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Episode 37 · 2 months ago

Ep037 - Paper Walls by Yellowcard

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While Yellowcard admittedly had a slight downturn post Ocean Avenue with their 2006 album Lights and Sounds, they were back to being one of the best pop-punk bands of the 2000s with the quick follow up, Paper Walls. It's one of Blake's all time favorites, and his wife has zero interest in it. It's a real tragedy. 

We won to find an Emo, our podcast,where we discussed our favorite albums from the early ots and thereabouts. Iam Blake Fisher and I'm joined by Chris Mona and Kyle Simmons, and today we arechecking out the two thousand and seven album from yellow card entitled paperwalls thanks for joining us and listening to the podcast. We appreciateit. We love that you're here we would love for you to subscribe to thepodcast, so they show up automatically and we love, if you rate the podcast onwherever you wherever you go, listen to podcast that just helps us out, and so do it just out of the kindness of yourheart, you know be a be a pal me. A buddy yeah, be a buddy, be abuddy, so yeah we're talking about this yellowcress this our second yellow cardalbum to talk about. I did the quote: Unquote Research on this one, becauseit's one of my favorite albums, so not a lot going on this one. We didOcean Avenue and then after Ocean Avenue, yellow card came out with an album twothousand and six called lights and sounds which I think it's fair to say,is the lesser of their albums, and I think they even admit that it was kindof a it took quite the turn for Ocean Avenue to lighten sounds which has acouple, a few great songs on it and then a lot of just like okay songs. If,if I'm just giving the short version of what I think about that album, and sothey release that in January, two thousand and six and they announcedtheir working on preproduction for this record by the fall of two thousand andsix. So they don't even wait a year between the release of life and soundsto realize, like maybe we need to do another album because lighten soundsdid not commercially or critically or really in any way perform the way oceanavenue did, and it was kind of a weird kind of angti darker vibe on it that they evenadmitted as much that, like hey, we kind of maybe went it a little too far.They they were quoted, saying they didn't like regret it, but they felt like they needed to like try againlike they was a learning experience for them. I think they I've seen interviews wherethey talked about, maybe they'd gotten a little big for their bridges, post,ocean avenue and some other stuff like that, and it just had a weird vibe toit, and maybe we'll do that record some day, because it would be interesting to talkabout a record that we didn't like from a band that for the most part we likeeverything else so yeah they released this October or sorry July, seventeen,two thousand and seven, so not even barely over a year after lights andsounds comes out. You know basically you're talking about less than a twentymonth, turn around and still on capital records. Although this is the lastrecord, they are on capital with because shortly after this album bylike two thousand and eight, they announce a sort of indefinite hiatuswhich is so funny. Because did anyone use that term before blink a two? Werethey the first indefinite hiatus people had definitely googled the definitionof that won like one eighty two went on, I remember when they when they saidthat- and I was like I never heard anyone say in definite highest, butthen I feel, like everyone did yeah. That's the new thing. It's like. Idon't know. If we're breaking up we're, just not going to do anything for awhile, which you know maybe you do need abreak. Sometimes it's just funny. It's a great term, for what a lot of bandsprobably didn't really put a label on before. That's like yeah we're, notwe're not breaking up forever, but we don't know how long it's goingto be could be. Five years could be five months, it's just funny because itseems like babies were breaking up forever. There were plenty of bands before thatthat, like didn't put anything out for nine years at a time or something theyjust didn't, have to come out and announce that they weren't doinganything for nine years but anyway, so they do announce anindefinite hiatus shortly after this, but then they're back a few years afterthat. So you know this album pretty quick after life and sounds likeit said, but like totally different than lights and sounds is definitely alittle bit more in the vein of of Ocean Avenue, with even a little bit morekind of ump to it, a little more rock and roll to it, even so yeah capitalrecords, which is like so their last one producer, nil, Avron that they'vedone. Basically everything with we've talked about NEL Avron and howhis guitars are unmatched. I kind of feel like he's a like him and Vincenare the guitar tone guys they are gonna, make those guitars crunch in amajor way, and- and yet that's really, there's really almost no informationabout this. They recorded the whole thing I mean youknow like I said they talked about. Pre production in October, two thousand andsix, they start recording it in January, two thousand and six it's released byJulys. So I think they knew they needed...

...to get another record out pretty quick,because the one before didn't quite work,although the two singles from wife and son were great and they had greatvideos- and I did really like them, but then the rest of the a t, the recordjust kind of was like man, but I ve, but they came back with this one and itwas kind of awesome. So, let's talk about first impressions when it came out and whatnot. We'veobviously already heard of yellow cart at this point, as mentioned before, wedid Ocean Avenue already on this podcast. So we don't need to talk about what wefirst thought about yellow card, but just maybe, since we didn't really talkabout lights and sound, may be talk about lights and sound, and in thisrecord, if you know briefly, if you want to mention any thoughts that youhad about lighten Sella's good, a kyle. First, though, so I find it so strange that they cameout so close together, because I have no recollection of that, like in my mind, ages, passed between lightsand sound sounds, and this record like it's almost like. I thought theyweren't going to be a ban in my mind in my memory I thought they weren't goingto be a band anymore or whatever, and then they got back to their roots. Afew years later, so hearing that that this came out like a year later is kindof Blowin my mind right now, but lights and sounds, and did I justdidn't, dig it that much? I A I don't know anyone that is liketried to convince me to like it. Does that make sense likeno one's really know you really need to get, and I do give it other. I I listento it again this week and it just doesn't hit the same. I want to like it.I did I I've tried multiple times and I just don't like it that much I don't. Idon't hate it, but in comparison to their other works. It's just I. Why listen to that record, when Ican listen to any other yellow card record, is how I feel, but my first impression of this was yeah. That's the stuff. I like you,know yeah there. It is yeah that that's the good stuff, and so I was excitedthat they were putting out something a little. You know it's not that it'scloser to ocean avenue either. It's just. I justthink they're, better songs well, and it is more like well we'll talk more about that. Iguess as we go on, but I mean it is it's more like Ocean Avenue in thesense that it like it, is better songs and it had the vibe of it is different.It's like it's got that like life and sound, they kind of drop down almostlike too much got to kind of weird with it and yeah. This has the more normalyellow card, sound yeah, it's like a yellow car record and it's- and it is,as you mentioned before, the guitars were huge. So a big fan right away ofthis record and probably probably even more hyped at the time,because I really did not like liketo sounds, and so it was like. Oh thankGod. This is going to be a great yellow card record. So Chris, what were your thoughts of this period of time and and what not I spot on with Kyle lights and soundsjust kind of bummed me out. It was not great yeah for mine, too, like yellowcar was a band that I adored I mean yeah. I mailed them a letter to get asticker like to their address in Florida, like I listened to them fromthe mph days like I was obsessed with. That being so, I felt, I think, some acutedisappointment with lights in sound, so I don't remember this album making thatbig, an impression on me at the time it came out, and I'm also with Kaylan that I don'tremember coming out this quickly, that quickly after lights it sound yeah. Itseemed like an an eternity to meet T. I was really shocked when I looked atwhen I was like this. This time line cannot be right, but because it did feel like a much longertime. I agree man, we were just younger in a year and a half felt like a lotmore time than it does now now a year and a half goes by and I'm like, oh mygosh, that was Dick caspita pushing hard like it was it I'm sure we knewwas coming out. Sure I knew is coming out. Maybe I just didn't care as much,because I was so disappointed for the last record. There's a lot of goodmusic out in two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. You know yeah, it'sweird cause. I thought here's the or thing I was trying to trace back likewhen did I did. I maybe get this album, not when it came out, but I know for sure I bought this albumwhen I lived at my Condo, which I only lived in that Condo, two thousand andseven to basically the very beginning of two thousand and nine so like at theat the latest. I got this in two thousand and eight, like you know, so Imay have been a little bit late on it, but I don't I was. I think I had it intwo thousand and seven, I'm pretty sure I got it, maybe not the week. It cameout because I don't think I knew they came out with a new acron until it likecame on. You know, whatever something...

...and I saw was like. Oh I didn't know,they came out with a new one, because unfortunately, I kind of like light andsound was so disappointing. I wasn't like looking for the next yellow cardrecord. I thought they had just like abandoned all the things that I likedabout them as a band which bum me out, because I was with you Chris. I reallyliked them, but this one definitely like redeemedit. I was like all back in because you can make a bad record. I mean, andpeople do it just suck to like follow up the success that Ocean Avenue waswith a bummer of a record because I feel like it really took the wind out of their sails. As a band- and you just want to kind of go backand like as we've talked about on this podcast, I love bands that I love beingsuccessful and you just want to almost go back in time and be like don't makethat record, please like if they would have made this record after Ocean Avenue and there's also a threeyear gap between Ocean Avenue and lights and sounds even which is notcrazy. But I would think that for as big as Ocean avone was you'd want tolike track something out get a record in by two years. After that, twothousand and five instead of two thousand and six that to be fair, itwas January two thousand and six, so they barely didn't make that twothousand and five things. So I mean it wasn't quite wasn't really three years between. Itsounds like a lot of years, but it sounds like more about a months yeah,but yeah just more months, and so you know it's just. It is aninteresting kind of case. Study of you follow up a really successfulrecord with something that sounds is too far of a departure of what peoplecame to you and liked about you and and then, but I feel like. Then theylike very quickly redeem themselves on this one and you're right kyle. I thinkthe songs are just better on it. I think that that's mostly what it isalmost weird is didn't they. They actually lost a core member onthis record Ri, oh well, so they lost them before. That said, the last beenharper. That's a good good point on that, so they lost Ben, the guitaristactually before lights and sounds okay. So, okay, so they'd already lost him, pre lights and sounds, and I think, Guywith the label right, he has yes been to the lobster lobster lobster. That'sIT YEP and o o o o lobsters what they were on. It wasn't lager yeah yeah it was. Itwas a pretty legitimate label yeah. I know what it was. Look that up Chris.Well, I look, it happen ye it was medic, not we did see in art in traffic in La andour basis got out of the car and went and handed of a CD, but nothing came ofit. Obviously what point? It's not a take o for takeover takeover, take ouroisters what they were on before capital and then yea takeover was whatBen went and ran and so yeah, so they lost been for life andsound and but replaced him with a fine guitarist. So they did not lack in theguitar category for sure, so they this is the second one under their belt.With with the this line up, and I think they I think they I think they did it'sweird to say. Even though I don't love lights and sounds, I think they werestill getting better as a band, even though they had a new guitars for thatrecord like there's some really cool stuff on it, sometimes where you can belike Oh this is, I can see there evolving as a band and getting betterit just wasn't- maybe quite executed perfectly, but but this one I feel likethey're all they're tight they're, all in on this stuff kind, good, yeah, yeahand so yeah. For me, it was just like a return to a band that I really lovedand then kind of disappointed me it. What sucks about when a band like that,I want to say young, because really they've got one major label album undertheir belt and then they and then so half their catalogue. I don't like kindof at that point. You know what I mean like that's a lot harder to deal withthan, like. You know, like wheezes, a great exampleof a band that, like they put out a record, I love and then they put on arecord. I hate but like they've, put out twenty records, so even when youtake the good with the bad there's still like more there's a lot of goodstill, but when it's like you got two records and a one of them. I don'treally like that kind of sucks, so this one brings me full back into the yellowcard fold and, and fortunately they make great records from then on out,even though they take a little hiatus in the middle there. Although theirhitu wasn't that much longer than the gap between the other albums, it wasjust a couple of years that they took off. I guess it was three Yish, but so yeah. I think they I'm glad theycame back to it. I'm glad they didn't fizzle out or something like that, asso many bands sometimes do in that situation. Where you a are on top ofthe world and then make an album that...

...takes you down a peg, I'm glad they gotback in the studio and got back to writing and made this record quicklyglad they bounced back yeah, I'm glad they bounced back, because I think tryan key specifically is a fantastic song. Writer and it would the worldwould be. I mean I think I mean at least my catalogue would be thin if hehad just like hung it up or something. So I'm glad he persisted through thelittle rough patch and continue to make some good records. So yeah there's not a lot to talk about.On the on the grand scheme of things like I said there was not a lot ofinformation on for Cortin said they kind of work with Nila Avron on alltheir records, so there's nothing that interested production wise as far asanything goes and there's not a lot of information on the Internet about iteither. So so that's kind of what I know about it.So I guess we can just jump right into track by track as that works for, foryou all, so immediately, right off the bat Ifeel like we're. Greeted with you, know, lights and sounds startedwith kind of a little or castral thing and then a pretty cool second like realintro track. But I feel like this one is a great inter tract. So let's go tothe take down here: Go we're back baby Christmas, goode first thoughts on thetakedown dude. Is this one of the like? I don't know if there's a better wordthan bals. Is this the ballses yellow card on? It is one of them right, it'sone of them for sure it is fast and I mean there's like some heavy metalinfluence in the guitar. So like and Averon's like tone, it's like almost. Ifeel, like you D, take that tone and put it on a metal album and would work,but it's not here too, and then of course, one of the great great nottalked about. But what are the great punk drummers of this era? LG LP LP,sorry yeah, just destroy on this song and all the songs.I will talk about Havin a lot o this podcast, but yes great it o song, Goshlove it yeah. They I feel like they always do a greatfirst track, but this this one really you're like okay, like we are not we're like an apology to r yeah it kindof is I mean it really. It feels a sorry about the things we said on thelast o Bo sort with the last one S, yeah freaking rocks kyle thoughts on it, yeah l, P's, just freaking machine gunin that snare and that guitar tone. Also. I really I really like the line.How did I end up like this? The Chosen One, your greatest takedown yeah, Imean that's, that's some good lyricism awesome song and I think I think myfirst thought was like I'm listening. Yes, you have my attention. Let's getanother track in in great song, but an we do. We is this yeah I rember. I knowwhat you did last time: Yeah, because the first I've been heard before what is technically the second track onlight and sounds I mean it rocks to and then it quickly falls off Yep. Is it lights and sounds that is theintertrude forget yeah? I think it is yeah and I mean I know it has theorchestra kind of thing before and on on that one, but yeah you're right andI remember feeling the same way, Kyle being like okay, all right, I'm intothis, but like being like, but let's see what happened on to mistakeable wasvery cautiously optimistic at this point because it is yeah. You know I've been burned alittle bit. I do think that you mentioned the lyrics and I think it's agood thing to bring up that like. I think he becomes a significantly betterlyrists on this record, and- and some of that is because I felt like he a row.Well, no! No! No! I don't think it's even that. I think it's that, like youknow, admittedly it seems like he didn't have like some: it's not likeTom, petty, where he had this father, that didn't love him or something likethat. You know it's like he didn't have some bad family or some bat like superbad experiences, where it's like he's writing these songs about girls andstuff, like that, none of it was very and lights and sounds. He went all inon the like anti war stuff, which is kind of like, like you wasn't quite atthat point where you could write those songs that he wasn't doing like wetalked about green day on the last album yeah, the last episode. It's likehe didn't quite have that tongue, that...

...kind of sharp tongue that billy joe had but he's trying to do it it just it.Never. It never worked for me when he tried to write that kind of song. Itseemed it seemed to be natural to me, but like this one I feel like he wentthrough a little adversity, just like being with the band and been leavingthe band, and he had some more interesting things. I think to writeabout on this record, and I think you hear a little snippets of it in thatline that you mentioned. Kyle is a good example of that, and so I think it justgot better. I mean yeah as you as you get more mature and I mean, and how oldis he at this point? Is He twenty five, even when the fat yeah, if that so yeah still still honing the craft ofof that but yeah everything about it is firing on all cylinders. We got theviolin, which again, I think, is always awesome how they get that in the mixright and it's not a gimmick, because everything about tuna punkrock with aviolin sounds like it's going to be a gimmicky thing, but they do it so well,it's super unique and this yeah and you're right, lps, just owning it he'sso good. He is one of the best drummers fromthat time and I feel like doesn't get enough credit yeah. I don't know why. I have no idea why maybe it's justbecause the band was so great and his drumming. Never like did thetalking like it. It's like covertly awesome, but it's not in your fate,like barkers styles, a little more in your face awesome. This is a littlemore back in the mix. Also I don't know, andthey might have been, they might have been. One of the I mean Kyle, you Imean first of all, you and Chris are way more in the punk rock than than Iwas. I like it a lot, but I mean you guys are in into a lot of bands thateven more obscure and stuff like that, I mean there are really talent there, agroup of really really talented musicians like it's, not just LP. Imean it's like the new guitars I mean Ben Harper could shred to but likeRianail, just he go in to town yea on this record on guitar, Solos and stuff,and then you know, obviously you got the violin. It's not just like he's,not playing easy stuff either and so they're all shredding and like you cantell that metal kind of influence, but I mean they're, really goodmusicians for playing pop punk in my opinion, and they shine on this one. Well, let's go track to fighting here.We go you eery that it wasn't in me the cane now I gotta go eat alone, but Iwill never I I do ever give up okay, but I know how to lie. You wereout that I had you were to in God lost in the back of my mind, andI can never never it's in the fate out there, but I love that little drumparty does and like, where he's alternating from the Cenar to the highhat and stuff anyway Co. What are your thoughts on track to you fighting? So Iknow a lot of times we talk about how stupid it is for people to want. Youknow a repeat of of the record that they love that they want a band to staythe same, but this is this is a very ocean avenue, song and,and so before I said the first song you knowhad piqued my interest, but at this point I'm like they're back baby. Youknow, like I at least I'm pretty hopeful, that they are love this song and also it's pretty it's pretty rare for me tolove a a verse more than a chorus, and I I love same note. I mean this. Thisversus killer, the like the rhythm of the vocals and yeah love, Yep Yeah. I agree. I had the same note thatthe courses are fine like you're right it. This would fit on ocean avenue, butGosh though the I love the verses on this and they're like wordy, and I like the rhythm of it andyeah, it's a cool cool, verses and again good instrumentation Chris. Whatare your thoughts on it? You use it up the same way. We you guys alwaysbananas for the verses to loved it all. I I literally wrote down the verseLyric syncopation with the drums. It sounds so perfect, an effortless andplus I love it when you know this little song, writing tricks like how hestarts with said I'd, move on, and then the second verse he said Said. I'm okay,I don't know yeah. I like that too. I love that. I love those little those little nods. You know a little alittle ways to keep things creative and keep things interesting. I think theyknew it too. I mean they end with half a verse. Aright Song Ends with the thesaid that I'd fight for the ones that I found going to stay here for the youknow, and so it basically is the verse at that point M, which...

...is, I think, that's why they knew. Imean they knew it was a good one too. So, okay, so we go to shrink the world ordo we have any other sing sink notes on songs? We really don't talk about thisbefore we. I think I think we had all written down that it kicks, but, yes,it does good. Second Song as usual, I'm even more optimistic at this point twotracks, an I'm like: Okay, we've done two good songs. Let's keep going. Let'sgo to shrink the world then track three Chris polly, it's good! You first onshrink the world so that you can still kiles note. Instead of him stealingyour note yeah. I don't quite know how to describe this. I don't know what youcall it and drumming as a drummer I should know, but when you kind of whenyou, when you carry over you'll, do four on the floor. But you carry thatbase trim note over Oh to to talk about yeah yeah. He does that on the chorus.It sounds so great and I can't pretty down guitars. Sogreat question mark exclamation point it's like I just couldn't like Icouldn't get ex enough excitement about how how every song of the guitar soundso good. I you guys will have to tell me is this: We have kind of the same tone for eachsong right, but I mean it just keeps being spectacular. I don't know. Is itenough to just say surprises me, every time like a new song and I m just yeah,they definitely like dined with the game on this stuff, which I, like n.They were not running it at four on a lot of this. No, no, I imagine a lot ofear plugs being used while while they were recording yeah, no, they sound sogood and I watched his. I don't remember if I I don't remember when wedid Ocean Avenue, had he done his podcast with Jim Mack and jet. At thatpoint, I don't remember if we talked about that or not anyway, his past, their frequencies episode withJamaki, and he talks about how he was just always in this band with theseguys that were like way better musicians than he he's likeand I'm a good musician. But like I'm, I was I talking this Ryan talking andhe was just talking about how he would be. You know. He'd come up some guitar oryou know, or something or whatever, but then, like those other guys in to belike Ryan, Mendez and like Sean, and all these guys were just really like.Oh and then we could do this and he was like it was like they were speaking adifferent language, sometimes because they actually like were really good one.I, let's major, and so that's that's fun, to be able to takeyour song they're like hey. I'm writing this. You know and he's a good guitarstoo, but he's like I'm doing the rhythm stuff and then they're putting all thissuper flashy awesome stuff on it and you just always had the benefit ofbeing around those people. One of the interesting things, though, is becausehe was talking about how you know they're always doing extra string stuff.Sometimes so it's like Ryan will arrange, not Ryan Sean W with it like arange other strings and they'd bring other string players in, but they mightbe like want to tweak something and they ere. It was like those people'sbrains. Don't work that way. If it's not on the page, they can't play it. Hewas like, and I'm so jealous of the fact that they can like Shankal likechange something on the page, and they can just look at it and play it. He waslike I just want that so bad and then they're like amazed that I can write asong because that doesn't make any sense to them: they're, not creative.In that sense, even though they're phenomenal musicians, I thought thatwas an interesting specifically in that band, since there are strings involvedin the you know, string players that are that good and playing in studiosessions like that's what they do. They can like. It read something the veryfirst time and nail it, and it was just funny that they were both jealous ofeach other and they were like kind of they didn't understand how he didn'tunderstand, how their brains worked. That way, and they didn't understandhow his brain worked like hey. What if we change that to this like in themoment like going? Oh, you know what sound good. If you hit this, not hereyeah, I tale. That's really interesting and we've talked about this phenomenawith Michael Jackson before two right, where he kind of like he wasn't like aspectacular musician, but he would kind of give these idea music Yehowa to doand so yeah it's. Maybe it's a better tool for some riders to have to not bethat great so seems to what I I tend to lean that way for a lot of people. Ithink that a lot of them at least know how to dial it back like they know howto go like okay. I can simplify this because it makes for the better songand stuff but yeah, it's a good song. I think we'rethree tracks in and it's pretty good co. What are your thoughts on it? I think it kicks, but I think theguitar shredding is excellent and use. One of you guys said a coupletracks back, maybe maybe Chris it is.

It is kind of metally. You knowobviously the they're inspired by metal guitars and it starts to show more onthis record and- and I like I like the starting on the low choruson this one, and I also really like it when, when the melody like when you, when youplay around with melody and phrasing, and you kind of break up the narrativea little bit, you know if I could then I'd shrink the world tonight, like I kindof dig that you have to kind of pay attention to what's going on, and Ireally like the melody to this course yeah. You mentioned metal yeah. This isthe first trill Solo. I've heard on a punk pop out for sure thirty second notes, or whatever it'spretty great, I'm into it and so yeah three tracks an I'm like. Okay, I thinkwe're back. I think we're I'm feeling confident that the rest of this recordsnot going to fall off a cliff. Maybe at this point I'm pretty sure they're notgoing to light and sound me right, yeah and- and I want a gas light in soundyou. But yes, it's a word or kind of works yeah. I kind of did feel likethat, like we got the rug pulled out from underneath this, although it stillhad some pretty good songs on it. Anyway, let's go track for keeper someone. I know what you think Kyle. I Bet I can guess one of your notes, butI'm just going to let you talk first and see what you see what you say. Imean I feel like I was already going to say it. It's a mixtape. Must I thought that might happen and keeptalking will see if you get I've yeah, I think I've got a couple notes. Thewere where were you going to say? Were you are you were you thinking? This isa sacred heart song. No, no! I, okay! Just I was thinking you might mentionthat you like the line. I wish there was something inside. Oh aside,absolutely yeah, absolutely I re line yeah. I think I don't think that Idon't. I don't think that he was bad at lyrics ever, but I do think he'sgetting better and I think he gets better and better and so yeah there'sthere's some great lines on this record and it's a good ballad. You know it's Imean is, I guess, is it a ballad? It's it's slow, it's not quite because it'sa little more intersect ive, except for that to keep you beside me part, and Ialso wonder I mean he lot mean we're not quite there yet, butI mean very clearly there's at least one song in this album. That's aboutbeen leaving the band. I mean there's no way yeah totally it's not about so Imean I look at this dog and I'm like this could also be about Ben leavingthe back up like it's, not necessarily romantic and anyway. I think that's interesting, and it's like genericenough that it could be different things to different people, but yeah. Acouple of those lines are really good lines that will e inside me to keep youbeside me as that could be like in a country song. We've talked about stufflike this before we're like it's almost better when when it could be about anumber of things, it's not necessarily romantic, but it totally could beromantic it it's bet it's like. It reaches more people. You know, I agree,I think, being a little vague is better than being totally on the nose all thetime I mean. Sometimes it works, but it's still interesting to me likewhen you look up any song and in the word meaning after it's like you know, you'll have a bunch of different peoplethan interpret stuff and unless you've got some like linked to an interviewwith the guy that wrote it about what it's about. It's like it's just peoplespit bawling what they think it might be about and most of the time it ruinsit. It does a lot of times no met your heroes, don't find out what songsreally about. Sometimes I have to know because, if something's so specificlike I, if something seems like they're really talking about something specific,I do want to know and like what happened here. I just but for the most part I like notknowing I'm with you and at the same time, sometimes one something is sospecific on the nose. It's awesome. You guys know that the song dog days areover by Florence in the machine is about how she gave up eating hot dogs no freaking away. I kinking me is thatReaal are you he? No. I have heard that...

...that is true. Like she stopped eatingme, she's get shit and she wrote a song about giving a pot dog. I'M gonna haveto listen to that again because I don't believe you, I think, you're making meGoogle something that's going to take me to like a Gotcha a page. I I et thedomain with the top google search, but it sounds like a great kile. Listen toit. With that in mind, Hey I've got I've got. I've got onelike that on this record too. So when we get actually it's going to be thenext trick, but let's go to Chris First and get his thoughts on keeper keeperGreat Song, the that lyric I wish it would have stood out to me more becauseyou guys both talked about it, but the lyrical piece that stuck out to me, themost is just the you know how it kind of breaks down that course in the sameway, and it kind of changes it a little bit and just the way he delivers thatline. I should have told you everything. Just God hits me right, the guns mangood way. Can we talk about again Ryan Super Power, which is bridges whichthat's the bridge yeah. It's he's so good at bridges. I wrote Down BridgeQuestion Mark Because I was like I guess that counts. It's yeah. I meanit's a teerain of the chorus yeah because it is, but it's got it's kindof more like a b course. Maybe, but it's kind of where the bridge would beso yeah it's great and I I think it is definitely his super power is bridges.I would have put more bridges as clips on this one, but there's also just likeso many good, like guitar, Solos and verses, and I feel like this one was a one of those that'sreally hard to pick thirty seconds for a clip because really some of thesesongs I'm like well, but I want this part and I want the intro I want tooutro I like yeah, they nailed it and I agree it'slike it's a little ballade. It's good. Fourth track spot. I feel likeand good tune overall and, like I said I agree kyle, I think he's becoming abetter lyricist in general because he's a little more vague partially, becauseif I go Sian Avenue had less of that, I feel like Ocean Avenue was more youkind of knew what the song it's about. Probably yeah, where's this one's alittle more vague on some of it and I think that makes stuff a little moreaccessible. Sometimes, although maybe I'm wrong, but okay, let's go to trackfive, which is light up the sky, a we just on all right. Chris Maya, we're going togo to your first, where your thoughts on light up the sky lad. You pick thatclip because the baseline change up right there on that Corus is a greatgreat great move. Base Players Unite Kyle, I think, base players the bestyou know I never have anything bad to say about you, guys, a only good thing, yeah and then dude. That sounds got kind of like a cool dancefield, the beginning, but then it gets all mellow and like introspective inthe chorus rank can- and you can I, like the you know- he really has a wayof you know, keeping things interesting inkeeping things dynamic. So this is a good song, good choice for a single, Ithink, maybe not the strongest single in mole album, but a good choice forsin. Cal. What y thoughts? I agree with my birthday: Buddy, okaysong, I'm a little confused by the single pick on this one, but it is agood song. I do really like it, but I do. I would love to have known what thediscussion was because I do feel like there are other. Oh yeah, I agree tobetter songs on me. I completely agree with you. I just I just still dig thesong yeah. I think I can see why they went with it, but that's exactly whatwhat I was thinking Blake was, but what I bot get it so terrible, butthere's some there could have been some different different choices. Thereinteresting pick. Okay, so I have a weird here's. How I interpret this song-and I know it's wrong. I know I'm not even wrong. He like okay, so he wrotehe's got a couple songs where he writes. Basically like it's like a movie, Imean he like literally takes the move like how I go is just big fish in a song. So He's done that before you know whatmovie this makes me think it's about, and it can't be because he this albumcame out before the movies came out, but it is I I think this is the dumbestthing you guys are going to think is. It sounds like a Romance Love SongBetween Gordon and Batman from dark night and dark night rises. The lyricswork so well with it and it couldn't possibly be because like, but you knowhow like in dark night rises, he like Batman's over in the dark and he's likelighted up and has Gordon light up that batsignal on the bridge or whatever Ilike is what it's about. This is what...

...that's about is, I feel, like I mean,think, okay, think about this. The first, the first verse you're, making achoice to live like this and all the noise. I am silence. We, we alreadyknow how it INS. Tonight you run in the dark through a fire fight, and I wouldexplode just to save your life. I mean it sounds like and he even talks aboutputting on a disguise. At one point I mean there's all these like littlelyrical reference, which I is a huge Batman fan like to think of as a Gordonand Batman Romance Love Song. I I don't obviously was probably notRyan Key's goal in this considering this came out before either. One ofthose movies I mean, I guess Batman begins is out of that point, but itwasn't quite developed. The thing where, like Jordan or Gordon,takes the the you know bullet in the second one, spoiler alert. It's beenthirteen years. The way Ark Night came out if you've not seen darknet, yet youprobably should so that's what I feel like the song is about, which is my mysilly thing, so it feels a little bit like it feels a little bit like asacred heart song for me a little bit yeah because of that, but but for a bad man movie, if Christopher non would have put aspider, ran to style soundtrack to the dark night. Maybe this could have beenon it, but that's not his style. So let's go abenoit different with. I rank you song in the middle of the yellow card, so inthe middle of Heath Ledgers performance yeah that might not have worked. We were we were out of the soundtrackphase at that point. That was a kind of gap in that period of time. Okay, let'sgo to shadows and regrets miles, go to you first thoughts onshadows and regrets. Well, I think this is a sacred heart song.Okay, just personally I could, I can see John Dorian, you know especially a video montage ofhim working after a is a patient, maybe yep after we lost the patient. Exactly. I can hear that. I really like it and again. I think I think that he's getting better atwriting songs and it's just it's just a good song. I meanI dig it that's all. I got allegedly this view from Heaven and Oh crap.What's the other song see me smiling from the next record?Are All about his buddy shad, something that was in a band he's a drummer shads are Scott, shad is his name andhe was like his best friend the din a car wreck, and that makes sense, but Imean, as far as again we're talking about like songwriting progression,like I like you for having a lot, it's a great song, but raises a better songabout that grief, and then, I think see me smiling is even better than this.Like so I mean it's like this thing. He keeps returning to. Obviously, it'slike a big deal in his life as it would be, and the bridge of that on that nexttune that on that same smiling, I mean just kills me every time. So I agree, Ithink, he's getting better as these as these go on Chris. What do yourthoughts on shadows and Rats Grace Song? Who Does Acoustic with theviolin better? I mean everyone tries to do it, but these guys, like you know,wrote the book on it. So, but one thing it stuck out to me on the song as howthe drums come in on a kind of a low key song. Once again, I'm not sure ifthis is ballot are if this is a ballad, but it's ballit territory. It's a lament, yes perfect, which isballade. You know, but it's hard to make that interesting, drum, be work so well, andalso your right pretty does a pretty good job of showing off his pipes onthis simmy he's hit some getting up there a little. It sounds Great, Ohyeah, that y a a, I never think of him as devil. Think of him as a strongvocalist, but I never am like. Oh Man right can get sing you know like, but Ifeel like a really good job on the song he does. I agree. I agree with that. Ithink he's flexing a little bit for sure on someof those notes and I like it, I'm fine with that yeah I mean I think you candefinitely consider you know the sad song ballate. You know for sure. That'sfine! I think what is it that there's a great switch foot, John Foreman line.Every lament is a love song, I'm Likee,...

...that's a pretty good! THAT'S A pre yeah!That's a solid, solid line! So so we'll give him that okay, let's go track,seven, which Oh, my Gosh! I like this one. Somuch I'm really excited about. Okay! Here we go, five becomes for. I picked the outro for that one. Forobvious reasons I couldn't thirty seconds of this song was impossible. Chris were going to go to you. First,we were all grinning like school girls. Well, yeah clip was put, I mean,forbidden, beat what comes in and this it's like this. This is it's almost like a tribute to the firstalbum like in a way, but but done with like the skills andproduction and talent that they now have. You know they like it's like ifit's almost like they took took that moment and time were like okay, we wereto write a song from our first record, but but with all the things we have now,this is what it would sound like it. It sounds so great there's also aphenomenal bridge rock breakdown thing that you were able, to put, I mean yeah,there's there's too many things. Everything about this song has been allthere's a band that I don't know. How are they affiliatedwith Craig's brother crats brothers like for mancy in no well Ryan playedfor them? That's what it is. Yes, e Lik Guitar Yeah, and this songs also gotsome Craig brother. crits brothers did go. He ran brother you're right, dudeyeah there are there there. You should checkthat band out. If you, if you like, yellow card, then that's a deep cut foryou, craigs brothers, a good fan, Yep, and if you don't want to waste yourtime with all of it, listen to home coming because they peeked with thatsong. There you go sometime, I really need yeah like it is the best cragsbrother Song, good to know op, we'll put that in the show notes. Kyle do youhave thoughts on five becomes, for it is a freaking awesome song. It's such acool concept and also like one of my favorite things about Ryan, is in theway that he writes is, I feel like. Sometimes people can be vulnerable andit doesn't read as authentic and and like every time that he is vulnerable.I just think it's so cool, like writing a song about your band member. Thatleft, I mean. Probably I probably relate to it because I was in a band,but I still think it's freaking cool and also you talked about how hereturns to these themes, and one of my favorite songs that comeslater on from yellow card is the sound of you and me, and it's I mean I lovehow he'll write a song about anything. That means something to him and yeah. I really like this one one of myfavorites on the record. This is one of my favorite songs everperiod, not yellow card. It's definitely one of my favorite yellowcarts, one. It's one of my favorite songs. I just love it a it is got anenergy that is a mate. I love the start of the little clean guitar and that Little Intro, and then everythingcomes in just on firing on all cylinders that that Violin Hook, limeis awesome. All of the guitar parts are awesome, especially that Altro, whereit's just that it's two guitars and that base line just rocking, and thenit goes up to that high one. I mean I just love it. I love the harmonizingstuff. I love the lyrics. I Love I've never heard a song about a band memberleaving that like left me wrecked in a way yeah. I got a love the line, oh gosh, where's, the I mean, there'san I. I love like when you're all alone, with the mill or eyes and sing andthink of me. We still hear me singing any more, that's just great stuff, andthen I love the remember. The line never say die, I mean, and you were thereason I survived just so good great bridge everything, there's nothing badin this song. It's just it's awesome Chris and I went to their kind offarewell tour in Austin outside at what was it at wasn't stubbs. It was now. I can't remember it's on the eastside. I can youngster, it's not a venue that that show would have been should havebeen a T. is it didn't fit? It was...

...perfect for the show, but it liked it.Yet I was like a a. It was weird yeah. I wear. I can't remember where it wasanyway and they played this song, and I mean it went crazy. I mean every youcould tell like everyone loves this song, that was a they made a great setlist for that kind of that farewell to or whatever anyway, wewere rocking out for sure to this one because it was high energy. Do you guysknow is the sound of you and me is? Is it about been as well or is it aboutRyan? I don't know, I think it's about Ben and I think it's him kind of comingcoming around to the other side of you know, well just that at someone andthey played together again after that I they did. A few shows were been playedwith them again too, and so I don't know, I don't know who I'm sure quick, Googlesearch later will possibly yeah so but yeah it's an interesting thing. I likeI said I don't think I'd heard a song with about a band member leaving orsomething and and yeah. I think people forget that that'sa thing that happens all the time and it sucks. Sometimes it's not it's notall you know, you see him seriously, like fans takeit, I mean I might be it's these guys. You are with all the time and I can seewhy that would be a thing like. I said he didn't. He didn't lack of talentafter that. It's not like the band didn't have a good guitars in theirnext one, but you know, obviously they were buds.They've been playing together for a long time. At that point, yeah, it'sjust a phenomenal song. I really canant. I can't say enough that that thirtysecond clips, not enough if you haven't heard that full song, you need to go.Listen to it right now, just pause. This podcast go over to that. Come back because yeah rocks it rocks my worldand I think it will rock yours as well. So then we go to. What are we track?Eight now track is afraid. Let's go Chris Moneys good you first, what areyour thoughts on track? Eight afraid this is probably the most pop friendlysong. I think on the record. It's a great pop song. I think if it wasn't sofast, it could have been like a top forty like, oh, but what I mean thisfeels like a better single than the light of Sky Yeah, absolutely yeahthat fair yeah. No, I I think so absolutely a great great great course:Guitar Sound, so good, the Vera and another another rinky moment where thevert a verse is almost as good as the course but the hours it just a littlebetter. It's good! I well it's because it's the course, but it's a you knowit's single onnable and hopeful and yeah would have been a good single Chris I mean Chris Kyle. Oh God, sorrylet me go ahead crew. I A good single yeah, it's pretty good! How about Kyleinstead Kali tell us your thoughts on afraid. I agree. I like it better thanlight up the sky, it's a good single station and it's I and I also agreeit's a great verse he's good at that. Yeah I mean like how many tracks are. Are we oneight now we're at eight yeah we're a little more than half way through got aa tracks in I'm all in so far, yeah not been a bad one. Yet I love the that trimola feedback. That's happeningon that verse. That may me- and it comes, I just think- that's a coollittle production trick that I'm sure Nell Avron was like hey. Let's try thisout, that's where I think you get a littlebit of his ear, candy that he's really good at with them, and taking I mean Iassume, maybe it's maybe someone else's idea but sure to sound like an engineerwould have been like. No, this will be cool yeah, it's a good song and I think it Ithink it could have been. I think it could have been a single, especially because, like I said, theverses are, I think, as good as the chorus and almost hookie in a way. But Hey they didn't ask us. What do youknow, which is weird? Maybe people shouldstart asking US hey? What should our track quarter be yeah which, by the wayso far, they're nailing? It on this one are no complaints about track order sofar, they're doing a good job of changing the pace, sometimes, and but without losing us like in the weeds,a and then people should also ask us...

...what should be the first single. Ithink we should start a consulting group that we just do that. Okay andand well me, do it for a small fee. Yeah dozens of dollars is what we haveto buy ice cream. Okay, let's go to the next track, which is datelineparentheses. I am gone. You can't fall when you KARLS good y first dateline. What areyour thoughts on so Morrison, I'm just kidding so the the very beginning of the clipthat you played. I feel like that. Guitar tone is the beginning of a soundfor them like a new direction. In particular, we get that on southernair and even develop further on lifted sale like that's there. It just kind ofhas that sound to it. I'll tell you what that sound is incase you're curious. I know on that last record. They did some like dropsea stuff. They were like way tuned down and I'm pretty sure that this istuned down to. That is definitely lower than drop d yeah. That might be c sharp,but it's it's definitely lower and they have this cool like chunkiness you're right, they kind ofthey start using a little bit more, and I bet I'd have to. I could go figure itout, but I'm pretty sure this might be at least dropped a little bit lowerthan d. What like it reminds me of in particular, what is the? What wasthe single? Is it transmission home or something like that on the last record, Yeah Yeah Yeah thatguitar part, Oh yeah, makes me think of that. So, oh also it kicks but yeahthey do. They do quite a bit of that in coming records like do some alternatetuning and lower tuning stuff, which is interesting because that's notreally a thing that is definitely more of a metal thing than it is a poonthing, but it does fit nice and it also adds a little bit of space for thatViolin. To which is, I think, a benefit to it with them is that the guitars getjust a little bit lower yeah I'm into the sand. You're right, Ididn't think of that, but this is kind of the start of that somewhat of a Signa, true guitar, sound,we'll call it again. I don't know if that's all them, if that's Neil Neilagain, I can't talk. I cannot talk enough about Neil Averon's ability tojust get the best. Guitar sounds doesn't matter what the guitar sound is,though, like whatever it is for that band, I feel like he so good at itdad's a little season. He just makes it perfect. Yeah he's he's very good at itand obviously that comes from an engineering background, but man, I'vejust there's not a yellow card song that has bag guitar Tom in anythingthat he ever untouched, and so they greatly benefited from that. I thinkhe's threat and then he went on to do a ton of other records to so good goodfor him. Okay, so, let's go to dear bobby together these shisen thousanddays, the Maoris we saved since life. Is that as I be it's all right, I'll be Ryan, starts playing piano a little bitaround this time too, which is a kind of fun new dynamic, especially if yougot string players at your disposal so kyle. I your thoughts on on dear bobbyokay. So I'm glad you went to me first because I I feel super conflicted about this songKay because they're the things that I love, I love so much and the thingsthat I don't love just don't hit quite for me, and I got to say that, like his GRANDPA on, there is just too muchfor me. Okay and like I know that it's real, and so I appreciate it like I'm,not trying to be disrespectful to his GRANDPA or anything, but like it's toomuch, it's it's. So it's unrelated. You know how, like you guys, all recordmusic. So you know how like everybody is like. Oh I'm doing this song aboutabout childhood. I I need to get a gang...

...of kids in here to sing, and it's like,Oh yeah, what a great original idea and like anybody that anybody that's ever recorded music islike that's a bad idea and, and you know that they're going to gothere and you just kind of entertain it, and I feel, like I feel, like Ryan, waslike hey guys. So I wrote this song and I really think it would be cool if Iget my grandpa who's really old and not going to be with us much longer to comein and say these sweet things about my grandma. And what do you think and likeno one's going to say no to that and they just let it happen, and I feellike it pulls you out of the song a little bit and then the other complaintI have is like. First of all, the chorus, I think, isbrilliant and simple, because if I die then I die love in you. I love that somuch, but then the I think the line about twenty thousand days is so badlike that is just a bad line. See I like that one! That's what's funny. Ilike that one, but but overall I love the song and the things that I dislikeabout it. I just wish I just wish they were different and I love seansbackgrounds on this one he's a yeah. That's a great point, he's a shove thathe does the background vocals on this kind of Callin answer stuff for them alot they have they blend well because they sang together for a total them. I love it and- and there are thingsthat I wish t so- okay crystals good. Next, what are what are your thoughtson it on do your focus, say yeah, I felt the same way like it's. Not It's.Definitely the one on here I alwas like yeah. I don't know, I think I thought of the movie signs when Kylewas talking about about it like how the guy you can only swing at every pitch,and I feel like that's what rinded on his sis, like he swung so hard, andsometimes he nailed it in the w. What do you wish? Your wit? That's all, soI'm complete I'm conflicted because I do remember initially when you hearthis record being definitely taken out of it with the recordings yea and but I think that he I I I have an adversity to that ingeneral. I don't like talking on. Like my, you know, every hip hop album ever thatthinks their comedians in between tracks with this stuff, where it's likenot funny, and it takes me out of the song to song thing at least there'smusic behind this, but then I think the more I listened toit, the more it became endearing and- and did I don't know if I want to say- makesthe song better but because, like the song would be, we know what the songwas about anyway, it's not like the lyrics are vague or something right. Ithink it makes sense, but I don't know I kind of like the little C. I thinkthey grew on me, and so I think that eventually I think that it's betterwith it, because the context without it would be too cheesy. Does that whichsounds weird for me to say that the recordings with GRANDPA take it down anotch in the cheesiness, and it makes because to me it's like ifthis was just a love song it'd be too much, but because I know it's a lovesong about his grandparents. Somehow that makes it like. Okay- I like thisnow more than I would have if I didn't have the clips, so I think I camearound to it and I he can be sometimes when he gets a little sappy. That'swhen I think he's the worst at lyrics. If that makes sense, and there's acouple of them in here that are kind of like that, it's like he does the same thing. There's acouple other songs, I'm trying to think of that I feel like have when he gets alittle sappy. I just kind of go. I don't know it's not quite hitting methe way. I think it's because it gets to. Hegets too specific and it and it's no lower could be about anything. This islike only can be about this. I think, sometimes when he gets a little sapper,but whom I had to talk about people with sappy lyrics. I certainly can't judge, because I do it too, so I think, but Ithink it grew on me enough. I mean spoil alert. It's it's going to be mygrowing out of show encasing that, and do you remember, yea does have acartoonish almost voice. I think, and that may be part ofthe problem. I think that that might be the thing. That's bothered the newkillers. Album is like this too. I don't know if you guys have listened toit at all, but it's like all in between every song. Is these talky interview,things and stuff, and I think it's almost. It is the same kind of thing. Iremember it jarring me and keep my this albums been out for like a month atthis point, but it like jarred me at first and then like as I've listened toit a few times. I realize like it yeah, but these are really adding a lot ofcontext to what this whole album's about, and so I end up liking it. Butit's not one of the it does. I agree I...

...don't like how it just takes me out ofwhere I'm where I was at this point sometimes, but I think it works for thesong. I don't know we probably talked about that. Longer than we needed to,but let's go to track eleven, which is you and me, and one spotlight re, buton the last time I'll try your lives not much time Chris pone. What are your thoughts ontrack? Eleven yeah? So what I don't know how to say this. I do like this song, but some of y some start trying to feelsome ones all start to feel the same at this part of the album we're going toget to a little more rocket at the end. But I mean I don't have anything bad tosay about the song. Like I mean he shows off his pipes a little bit a goodtune, but I just didn't hit me. It e hard or anything just all right CAL, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna, go out on alimb here and say he's talking about doing it on this. Maybe I just got shy. Maybe that's whyI was like. I don't want to talk about the song. I feel weird and- and I think it's I think it's likethe nicest song about doing it. Any any pop punk guy ever wrote may be more subtle than like boys. Domen I'll make love to you, but I mean I like it and honestly it. I thinkI really do think that how much I did not like lights andsounds fact how much I liked this record, I'm like yeah see I'll take it.I like this verdict, you didn't like lights and sound just to be clear,jolly. Oh just Lee, clarified or sure yeah, not not that one was a no for me, desoryeah! I like this song and I think also he's just I mean I get what Chris is saying andalso I think that he's just it's it's something he's good at. He can write ahe can write a slow he can. He can ride a slow jam. You know, so I think that'swhat he's doing, but I also the song always makes me laugh because it islike the cleanest song about Boning I've. Ever I see I've, not gotten thatI mean I do see where you're coming up with the lyrics, but there's a fewlyrics for I'm like it doesn't work. Then for me, because, like what about okay you'll get me before the endingtake my body set my heart free, that's fair, but I like what so onemore show one last time. I guess that could just be: Maybe it's the last timethey're doing it it a final to about that is. I think that what we didNoshun O we talked about out the time everybody's talking about which theyhated their dad, and he was like I, like my dad s really hard for us. Hesaid to hold some guy ee when he's talking about doing it, he's like M,just really enjoyed it girl. If he's, if he's talking about boning the bestline, is it won't be long now? Oh, my God, it's too good just beingtotally honest, this will not say a lot hung. It will change the song to you,just listen to yeah. Now my it's my new favorite. Thank you. No, I don't knowthis is where I'm like. Now I don't now. I want to know like I really haveto know. If that's what it's really about- and you picked up on that, he calls in He's like yeah, that'sabout doing it, I'll tag, I'll tag him on the instagram post and, let's see ifwe can get him to so, was also about my grandpa cures. Oh No yeah! Now I don't want him tolisten to this. I do on someone. I would love his musiclistening to this podcast. Okay, here's w here's where I am it's it's less about this song, but Ireally do think these last three tracks are the strongest like three trackending of of an album like as far as like how they go into each other, and Ijust I think they fit really reallywell...

...as the last three tracks, this one's alittle bit slower and then the next track, which will do in just a secondkind of ramps up quite a bit, and I just feel like it's like theywere written almost as like one song. I know that's not the case probably, butit does feel like. I want to listen to these three songs together. When Ilisten to him, I don't ever really want to listen to them separately because I feel like they really go intoeach other really well and stuff, and I feel like this is the start of that. I feel, like the other album. That'slike that, for me is Jimmy World Chase this light, the last three tracks onthem are so good and they feel very similar to this, where it feels likethese three tracks are meant to be played together, I mean I always feellike the whole. Album is supposed to be played together, but but man, I really. I think, that thoseare two albums that I can think of where I'm just like God. They finish sostrong and not just with like the last track, but literally with like no we'rereally going to drive this home and to me it. The combination of like thesethree tracks for me kind of define the what the feelof this album is, and so this kind of starts it. Eventhough I'm with you like Chris, like I don't it's not my favorite song on therecord by if I had to rank like which ones were better, I don't know that Ieven necessarily put this above some of the other tracks on the record, butsomething about the way where it is in the album and how it leads into thenext two songs makes it a better song. So this is where the track order for memakes this a better song that it may be if it was somewhere else on the recordthat a weird way to think of this well now- and youknow I was a little busy with the last twoweeks, so it was hard for me to listen this all as one piece and maybe maybejust the fact that I broke it up like it didn't hit me that way. I would dothat. I think I'm go to try that out now try it out. I mean, and I do thinkthe chorus gets a little bit, especially when we repeats it like that.Melody can get a little bit repetitive when it gets repeated, but I do reallylike the verses a lot on this once again. I think that he does so manypeople can throw away a verse because they're like Oh i've got the course.That's what matters and I feel like he does great courses. He also does, asmentioned. I think bridges are he's kind of super power, but I think the verses on this whole albumare really good. There was not like a bad one and I don't feel like any ofthem are throw away or even were thought as secondary or lesserthan on the choruses, and so- and this is another one- that I do really like.The the courses and the pre chorus is specifically, I think, they're reallygood, hey also Chris. Maybe you just need tolisten to it and think about boning. That's the key, an you think of it likethat I'll text, you guys before I listen to it and I'll, make sure, andlet you know that hey call you that yeah, I'm gonna, be like that's whatRyan said: Yeah Okay, we will key. Will Oh gosh, so many innuendoes with hislast a key? Okay, let's go to track. Twelve cut meMick. That might seem kind of like a weirdclip to pick, but I just really love they're, so good at that, like hey,we're doing this chill string, quartet kind of thing and then Bona no, no, Imean- and it's just this rocking and I love that they can jump in thosedynamics and you don't really think anything of it it's. This is a weird like you hear theInter of this song and if you I told you, like, Hey, there's going to belike, like a string quartet throughout the rest of this, you like what what also I can never ever ever when Ilisten to this song counted in right from the intro. I cannot ever figureout where I'm at something about the way that drum and trow is, I think theone is where it isn't and by the time they get into that verse, I'm not onthe right thing and it doesn't matter how many times were trying to count itout. I know I'm wrong right when it comes in, but it's just one of thosedumb things where it's like. I could not count out the intra of this songfor some weird reason. Anyway. What are your thoughts on Cuppy Mick? Let's goto kyle first dude. I think he picked a perfect clipand I I agree that going from the stringsinto that new signature, sound right, yeah, they're doing it again and also II refuse to believe that this song is not about rocky. Oh, that's the line, Rightt cut me Mickand and you're the one that I need. You...

...know that I can still bleed bring meback to life. Obviously, it's been a very long time since I've seen rocky,and so I just totally forgot about that- and this is also one of the thingswhere I just don't pay enough attention to song titles and really until I wastyping this out today for the clips. I was like I kind of forgot that this waseven called cut me Mick, because he obviously do say and he's done- thatmore than once. So that wouldn't surprise me if we know he's a fan of film right yeah, that's interesting. I like that. I likethat, take Chris. What are your? What are your thoughts on on Cumy Mick,which we now assume is about rocky? It has to be. That line is definitely fromthat movie. I didn't pick up on that yeah. This is a great tune, kind ofhiding here, little Picabo action at the end of the album like rocking outonce again, this like percussive interesting drum, be playing out withthe lyrics. I think what you said, Blake kind of hit on thesame thing, the count is kind of weird it's hard to figure out exactly what'shappening, I'm the same way as you like Oani, tryto count that it just doesn't quite seem to work, especially with the Intro,and I do have a question for guys what. Why did the background vocals on thatclip that you play hit so weird? Is it just not normal for for him to besinging just so naked by himself? The the violin is that him, or is that yeah?Is that shows that somebody else I thought it was yeah, but it just hit ithit me different, and I was wondering why that was maybe maybe just so usedto him Yep, seeing along with Ryan, I don'tknow yeah, I'm not sure kind o get. I thinkyou're right kyle. This is probably about rocky yea and in a cool way, no a very coolway. I like that. I think that's a Co way to write a song. I've always kindof wanted to try. I've tried it a couple times and it's hard to not besuper on the nose, but it's a it's a good kind of songwriting trick of likeif you're kind of out of ideas like pick something that you like like abook or a movie and pick one little thing about it or something and try towrite from some perspective. I listen William Ryan key is, he is,was the other song about doing it and was this about rocky? Please get backto US get back to us. Let us do love you. We Love Your Music Yeah, we're setfor lights and sounds. We are a giant. We are Gatliffe fans of yours, pleaseup fans, yeah, it's true, yeah, okay, so see I'mlearning new things about this album, even though I've spun in a milliontimes at this point in love it and proves how little sometimes I payattention to lyrics and including in the title be cut me Mick might thatmight have been a hint yeah. I think I think you're right and he's done that acouple times so, including about the dark night before it was even written,he's that town yeah you're right. Okay. So let's go to the last track andalso the title track paper walls here we go. Let's take what of hers and rideit all down on these paper walls and listen to Chris. What your thoughts on the finaltrack paper balls is how you ended out Tom, Oh yeah. Yes, it's got everything.It's almost a valid. It's got the freaking that metal sound that we'reall digging so much on at thirty seconds. If, after that, the part youdidn't, the part you played is like an Almae to the very beginning, there'slike a little instar and in thirty seconds that, like a that, like guitarScool, it's it's a bad, a way to end the record nice job, a plas yeah,especially the altro out of Cutey Mick, into paper walls. It's like this fluidthing and got the little choir at the beginning of it, and then you yeah theycome in super hard and yeah. They end it on the right note for sure, Co,whiter, thoughts on paper walls guys. I have nothing more to add than whatyou've already said. It is indeed bad a as Chris said it is very bad, a what afreaking awesome song and even lyric wise, like the last verse, is like myfavorite set of lyrics on the on the album. I just love that whole, like youknow, let's take what hers write it all down burning it all. You know. That's such agreat verse. It is so good and obviously we didn't have the visual for,because all the art works based on this song too. Obviously, for it front of it,so the little paper houses and the back...

...of the album they're all burned down,and it's a it's a cool most of the time. I don't really care about at mart work.Honestly, it's like it either catches my eye or doesn't, and then I don'tthink about it anymore, but I liked that they took like a Oh. This isactually has like a it's, not just a pretty picture. They were like it hadart direction to it, and I liked it. It really does elevate this song a littlebit more in the album and that's a cool thing, because that doesn't, I think everyone thinks about their artwork, probably more than consumers ever do you know every every person in aband like over thinks the art work. Probably, and- and this is a case whereI'm glad they took the time to not just put a picture of a girl in asunset or something like that which is fine. I'm like I'm not doggingon that at all. I'm just saying, like that's fine, I I like the Ocean AvenueSound, I mean cover, is also awesome like I'm not like dogging on it. I'mjust saying like I like that this one does elevate something about the track and the the whole album asgeneral, so yeah great final track. Man Again, these guys have been really goodat this of like the opening track and theclosing track, although I think you guys didn't love the final track on onOcean Avenue. When we talked about that, I do I remember correctly. Am I wrongabout that? It's been a while yeah. I thought I remember you guys being likeit's okay, but not loving it, but I could be. I could be slandering you right now. I don't know.Maybe you didn't say that a time ago it was a while ago. Maybe your raise itthat maybe we like it no way we could find out, there's no way we'll everknow yeah. We could just go. Listen, I guess a question. Does his GRANDPA talkon the last song? I know okay, well, hit's, not talking about yeah, it's solid! Okay. So, let's go tolasting impressions. What do you guys think does it hold up? Once again? I laugh every time. I askthis question because I think have we done one that didn't really hold up atall kyle. What do you thought? What areyour thoughts? It definitely holds up and I think it it's so obvious that they to me that they correct course withthis. Album, yes and- and- and I believe that like this is this- is them being great andthey just keep getting better and better from really from here out. Ithink I an we're going to talk a little bitmore about it, but I think this is a perfect record. I think it's everysingle song is on it. I didn't I don't care for his GRANDPA being on the onthe one song, but I still I wouldn't want. I don't want that song to go away.I still really like it, and so I mean yeah. It holds up and it's still really.It's super impressive, like you may mention this earlier, but like to havea record that doesn't do well and doesn't connect and and then to beable to put this out. That's pretty impressive and probably points tolights and sounds. Although none of us really love it it'd be hard for us toargue that it probably what the record that they wanted to make. I mean.Excuse me, it was the exact record that they wanted to make, because, because here they are doing their, youknow correcting course doing their thing, and it's like this is great andI I think they did so without like just going back to what worked on OceanAvenue. It's not like a e a this is not confused with Ocean Avenue. In myopinion, like there are a couple songs that maybe could have fit on there.Maybe yeah tops, but like really even the like, eventhough like balls of the wall stuff on this is harder than anything that wason totally Ocean Avenue, I mean, and so they managed to yeah. I think it holdsup because they they didn't dig their heels in or give up. They just realizedlike okay, we are, they didn't even ever say they like thought. It was abad record, a license sounds, and so they just thought they like. Maybe itjust wasn't the right record, something just you know didn't go right, and I think that that's mature torealize and nothing about this screams. Desperation,though, does that make sense. It's not like yeah, like I don't feel likethey're just like. Well, we better go right only one again like there's, notthere's they're, clearly not doing that either, and so I like it, and I agree that they continueto do that and they really, I think they hone in their sound on this record.I think that what Kyle said is right like and that's what I think reallymakes it hold up is that they there's a lot of elements from this album thatthen happened for the next three or four records that come after this andand becomes a stylistic thing that they...

...stick with, and it's easy to get into aRut when you work with the same producer all the time, and I they'reone of the few examples of someone that continues to work with the sameproducer and with good results. I think sometimes that can be. You know youmake more than three records of someone. It's like you might need to switch itup, or else you get a little stale right. I don't feel like they got staleof the, although I wouldn't say there are agigantic production differences between their records, but I do feel like theydo a good job of like there's, something that makes it cohesive and and so yeah. I think I think it does agood job of that Chris. What are your thoughts after I've rambled for a bit,but you yeah, you hit you hit on probably the most important point. Ithink the reason I holds up sonically. First of all, it just sounds so goodstill, so so so good, even though thirteen years old- and I also exactly what you said about how thesound that kind of came to fruition here is what makesevery record after this so great and it it's such an interesting journey forthis ban, because ocean avenue it's like it's like this little sectionat the beginning of their career and then life sounds like we have the Segue,where things will quite go right, every album they make after this and thenfollowing are just chock full of amazing songs. I hope we get to talkabout some of the other albums and other episodes, because I'm sure wewill yeah I love yeah. I will continue to pick yellow card records yeah for awhile and whereas they weren't playing arenasor like they didn't get Green Day, big or bleak Uina too big. I think theywere. I think they had a really consisted career of like selling out mecab and use her the rest of their career and isprobably because they just kept making really good albums. I think it reallystarted with them. This record, going back to the roots a little bit andsaying: okay, Weird Segue lized sounds didn't work out. People didn't like it.What's not like re Rido should avenue, but let's take what we've learned. Youknow you got to put a spin on it and take our experiences, songwriters andmusicians and learn and how much better we've gottenand make they just kept Makin phenomena records after this. I agree, I think sothis is this is where the question comes in and who we might say somethingdifferent. This would be interesting to compare it to the the last episode wedid for a yellow card album, but is it their best album? Because I bet wewe're probably also conflicted we'll, say something different on this onethan we did on the last one. So it's go to cal first, what do you think it'stheir best? I was just thinking the exact same thing, so I think no, Idon't think it's their best, but it's it's great. I think their best and Ithink, on the last episode I probably said when you're through thinking sayyes, but I think southern air is the best at least that's where I'm at rightnow and also I I really dig that they did what they did on lift thesale and just said you know what we're going to take this a little bit we'regoing to we're going to take this up a notch and be a little bit heavier alittle more a little a little different than the other yellow cart stuff. Ilove every record that, from this point on I mean they don't put out anythingthat I don't love so yeah. I agree with that. Chris. Whatabout you? Do you think it's their best are to be southern air man, I'm withbirthday buddy here. That record is so freaking good top the bottom o good,but yeah so one say no, it would be, but if you were to do some sort ofpoint system for all the records I mean you'd be like one would be. Ninetyseven want to be ninety four. You know what I mean it. Wouldn't I ris this isit's one of those for me where I adore this album enough that the vinyl copy that I ownis more expensive than most files. I havebecause it's hard to find there are people asking like four hundred dollarsfor it on Ebay. That's ridiculous! I didn't spend that, but I don't knowit's really hard for me and I really don't know what I said on the lastepisode, but I do feel like you're right. What Kyle said is dead on as faras like from here out, I love all the albums that come out and lift to saletook a little longer to it. Was it didn't, hit right up front, but Iremember having a text thread between us that I was like guys. I think thatlift of sale is like, like a very much a grower. This is before we've beendoing this podcast. Obviously, but I was like this is like a huge like tookme kind of a few, like maybe ten spend twenty spins or something like that toreally really get into it. So I didn't hit me as fast as like this album didlike I immediately liked this album it didn't have to grow in me at all. I, these three in a row specificallyare really good this when you're through thinking, say yes, which Ithink is a great album title, and then...

...southern air, and I go back and forthon those two. It really does depend like it's almost like where I'm at inlife. Is it changes, my but southern air is, is really good too. I'm kind of with youon that, but I can't I can't pick it's really hard for me to pick. If I thinkone is their best album or not, but I do feel like because this is the startof them kind of defining themselves a little bit better that they. I think they do get alittle better at that on the next few records, and I actually really liketheir final record too. I think it's yes, a it's. A great final record sohard for me to pick on is at their best album. What about? Is it their mostimportant album? I think this one's probably going to be pretty easy, butChris? What do you think I? No? No! I don't think so. No I mean it was a ablip. I mean it wasn't important. It wasn't important for their career. Imean, I think it was important that they bounced back yes, so in some waysit is in some ways, if, like they don't bounce back, maybe they don't become,they don't get to do the next several records. So, in some ways at that sortof fork in the road kind of situation, it does seem important, but that's alsogoing like that's a what, if kind of situation, and it's not important bythe standards of it didn't make them super popular, it wasn't a breakthroughrecord. It wasn't like they invented something new completely onthis record, they kind of redefine themselves a little bit, but so I think it is an important one. Ithink it's probably the second most important record. Is that fair, because,like ocean avyou avenue is probably going to be the one? That's the mostimportant, but I would say this one being able to come back after light andsound, not working very well, I would say their second most important tocowes that could work but yeah, because it really, it really does bridge thetwo pieces of their care together. Doesn't it yeah, even though this islike pre hiatus to me, it feels like part of the next four albums that comeout as opposed to, and so it kind of makes ocean avenue and enlightenedsound kind of on its own little island. For me in my head, even though there'slike almost no time between lights and sound, and this album, it just feels somuch different that I can't I feel like this is the start of the next thing,whereas like Ocean Avenue Lights and sound, was a different period of timefor the band, but maybe that's weird kyle. What are your thoughts? Icompletely agree with you. You can make an argument that it is their mostimportant as far as their career continuing yeah, but you know just as far as successgoes. I mean yeah ocean avenues and there's probably not a song that, likethe average person on this, album, is going to make them feel the way that,like only one or ocean avenue, or I mean any of the I mean, but I can tellyou as a fellow fan like yourself, that all the record, this record and andwhat came after it are probably more special to me. They are in ocean avenueand so yeah I mean you. You could convince me that in that way we wouldyou know if this record didn't succeed or give them any kind of success, maybeor if they don't make this record. We definitely don't get the rest so, but no yeah or even if they wait to, Imean yeah, even the gap. I mean the fact that they then go in a hay is thenext year. What if they don't make this album before they decide to go intohiatus and then may they never come back or maybe they don't have thatjuice in the tank of having an album, they're really proud of and like I saidagain, I'm not saying they weren't proud of life and sound, but theyadmitted that it maybe is a little dark. It was a little inst. Maybe it was likenot the right thing for the time. Yeah, that's a that's! A curious,curious thought. That's kind of the first one I feel like we've had, thathas like it's sort of a lynch pin yeah, but we don't like no one would list itas an important album of which is a bummer, because I think it's one of thebest pop tunk albums of that decade for sure, especially because we don't getwhen you're through thinking, say yes until what two thousand and ten oreleven I forget what year. That is that thatcomes out, but two thousand and eleven two thousand, and even so we don't getanother one for four years after this, and that feels like a signifi and it'sa good one yeah. So I'm to me this is my one of my favorites of the twothousands and that's fair to say, because the next ones don't come outuntil the two thousand and tens okay, let's go to awards, desert island songs,two or three of your favorites Kyle we're going to be. First, you got topick first, O, okay. Well, I don't know how I wasn'tprepared for this. I never you know very of very rarely. Do I actually markmy songs before we get to this point? It's almost like. I need to ruminate inyour guys opinions of songs before I really pick them, but I do the samething. I I'll go yeah the final things...

...yeah the final picture. It's got to befive becomes for the take down and I'm going to go paper. Walls, man, I like the final track Chris. What about you? What are you?Your desert, Island Ache Down? Five becomes for, but I want cut me Mick. Istill, you know, lost three at the end or are hiding there and I picked onetoo. I think man it's hard. It definitely the samefirst to take down and in five becomes for a R, my first two, but I'm I'mreally torn between those two that you all pick. I think I'm going to go withKyle, though, and say paper walls all. I think it's still consense of man verystrong, very strong track, and normally I feellike that indicates that the rest of the album is lesser. But I don't feellike that's the case here. I think it's just that those those songs are soimpactful that it's hard not to put him on the list of things that I would wantto listen to you all the time. Okay, what about nobody's perfect? What's theworst song on the album, I'm curious! What happens here Chris? Do you haveone? I didn't really have one for this one I mean. There's not! I don't knowman there's not one that stuck out that that badly to me yeah, I'm trying elco this one. I don't!I don't have a pick for this for this one Carl. What about you? No, I think it's. I think the record isgreat. I disagree with some production choices on dear bobby, but he went toematics way. To put it yeah, I don't I don't dislike the song. I wouldn't scryall yeah. I just disagree with that decision and that's why I likened it tothe children's choir, because it's it's a trap that everybody falls into itjust made, and we mentioned on a few songs on this record earlier that, likewe enjoyed how like it, was a little vague and it wasn't super on the noseand I feel like that kind of went against his his you know usual, not not being so on the nose,and so that's what I didn't appreciate. It appreciate about those productionchoices, but I still very much like the song yeah. I you know it's. I probablyshould have been more specific about this question when we first laid outthe format for our podcast, but it is one of the things it's like. Am Ireally true just picking like if I had to rank the songs? What's the worst oris it one? I would actually kick off. I agree because I agree with you. I wouldnot kick off a song on this record, but I do feel like if I had to pick onethat, I think is the lesser I mean I might pick shadows and regrets. I don'tknow just because it's not like it's a bad song. I just feel like it's not asgreat as the rest of them, but but I'm with you, I wouldn't kick itoff and I wouldn't I wouldn't. I don't think I would change what this recordis, but I just if I had to pick one that doesn't make me feel the way therest of the tracks feel it might be that one. But that's just me if I had to what aboutgrowing on a show or Chris, do you have one grower and not? I show her. I don'tknow why, like it's weird for me, for a secondtrack to be a grower, not shower, but fighting just like kept growing on me and like the first time, I remember the guitar ton sticking out tome so much because the Jangle canglar at the beginning, but then I and Icouldn't get past that but like after that that song just kept growing on meand I think it's one of the more stream songs off this record too. So maybe I'mnot the only. He feels that way. Cal Do you have a song that you maybedidn't like at first but now are totally into no no okay. I think dearBobby's kind of that for me, because it did so hit me weird at first. I waskind of like what's happening on this and it kind of did make me maybe not like it as much a front, but it grow me a lot and, like I saidhe, the stuff that you disagree with Kyle the the recording of the GRANDPA.Actually, I think, are endearing now to me and they weren't at first. So I'mgoing to put it as my growing on shore any final thoughts on the record beforewe had out fellows either. One of you have any insightful things to say aboutyellow card this album or otherwise. You could just talk about love. I don't know what I don't know tyou guys, but whenever we do the second time, we've done a yellow cart and thenI go on a yellow card cake. I don't see it ending her another few weeks, yeah just like yeah playlist Chaku of a RyanKey bridges. I think that my my final note would be that I think yellow cardis a criminnally underrated. Pop Bunk Fan isthat I think that they, I think they...

...were really good, songwriters, reallygood musicians, really good live, really unique. As far as like youcouldn't confuse them with someone else, and I feel like that kind of flew under theradar, because I don't like when I'm when I tell people I'm like I'm like, Ilove, yellow, Cart. They're. Like really I mean like that's the reactionI feel like I get more often than like. Oh Yeah, you know I mean like that,makes sense, and I just I wonder why that is, and I mean I don't know I justfeel like they made so many good records and I feel like this is a yeah.I kind of dipped a little bit of lights and sounds, and then they just releasefive after that that are so good, and I just don't when you look at that, how many people even have three goodrecords. I from this period of time how many people and- and I think that, likeI said, they've got six really really really good records and that, like forthe most part, I wouldn't take a track off of, I think they're well produced. I thinkthat's really good songwriting think even the track orders and things likethat that are little bitty things we pay attention to, and I don't know I'mwith you. I think I'll do the same thing. Just going a yellow card kick,which I kind of always I do sometimes anyway. I did go back and listen tolight and sounds I didn't do the stuff that came after this, because I alreadyknew I loved it, but I did try lights and sounds a couple times just to belike was I being unfair and I still it still hasn't quite hit me. I like someof it a lot more than I did, but it still just doesn't it's just notas good as the stuff that comes after it so, but I do think more peopleshould like and listen to yellow card, because I think they were really good and that's my soap box that I willstaying on in my wife will disagree because she is a it's too rocky for her.She just can't handle when I e haters a hater. I thoughtabout recording clips of her reacting to every song and sneaking them in hisclips, but like without her knowledge like in the car, or something like thathere. Her complain about it, but I didn't get around to that. Somaybe for the next yellow card album. I will do that. I will sneak in clips ofmy wife complaining about me a blasting yellow card in the living room. Well,that's it for us thanks for listening and again, if you like what you hear,please consider giving us a great review on itunes and you can subscribeso the new episodes conveniently show up on your phone when we release themor I pad or whatever you listen on. We do it's fun. I look at the analyticsfor these things and there are quite a few people that listen to podcast. On Ihats I didn't I mean I guess that makes sense I've. Just I pictured me likecarrying around an IPAD and listening to it like maybe that's not how itworks and of course you can send US comments, disagreement suggestions atInfit, finding Lopa or you can find us on all the social medias at at findingEmo pod until next time we'll catch it then. So you all right.

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