to be a pop punk band, and it's like okay, and so I feel like this song is like showcasing that right, like look right, but like there's a reason you didn't. Your hardcore band is not popular. You know what I mean? Like, I think, just end it. That didn't work our you know whatever, and you can love that music, but, like I just it's weird to throw it in here because that's like a huge part of the music you love. Without a doubt, everyone's influenced by stuff that sounds nothing like what they end up being, but you shouldn't. That doesn't mean you like because you loved. I don't know, I can think of a million things like that. We're like the songs I write like. It wouldn't be like whatever I like, not a it wouldn't be a good choice for wouldn't be a good choice to be like. Well, but I really grew up loving Sax Solos and Billy Joel. I don't know that that's it, like in the two thousand not that that's ever the wrong thing. No, it's not. It's a that Sax Solos are always a good idea, but it would have been. You would have gotten some weird looks in two thousand and five if you put a Sax Solo. There was a lull there where they were banned. They're back. They're back. They're also the time where people pretended not to like right. So, yeah, that's it. Well, yeah, I would just I like any solos to be in songs. At this point I feel like we've lost all the Solos. All right, let's go to the very last track. Technically the shortest title will say Exo. Here we go. Let's do it. Dress Chess Sens I. Chris Bonier is Air Guitar, and that's a good sign. What are your thoughts on it? Dude, those core changes are straight magic. They're great. Patrick is brilliant and yeah, it's this is for me. This is like his good bye kiss. He's like Hey, by the way, I'm going to be awesome forever, like freaking epic. Yeah, great clip. Thanks, an amazing song this. How you in an album. I feel like that should be an award to yes, it should be, Kyle, where you out on next? So I mean, I really I can't really add much to that, I other than I completely agree. The freaking strokes asked. Guitar Tone on the on that driving guitar part underneath freaking awesome. And actually I say underneath, but it's pretty it's pretty prominent in comparison to some of the other songs. Yeah, freaking awesome, Great Song. Way, way to stick the landing. Oh my gosh, I mean it's such a good last track. It's got all the things I want. It's like soaring. It makes me want to immediately start the record over again. It's just got again. I don't think there's not like a wasted minute of this song. It's kind of weird that, like you, when it starts, you don't really it doesn't sound at the beginning of this song like it's going where it's a will and going or it's going because it just kind of like too too good. You know, that kind of chugging guitar and but I mean, guys, she just goes to a lot of great places and I just love the vocals on it and I think it's a great inning track. I think it's one of the one of the better ending tracks on albums we've talked about so far. I mean and we've talked about some really good in tracks, but this is up there with like the best of them. I this is on this song is on more playlist of mine than their...

...other songs on this record because I just love it. It's a really good song and but I don't have any it's hard for me to say why I like it. It's just great. It's just it makes me feel things that I like. So is it? Is it a sacred heart song? Oh, I think it could be. Yeah, I mean the end, the ends, for sure. Yeah, yeah, you come in at the bridge or something. It's definitely. I can never call these. Yeah, I think you're right, it's the Sundali's agree. I'm always like, Yep, you are right, I think it's the sacred heart song. I think that's totally fair. All right, let's go to lasting impressions, fellas. Does it hold up? Kyle, definitely, and I actually think you know as much as much as we like to or I shouldn't throw you guys in with me, as much as I like to joke about Pete and you know, all the attention that he he got. In hindsight, it's like, man, this this band is great, this is a great record. It still sounds great. I don't think I'm certain that I did not give them the credit that they deserve back then. Yeah, I think that's totally fair. So, yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like I might like it more now than I did then, just because it was so popular and it's it's easy to get burned out on those songs that you were hearing just all the time, everywhere. But you know, with a little bit of space, I'm just like yeah, I know why they were played all the time, because they're awesome. Like its records really good. You know, it has a little bit of lull, like we talked about. There's you know, there's two or three songs that I could be like they're okay, like they're not. But overall it's a great album and I think it I think it holds up. Mostly I'm impressed by like how that grunge guitar sound, which I don't actually, I don't like that guitar tone. It's not my favorite in general, which is why I didn't like a lot of the gruns from the S. actually, it's like I just really didn't like that sound. But it works really well for this record and and I'm glad they I'm glad they guitars on this don't sound like everything else that came out in two thousand and five. I think it makes it stand out more then and it certainly makes it, I think, stand out more now and not just blend into all the other pop punk albums, sort email stuff that came out that year or they're about that time. So I actually I just think it's a good record. Chris, where you you think it holds up? Yeah, Dude, I really enjoyed listening to this this week. I'm I I also share your opinion, Blake. I think it's grown on me over the years and I yeah, I like it better than I did before. There was a lot of cynicism. Yeah, that's fair. With it in my own heart from a bad place when I listed for the first time. You know, maybe a little jealousy, trying to make it myself yeah, upon upon listening to it with with these old ears, I really had fun. I was too, I think I was this one one of the most times in a row that I was lit any albums we've done a while. Might be because we got a little delayed, but hey might also because it's great. No, I listened to it a ton too because, honestly, I had not spun it in a long time. A lot of these songs from this record are like on I've got like a three, four and five star playlist that just basically any song that's pretty good is on there, and and so there's a lot of these songs on there. For that I normally a'm shuffling through that one. I just can't decide what to listen to. It's really the first time I listened to the full record in a while and I just remember being like well, well, that's it's actually like I'm really enjoying this and, like I said, just kept being in my head and I kept listening to it. I think it does hold up. I think the yeah, I think in more than one way, and we like to dig on the lyrics a little bit. But you know, that would be the only mark I can really find against this and a slight lull of a coumple songs I didn't love. But really, other than that it's a banger. Is it their best album? Kyle, I think you're probably the best person to ask about this because I think you've you're more familiar with the whole catalog. Honestly, I fell off pretty hard after the next one. But okay, so, but you. Oh, but I have listened to like, I listened to is it say on her? Yeah, yeah, if any. I listened to save rock and roll. What about folly? You Do? I did not listen to that in this last couple weeks again, so I probably need to go for that right. That's that's a that's a great one, Dude. Like, honestly, I think because the new fall out boy records, like, I actually really enjoy save rock and roll and and that's what so, that's what I was going to say earlier. Is like, in hindsight, I didn't give them enough credit at the time, but I really grew to love this band and this was the beginning of that for me. But they also currently are more I would say, in not at all. This this sounds like a criticism. It's not. But they're...

...kind of hit makers now. You know what I mean, like if you listen to their new record, like they're yeah, they're they're placing songs in movies. You know what I mean. Is I mean this is the evolution of most bands if they're around for twelve years. Yes, and so I would say that, whether I don't, I always question if it's folly a do or fully a do. But that record looks upt either. Okay, that that one is, I think, kind of the perfect blend of the two. It's just really good songwriting, but maybe not just pumping out the hits, you know what I mean, like but save rock and rolls really good and infinity on highs incredible. I really like even anything. Yeah, this is this record is the beginning of for solid records. Yeah, I normally ask is it their most important album? I mean, I don't know how it couldn't be, considering your sell seventhlien copies and launches them, you know, into a being one of the biggest bands in the world time. So I don't know. We got mistaken for fallout boy one time and it was weird. Lots of people are following us like to the bathroom it's like, who do you think we are followed by? Like, I'm not a promise. You seeing them? Okay, but y'all aren't a band. Yeah, nonfamous band, so laugh. Yeah, I mean, they were just huge, I mean, and good for them. Okay, so this is going to be more fun than I thought it was going to be desert island songs. Two or three of your favorites, Kyle, you're going first. Who? Okay, don't many a cheater, pick for like Chris did either. Now I'll just pick three. CA. I'm gonna go sugar. We're going down, dance, dance, and X Ol. That's that's a good, good choice. Is Chris, where you at? What are your two or three? I even say to anymore. Let's just let's just say three, because it's nevery sue. Yeah, for me it's our lawyer made us change this, made us change the name of the song so it wouldn't get sued. When sugar, we're going down, and it's hard for me. The last one, I'm X O. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so I've got like for marked and I'm trying to decide what. Well, the fish I was. I haven't trouble with the last one. Yeah, I am, sugar. We're going down. Nobody puts baby in a corner, for sure, and it's super hard for me to pick between I've got a dark alley and a bad idea and xo. But I think I'm going to go I've got a dark alley, Aboud idea, just to go against Kyle. Yes, to be a trying. Yeah, just to be contrary. No, I mean I really did have it and it really was like, how do I pick between that and next? So they're just so different for the way I feel when I listened to them. It's yeah, it's hard not to pick exo, because that song is fantastic. I think I'm going for those three in a row, and the fact that they're in a row to is, I think, pretty special. That's yeah, that's three really good tracks, even though Kyle was not as big a fan of that one. Okay, nobody's perfect. What's the worst song in the album, Chris? I mean that for me, I you can't say dance, dance, because that's don no, then I don't think you can say that a really good song. But you know, I don't know, I don't know. I'M gonna have to pass on this one. So these, some of these are I almost want to say sophomore slump because some of the cheesy lyrics. That's why I'm going with yeah, yeah, I'm going with that too. I think it's I think and I don't think it's like especially bad. I just think it's the weakest Song Record. I think that it's just okay, it's fine. Kyle, where are you at? We're going to repeat here on. No, no, no, I've got a dark all you gotta. Yeah, is this the first time one of us has had a track as our desert island song and someone else has it as their crap sandwich? I growing not a show or not full or no, he's perfect. I and I also feel like I feel like you're trying to take tater turds from you. But well, yeah, you keep sorry say directed to mention that. I just I think that is pretty harsh. TATER TURDS is like there are this album is too good to have a song that you say is tatter turds. But you know what, how about this? And in all seriousness, I probably Wan a little harsh because of fifteen years of night drive...

...hey that I've received from you too. You your it's okay, it's totally fine. So now a pagan, you know. Yeah, I mean I think that's that's totally fair. Okay, what about growing out a shower, kyle? It's dance, dance, like truly, I hated it when I first heard it and I love it now. I mean it made it made my it made my desert island. Chris, what about you, exo? For me, I don't think I appreciated it at the time, but yeah, I think it just kind of was getting excited about going back to the pop, pop punk songs. This one's a little deep for me, but it's freaking epic. I think mine is the opening track. Our lawyer man has changed the name of this song so we wouldn't get sued. I think it's not that I didn't like it. I think I just after having it in my head so much and there's some cool parts and stuff and I just think I just I think it grew on me. I still don't think it's better than like the next full or five songs right, but I think it grow on me. So I think that's that's pretty good. That's it for us. Thanks for listening again. If you like what you hear you can give us a glowing review on itunes. We appreciate that. You can also subscribe on things what you know, but be at spotify, itunes, any of those things that you play. We've got a couple people. I'd look at the the analytics for the PODCAST. Couple of you that watch listen to it on an IPAD. Good for you if you're that listener. Listening to an IPADS. Strange. Yeah, it's like, I not what I picture, but hey, you know, to each their own. But you can also subscribe on that IPAD. You can do it. It's allowed episodes. Obviously will didn't just conveniently show up if subscribe. That's the way we like to do it. Obviously, if you've got comments or disagreements or suggestions or whatever, you can email us at infut finding, email podcom or you can find us on most of the social media's at finding, email pod, and we've had some fun discussions on those lately, I feel like. So, yeah, keep doing that. We will catch you next time. One more thing. Oh, more thing, forgot. One more thing. Next album. It's going to be self titled by Unwritten Law. Oh yeah, there you go. Now you know we got a little behind on recording stuff. We're going to try get caught back up and get these things releasing on a more normal two week schedule to life just gets in the way. Sometimes we have to go out of town or be sick or whatever. I have an ear infection. For some reason it's like like a toddler. I've your infection right now. Still not there. I'm on a second round of anibiotics. No one wants to know this stuff, but now you do. So yeah, what Chris said. That's the next album and we'll catch you next time.

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