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Episode 36 · 2 months ago

Ep036 - Warning by Green Day

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

"Warning?", you say, confused. YES. We think this 2000 Green Day album is the catalyst for the follow up success of American Idiot. Full stop. We love everything about this album, despite it being a commercial disappoinment for the band at the time. 

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Welcome to find emo our podcast, wherewe discussed our favorite albums in the early odds and thereabouts. My Name isBlake Fisher, I'm joined by Kyle Simmons and Chris Ponie, and we are thrilled that you're herelistening and we squeeze this one in before. I go to Mexico at like forforty tomorrow morning. So this is how much we are committed tothe two week release schedule guys we are I'm doing once again once againwork for the last episode, but we are again we went from being a Bat Lesleycommitted to so committed, but like we couldn't miss to in a row that wasgoing to be bad. If we like had a month gap between yeah that'd be bad so, butwhat they don't feel is that we're early we're actually ahead of the gameright right, yeah, we're like we pay. We paid the loan payment like one monthearly and now the banks like hey you're late, were like no actually, we've beenearly O, not really we're just on time. This month, Y, AH, by the way likeriddle me, this are you: Are you four forty flight? Are you around the bendkind of guy you actually going to try to snooze? Oh, I will snooze you riskymove man there's a thing now you I to call you. I can't sleep on planes. Ijust don't see l. If I could sleep on a plane, then I might do that. But now I'm I'm going to go asleep for afew hours and then also try to sleep a little bit on the plane, but won't seewhat happen. Do you fear flying? No? No! I just can't get comfortable. I justlike you know a kind of the same for cars for me post having a van with thebed laid down in the back where I could actually get horizontal. Would youtravel with kids you pronounce paper tickets? No, not most of the time you just Oh,so you have multiple passes on your phone yeah, okay, that sor! I just sawthat progressive out. You know, don't turn in to your parents and Oh yeah, OK that so we're thrilled you're here with us. Listening as I am now on abeach in Mexico as you're listening to this yeah by the way so glad you're with us, we would loveif you subscribe to the podcast. We love. If you gave us a great review.Great reviews are always good. You could win an all expense trip toMexico by giving us a five star view. You could win that you could yeah. Imean we're not going to pay for it, but someone else might yeah it's possible.Someone would have an autonomous contest based on our views alone andright Om. Well, the e pockets. What are they? What do they call that therethere's a philanthropers. Is that right, flat philanthropy? I I that's whatCuomo was right: Yeah Governor of New York? Oh no way that was something elsephilanthropic people on twitter that like to give stuff out yeah. They coulddo that ye yea your vander belts, your rockefellers and yeah. To a lesserextent, if you are listening- and you are a rich person that wants to give charity to someone feel free togive charity to one of our listeners, that gives us a five star view right,it could happen, don't even give it to us, give it to the people that arelistening. Okay, yeah yeah, we make really generous of us. We make reallygenerous of us, make killer money off this thing too, we're all set. So noI'm about to quit my job breaking in the cash anyway. Today we are talking about thetwo thousand album from a little band called Green Day. The title of that album is warning andkyle is going to tell us about it. Kyle tell us about warning okay, so I'm justgoing to start by saying, I'm not going to say a lot about this record and alot about this band, because it's green day like if you don't know who greenday is, I really don't know what to tell you like. You must not listen tomuch music and, and also you start every episode with early outs. Itdoesn't get earlier outs than this to it on the OD. This is a and also like.This is this is pop punk's hey day right andthese are, I mean I think you could argue that these dudes really startedbringing it back right I mean. Am I wrong in that with dukey Ker plunk?Maybe a lot of people knew that, but like Dukey was it right and Oh yeah, Imean yeah and for an so what I'm going to say about warning I'll, give you thebasics it came out in October of two thousand. It was actually leaked onNapster, an heart appetere on this I know verymuch, but some napster leaked to this record and the thing that I find interestinteresting about everything that I read is that, like this is this was like this is thefollow up to Nimrod and in case you guys don't remember, there was thislittle song called. I mean parentheses time of your life. What was it? Whatwhat was the full title of that Song, good riddance, good, ridden there? Yougo good, ridden, parentheses time of your life, which was on everything I I did all right. I, yes, every everymontage from my high school of all the...

...photos of US feature has three hundredand fifty million streams huge got a song huge song, okay, so they follow upthat record with this and three years later to three years later.It is a long time for them because they went like what ninety five ninety six,ninety seven yeah, those first yead records, yeah, Yep and so first fromfrom everything that I've read it's interesting because they weredefinitely dealing with a little bit of of like they were shunned by the scenethat they helped bring to the light. People were like you're, not punk rock.You, like one of their home town venues, didn't allow Green Day to play thereonce they became big again, and it's like that. That's so freaking stupid,also green day, probably wouldn't have played there or couldn't have playedthere because they were too large. Well, you say that, except they played canesball room a couple weeks ago. It was tour. Did you hear about that? There isnot a show that I regret missing more than that they announce it the daybefore we're playing Canes Ball Room, fifteen hundred people capacity. THAT'SPRETTY AMAZING! We'll never have that opportunity again unless green daysplaying when they're eighty years old will never have that opportunity to seethem in such a small venue. No, never I mean you haven't had a chance sinetousand, nine hundred and ninety five right. Well so well, Chris did nevermind, creates av a gun, so so it seems like they were. Maybe I don't want to say that they werestruggling but, like you know they blew up, they were a gigantic band and thatsong raised them to heights that no one thought that they would reach, and thenhere's this record and what I love I'm not going to I'm not going to get aheadof myself, but I will mention I'm excited to talk about important recordswhen it comes to this band, because what I love about this record is yeah. It came after it came after thebiggest single that they ever did, but this record is right before Americanidiot, and I mean what a what a weird space in time for Green Day and and this record was even considered kind ofa failure for them. It did sell, it did go platinum but like it was, it wastheir smallest record since signing to a major label, and I love that platinumis in two thousand- is a failure. It's crazy day, a d two thousand. It's likehow you guys only went planum one time I don't know who ad to drop you. So I don't want to. I don't want tomess this this pronunciation, but is, is it Rob Cavallo? You Guy ThinksCavallo, that's, alas, road. My Ball had done their previous R, a couple ofthe previous records or maybe even trouin, front of them yeah I as we say,er in front and all their major label Yegor's so and they decided they were going to gowith another dude, and then it didn't work out with that dude. It was someguy that worked with rem in Nirvana and he just wasn't bibing onthe new direction that billy wanted to go on this record, and so they broughtrob back in and then they decided to really produce it themselves and he islisted as an executive producer, but really he was around to record and hangand like maybe give advice, but this was this: was the dudes tray cool Mikeand Billy, Joe and and by the way, just to pause on RobCavalla for a second? He did those first, not first three, but the threemajor label green day records. He also did like Google dolls. He did all those likeIris. The thing that was on that sound tri. It was huge yeah. He did. He did obviously after this he goes onto do American idiot and my Chemical Romance Black Parade and, like he's areally good producer, I just think that that should be underlined and stampedthat he's great and I think he served as a good executive producer on thistoo, but I kind of I didn't realize I thought he produced this. I didn'trealize till I dove into it a little bit that he was just an executiveproducer and they did a lot of it themselves, which is pretty cool, so I was going to say so yeah thatdudes big time he knows what's up it released. It got leaked three weeksbefore the album that I mean that's pretty almost a month, man that hurts- andthis is pre. You know the leak start getting worse after that.I feel like I, Oh yeah, you fast forward a couple years and you'retalking about albums that we talked about like acceptance and stuff thatgot leaked like oh months before which totally murdered the momentum of thatkind of thing. Three weeks is still not great, but it at least a lot of the promotion machine is already runningand stuff, but it was just a new reality in two Husan. This was a thingthat could happen, so sothat probably...

...would happen, and Oh yeah yeah. I did Imean yeah. It was hard to not have it happen. So, to put this in perspective and andto go on a small side. Tangent, good Charlotte is quoted as saying thattheir record their record young and hopeless came out at the same time andit outsold this record and they were like Green Day were our heroes. So,like obviously, they said that this is one of their favorite green day recordsand it was hard to like wrap their mind around the fact that they outsold greenday and I quintas in the same boat. They were out selling Green Day at thesame time, right kind of weird. These guys that basically ushered in the Gentotally well and and also on a side side. Note a listener recently calledme out on kind of kind of insinuating that good Charlottewasn't good, oh or haven't held up, and I just want tosay I like good Charlotte. I like their music- I don't but that's okay, but butbut that, but like I just don't think they're legends the way that freakingcrachit people could hear Chris's face right. I just very upset no they're, not Imean I don't think good Charlotte would say that they're no tin. I think it apoint. I think in this quote that that's the proof was in the puddingright. They said that it was crazy to think that there you know that theyoutsold them, and then I had to get this quote in, because this isn't methis is a direct quote from Mike Durent it's. He said that at the time they experienced kind of a wonderfulpiece of closure in recording this record, because punk rock music was nolonger popular in the main stream. This was kind of after them getting shunnedfor getting gigantic. He says, and I quote: Punkrock Music was no longer popular inthe main stream as new metal acts such as corn, Limp Biscuit and kid rock wereexperiencing success every time I laugh, you tried to work it in. That is aquote quote from them. It is a quote for I know it is er. I just like howthat's a worked in the butt rock. I do say it, but true, though faith, it istrue true, but also, if anybody's interested in things like this, you cancheck out oh gosh. What's the album, bringing it all back home by Bob Dillonthat that record was really influential on billy, Joe and and also this recordwas critically acclaimed, in particular for his songwriting chops and I'm justgoing to say holy smokes dude like I am a Green Day fan I'm all in at thispoint, and the writing on this record isinsane. So I've got a couple other fun facts. Yeah hit me if I may M well. Sothis is kind of a weird connection. Is that the engineer onthis album? WHOSE NAME IS TONE? It's not his real name, that's sort of hisnickname of that's what he goes by with credits and stuff like that was theengineer so he's the engineer, and he did our christianized bands EP. We went out toOakland, actually I guess Berkeley technically or whatever, and and did arecord with them, and so you know in the studio talking to this guy that,like he did engineered on a green day record. You know we're kind of like Oh,my gosh. That is awesome, but the one thing that stuck with me when we workedwith him was he said that Billy Joe was the best guitarist and vocalist he'dever worked with in a studio as far as like the only time he had to do. Asecond take on guitar was if he was at this point, he started playing. Thosekind of is less Paul, Juniors or whatever, like legitimate ties ones,and so they go out of tune fairly often, and so he was like. That was. The onlyreason we had to re do a guitar take is because the guitar was out of tune, soI was just always really impressed by that. Like Huh, like I don't feel likepeople think about him as being a great guitarist, because most people don'tthink of Punk rock as great guitar, chops and stuff, and I just thoughtthat was quite a testament to be to say that that was the best guitarist likeas far as rhythm guitar. I think he might have said Rhythm Guitarspecifically, but that he just nailed it first take every time unless it wasout of tune and basically said the same thing with vocals just nails it everytime do his. Do you remember the other thing he said about Billy Joe'ssongwriting? No, I don't at least tell us gross yeah. I remember he had a great saying that billy that you know we're all three songwriters in herewhen you get a really good song.

Writing idea, like you, you like singinto a microphone or you try to remember it and tone said that BillyJoe didn't do that that he would, if he really liked something he would put hisguitar down and go to bed and he he said if he couldn't remember it in themorning. It wasn't worth remembering. Oh, I do re that that is a great that's,a great line, although I appreciate his ability to do that, but Keith Richardsfrom rolling stone disagree because he did that tape, recording of the Lick onsatisfaction and then snoring, and he teral just woke up the next morningwith this tape. So sometimes you can't have a great idea and forget it. Ofcourse, I think his was probably more substance induced yeah Richard side, but that is a good.I mean I like that. I like that whatever works for you as a songwriterand I think gosh. I think that he always had really good popsensibilities. I think you go back to Dukey and you just realize like it'sthere, but I do think the punk rocker and him tried to fight that. That'swhat it feels like is that like for those those- and I keep saying first,three records- I realized they had records before Duke, but Duke for that,I purpose is the first huge one. That's a big thing. That's and I go on hadsuccess because Dukey had success. That's that's a back cataloguingsuccess, exact herd, and so you know it's like those. The reason that recordwas so big is because it was punk rock and the songs were great and but Ithink that they always kind of, I think they did care more at one point.Obviously they're younger they're, a new band. I know I remember watchingthere behind the music. Remember that show on Bh one was an awesome, showcream behind the music: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, er a huge band, andanyway they were talking about how they didn't want to sign with a major label,because that wasn't punk rock. They were really worried about all that kindof stuff and they turned down like a ton of labels before they finallysigned, and so like you know, I just know that that mentality had to creepin the songwriting and production. I know it really bothered him on Dukey tonot be able to just record his guitars with everyone else like he wanted to. You know, because you do Overdo, youcan't just sweat from cleanin stuff, you're actually and he's like he didn'tlike that. He wasn't just like playing live with everyone and then doing hisoverdub. So it's just funny how, like you just fast forward a few years,you're talking about less than five years or a little more than five yearsbetween those two, probably about five years. If you just look in atproduction but release date wise, and I feel like he learned to embrace the things thatmaybe he shunned before, like his pop sensibilities, he clearly has a greatmopsii and I think he embraced his like being a great guitarist by not hidingbehind all that distortion yeah and like really showing off his chops byhaving less distortion. It's a cleaner, guitar sound and needs even acoustic onsomebody's album up, and it's really. I just think it highlights everythingthat he's great at, and so I think that this is the kind of the first albumthat showcases him like a hundred percent. Does that make sense totally and El, and I think peoplesometimes mistake something stripped down as being more simple, but thisrecord is clearly not more simple than it's, not for well and a yeah. Anymusician will tell you stripping things down like this. It's a lot harder toplay an take it sound as good like don one. One thing that I thought wasreally cool and makes me very excited to talk about later is the album was recorded at Studio, eightN. Eighty in Oakland and tray cool noted that the bands work ethic in thestudio, we're not really sprinting we'reworking at the same pace, but it's pretty fast pace for recording we'refaster than every other band. Pretty much that's what I've been told andwith this record we aim to construct a solid list of tracks where each songcould be its own album and made sure to make each song well thought out andwell placed in regard to the album's track listing and which is not probablyreally something they did before now and it's something we talk about allthe time like it seems like people do not put enough effort into that, and- and I think it shows on the in andwithout that, do you get American idiot, which is clearly like a concept album,which is maybe maybe they're learning right. Maybe I think that's what I feltlike to me yeah, it's like the beginning. You feel the the beginningof those those moments starting here well and in the other thing like beforewe get it, we can get in a track by track real quick, but I we said we weregoing to talk long about it and we you met. You were going to talk long aboutthe history of Green Day, a noon days, a band, a green, a yeah, but but what Ithink is so interesting about hearing that, like people were shunning thembecause they got, I guess they, the years before, like with Dukey andNimrod and INSOMNIAC, they were never ever able to headline warp tour. Itjust never worked out for them, and it just so happened upon the release ofthis record. They could- and it's like all the other bands like fat Mike, istalking about how this record sucked and, like you know, they shouldn't,have played it b because they're not...

...punk rock, which is hilarious becauseof what warp tour turned into for one yeah. So yeah. It's like it's amazing to me thatsomeone could listen to the the lyrics of this record and not think it's PunkRock, Oh yeah, you like this and warning was the first single the wordsof that song are so freaking, punk rock and it's relevant now. But people needto remember that this was two thousand. When someone was singing this like itwas so punk rock it was not. I don't know, I'm just bothered by peoplesaying it's not patals. There was a great on. There was a great quote fromhim. I saw one time that was talking about writing or releasing or recordingor whatever it was on good, riddance and and that you know everyone's kindof like worried about like Oh, this isn't punk rock, you can't have stringsand your stuff and they were kind of like you know what it's the mostpunkrock thing we can do, because everyone's telling us it's not punkrock, like in some ways doing the apse of what everyone expects and whateveryone says you should do is what it's like a mentality more than it is,and so that's why they were like we're going all in on that song, because theythey didn't they like they liked it the way it was and they wanted to do it andthey kind of felt like hey. This is the most punk rock thing we can do, and Ifeel like that. That mentality obviously carries over to this wholealbum so like that song is a precursor to being a little more freed up to go.You know what, let's do what we want to do like forget what anyone else says weneed to be, and the truth is it. It got a little tired by Nimrod. I mean. Is that fair for meto say that, like those three albums there is nothing that really separatesthose other than good readin. Other ten re in good reds Oeris? They are theproduction, wise, they're, the same right, they're, basically, the samesong riding kind of stuff. They could all you could almost interchange mostof that stuff album the album, and I don't think you can do a fourth albumlike that and it work out- and this sounds weird: We've not technicallygotten t first impressions, but we're just so were at first impressions,let's just good se. Let's go I've been talking about, but that would be that would be kind of.One of my things was just like people are always. I saw mark copis avery similar thing with paramore when they came out with their self titledOne. He was like look. What do you want them to do the same thing over and overagain, like that's boring, and this is great like Yep, and this is exactlywhat they needed to do and the haters are going to hate and who cares likethis is a great oute and- and I just think that you can't the people thatare going to sit there and gribe about it- are probably going to great nomatter what, if they would have you know if they did the exact same thing,they'd get tired of it and if they didn't do the exact same thing, theylike to complain about it, and this also goes back to a thing where peopleare just like. Oh first of all, no one liked green day before they were huge.I don't know, I don't know a single person that knew a green neighbor forDU. If he came out to be fair, because I was in like fourth grade when thatalbum came out, but I'm sure there were people out inOakland and stuff but come on like I just don't believe it that in the mids-and so don't pretend you would like, like this band before they were pop wayback then you're trying to like hold on to them or something just kind ofdrives me crazy. But let's talk about first impressions of the album when itcame out in two thousand. I feel like we'll go to Chris First. Well, I absolutely loved it. I was at that Warton or two or twothousand. I talked about it. On episode, Yeah I talked about the packer tim upall right, Green Day, ope green day play before Weezer I mean I was at. Iwas at a very legendary work, tor it was in San Francisco, so he goes bestpart about playing airs. I could see home right over the bay over there. Itwas awesome man, it's super cool guy should have been there. I I even I do not want to interrupt you,but I do want to ask you something about Green Day at that warp. Tour Yeah.One of the notes was they actually were people suggested them to. That was thefirst time they took another guitarist on tour because they wanted to beef upthese warning songs because they weren't so punkrock. Do you rememberthat, and did you notice that I didn't notice it by the time they were playing?I was pretty far back. I was by myself, so it's just a weird like you know, youhad a big show like that. You don't really want to be like in the mise yeahyeah exactly, but I do remember them. They set that they set their drums.that o t you tray, set his drum set on fire and it was. It was not a man, theguys nuts yeah. I love it and the the thing I remember about this album to islike me, you know Kyle Menia, just gotten out of high school, so like thatsummer, you know right around August that mid that minority video, I feellike a S. videos on MTV every five minutes or MTV to whatever it was, butwith the balloons and everything oh yeah, Oh yeah, you know what andyour minority was the first single right right right right, I said warningsorry, no no warning was the second sil yeah. I remember minority was on, butbut Wen morning, because that m...

...minority was more of a classic sounding Green Day. Song Yeah,not not it's the most classic Green Day Song, and you know what I mean likeit's. You got that pirate chant shanty fill, but it's also, but warning was like Whoa. What is thisand that music video is just. I don't know why I love it so much. I think itmight be one of my favorite music videos, they're just playing in thatguy's kitchen and the vibe was just so stripped down forthis ban. That was like that that was, they were mega stars and they were justtrying to bring everybody back, and I also remember I'm sorry, I'm talking tomaybe a little too much but even like when we went on our first tour. We wentto California, and there was this house we stayed at and this guy had seen Mikedirt playing in some small club in La with a band called the accelerators orsomething like that that he had and the guy was telling us like yeah these guys.They just love music like they play little shows with little bands. Theydon't talk about, they don't announce it like. You know, they've got friends,and it really shows in this records caysjust love making music and they were like trying to bring it brick back downthere like all right. What do we want to do? Let's just do what we want to do,instead of doing what everybody expects us to do. Yeah I loved it. I love that,doesn't it's just genuine! It's genuine kyles go to you! First Impressions.Were you one of them that stole it off Napster? I didn't here's. The the truthof the matter is I'm going to be honest with everybody with all of our friends,I'm always honest on here. If, if I could have, I totally would have myparents didn't, have a computer that could download Jack No y a I mean thelike, so it was like go to a friend's house and convince them to block theirparents phone line for a day to download sweetness by Jimmy or allliterally a day, sometimes yeah. So so, if I would have I I er, if I could have,I would have, if I'm being honest, but I did not my first impression. Chris Remi reminded me with theminority thing yeah I remember hearing minority and then also this is reallyweird, but we talked about V H, one earlier behind the music. Also MTV usedto play music, then and MTV did a special for the release of this recordwith Carson daily and they talked briefly about each song and then theywould play a clip of each song and I think they played a couple. Songs live,and I remember hearing these clips and being like holy crap. This record isgoing to be amazing and and also being like. Oh they sound just like therecording that they just played. I mean they're, so freaking good, and I was already a huge Green Day fanat this point, so I was I mean they could have, they could have put outwhatever and I was going to buy it, but I remember hearing those clips andbeing pumped and I loved it from from my first Lisen through and also Iremember this cool feeling of already this band that I loved like- and Ididn't have my guard up because I loved Green Day already, and so I got to goon this really cool journey. The first time I listened to it, like I remember,just being like what the heck is going on, but in a really fun cool way, so yeah so again, like I said, I'malways honest on this. I did not really I didn't have this album. I didn'tlisten. I M sure I heard it. You know. I had friends that had and stuff Iliked green day, but I was not huge in the Green Day in like two thousand, Ididn't really get into the until after this album came out. I you know it'slike. I said all my friends had it all. My friends had Dukey, so I heard Dukeyall the time, but I didn't own it like in middle school and stuff like that,and I liked green day. But I was like two thousand just kind of right when Iget into kind of Punkin Pu pop pop punk and stuff like that, so I didn't really have the you know the Jeki ision what camebefore and how different this was, and I remember liking the singles andliking the videos a lot, but it didn't didn't get on my radar enough to me togo by the album. So, but eventually I listen to it and yeah.It's like I'd kind of forgotten. I'd not honestly, listened to this in areally long time, and immediately I was like I think, Kyles like yeah callsright. This album is like flame, like it's, so so good and and what I loveabout it in hindsight, is that especially because hindsight ofAmerican idiot, because a story I tell fairly often when green day comes up,is that I was a substitute teacher when I was like in my nineteen two thousandand twenty one in my band days me too and Oh yeah and I was at my old MiddleSchool Mayfield Middle School, and this is right when American idiot is hugeright and this kid is like we're like we're listening to the radio, and itwas probably like ninety four point- seven or you know whatever and an oldgreen day song was on and I was like. I can't remember how I got brought up. Iwas like this a green at they're like what I was like yeah I this is GreenDay and they were very talk and they...

...had at the time. They had no idea thatAmerican idiot wasn't Green Day's first record and I was like how could you not-and I start doing the math on how old a seventh grader was one than in ded andninety? You know, and I was like: Oh, you were like three yeah. Of course youdon't know it's not that Blake, it's that he that they were posers, you should have called them call. Thebout like go to the principal's office is o Ely Loved Green David. This is pre,spotify and stuff like that, and so he didn't know there was this back catalogand I was like blowing his mind that this song, that was on the radio at thetime in the class that we were in he like, didn't, know his Green Day, and Ijust thought that was such an interesting like how many there's not alot of bands that get to like totally start over with a fan base yea. As faras like that many albums in with really successful early albums, I mean theirfirst major label. Album is a huge Om, Duke's gigantic and launches severalother bands and all this kind of stuff, and so now, looking back, I realize howmuch this is the catalyst for American idiot, which obviously gives them justI mean you talk about success before that, and this might have been kind ofthe calm before the storm, because that album is just gigantic, and and notonly does this clearly like the guitar work is awesome. I love the cleanerguitars. I think you really get to see how he shines as a guitarist. I lovethe kind of over compression of everything like everything, sounds sogood shot out to tone for making everything sound, amazing, and so I just like I just didn't. Ireally wish I would have loved this album. Two thousand is basically what Iam saying, because it is really good. The Guitar Work is awesome and I justlove a love that you can see that like getsmore political with this album, which obviously is a preciser American Adit,they really think hard about the track listing, which is obviously veryimportant. If you're going to do a concept album after this- and I thinkthey also embrace those pop those like pop sensibilities, they have- which arefine like there's nothing wrong with them like that's, not a pop is not abad word if you're a good pop song writer- and he is a great pop songrinner. So Oh yeah, I love it. I think it's great and Ithink that my first impressions then were Oh yeah. This is cool. It's adifferent vibe! That's basically the extent of how much I thought about itand then, like a you know in hindsight, I realized like Oh no, itwas like it was way, more cool than I think, even the people that love thisalbum like you at the time, I think maybe even realized like how maybeimportant it was going to be for their career because it really does like therest of their music after this album is different like to me. This is the themilestone. That's like that's really the thing God like that, our questionsthat come later it's going to get interesting becoming well because yeah, yeah and you're rightkyle. It's so tight. I mean like it is so good and it's not because they were over produced or or timecorrected and stuff like that, because they're fantastic musicians- and I feellike this- does a better job at showcasing that than their previousalbums and I'm not saying they're, prove previous albums aren't tight tojust. I think the production on this one and the in the direction they wentreally showcased it better and really made them shine as as a musician, sothat'd be my kind of first impressions combined with some time. If that makes sense, I can'ttotally say that's first impressions, but shall we get into track by track Othat work for you, fellas? Okay? So let's the affor mentioned warning andtitle track. Let's go with that Jack! One warning in you, a man God so fo me on the go on a ledageree,ation exertion. I E Christ's air drumming. So you know hegets to go first rules Chris. What are your thoughts yeah, what a trippy song for green dayto write and play, and it was so good and, like I said, the music videowas perfect and spot on the drums are really cool. I don't know man, I didn't even know like what to thinkabout the song, but I just knew that, like every time the video was on orevery time that song got played, that I wanted to hear it again and again now,there's a thing on the Internet, about the songing you rip off of a Kink Song. If you guys heard this, no I've not, but well,so I yes, yes, the king song is intentional. It's an image! There's a tyeah it is. It is a homage they've acknowledged the Omagh okay, okay. Okay,that's what I always thought. I was like it's so obvious that it's like yess! This is a yeah. So for people say...

...it's a rip off it's silly! It's like no,it's not not exactly, but there another song that you're saying yeah there'sanother song like I don't think I mean it's in the wikipedia page kids visitthat it's someone claimed that that they they took it from him and they'relike Ewe. This was inspired by this. We romson else, so I tink some by the way it's calledPitch Picture Book. If you want any wants to go, listen to that, okay I'llput in the link, but that is yeah. That's my thoughts on that song. I lovethat I love the song. It made me feel like a freaking kit again seeing thevideo to like that. Was it's a magical time. The year after you graduate highschool- and you know you're staying up all night because you do whatever youwant. If you didn't go to college with a Studeo us not right away anyway CA. What are youthoughts on warning, Dude that freaking rift riff? I don'tcare if it's a no Magor, not like, so you don't have a pulse if you're, notdigging that and the fact that, like the the acoustic follows it thatbaseline and he's singing and he can do it, live it's a that is a mind bendingpart and then okay, so you've got that part which kicks freaking, but thatthat perfect, high harmony in the chorus it's just like so simple and soperfect. It elevates it and then the lyrics man, this song right now isrelevant. It is such a well written song and, like I feel like I feel, like the thewriting that went into this song was probably overlooked at the time likebecause not many people were saying things like this, and so it was justlike yeah green days. Thinking about something that's cool and the fact is,it could be played now on the radio and be completely relevant yeah that youdefinitely the Bob Dylan influence. lyrically is very clear and obvious when the song,but like he does a good politics and music is one of thosethings that either makes me want to pull my hair out because I hate it, butit normally. I hate it because it's not well done this is well done to and it'snot and it's, and it's also not trying it's not so in the moment that it'simmediately dated either in the sense that you're right likethere's the line about the police thing, that's real eas on. I picked that clip.It's like we're talking about the same thing right now, twenty one years laterright and like so he's twenty years ahead of time. Honestly, you know, oror maybe six years late based on La Riots or whatever. But, however, youwant to look at it, but I don't know I just I feel like he does a really goodjob at it, and so many other people try and fail really bad at that andincluding vans. I really like with songs where I just go like literally.This is so cringe worthy or so two thousand and three that I can't. Ican't do it it's not because it's not in a good way that makes you think oranything it's just like, and I feel like he like right of that, and also Ilove the acoustic tar coming right out of the bat like hey we're, really yeahwe're not going acoustic like good ribbons, but we are like rocking itlike. This could have been heavy distortion, but I like that they wentthe direction of no we're going to go the opposite of distortion. We aregoing to go acoustic guitar and is this the simplest drum beat trayever played ever maybe yeah. Also so what you're saying about like politicalsongs, Blake, I think the other thing too is not. A lot of people are beingpolitical at this time in music, and so it I mean almost for no one. I mean itrage against an Achin okay, but are they but but like they're, not huge in twothousand right now. Are they now? This is little Lerici Park live this kit.These are the bands that are big this year, yeah well, but but well, but rageagainst the machine predates this. Oh Yeah right at that this yeah, I'm Sithe,don't have a big album an to so so, but but what? But I guess what I'm gettingat is we live in a time now we're like whatever the trend is one way oranother we're going to get just oversaturated in that right like so. Itjust feels more special that this guy is speaking his mind at a time whenless people were speaking their mind and it might not be popular exactly etime and so and so like that's what I dig about it and also how how bouncy it feels and and Nice and happyit feels and he's he's just got a forked tongue on this. You knowhe's going after all of us really. I agree. Let's go on to track to whichis a blood sexinessgive me a...

Eveena. What are your thoughts on whatsex and boos the song, not necessarily the cognation of those things? I, likethose things- and I like this song- I have to say I just I kind of justrealized Blake- asked me to pick the clips for this record and I didn't andMoving Co. While you were playing this just now, I was like he did it. He gotthe the beginning of the musical bridge because that part is so freakingawesome and fun. Also, like I love that this song is just it is what it's about.You know like he's, just he's just talking about it and- and Ilove again that it's this dark subject matter and it feels happy. I love thissong and I love the clip you played. I don't you know there are some people thatwrite songs and I go like that's. Not that's an exaggeration or that's nottrue, I believe he's in to it. I believe he was going to Dominatrix atthe time like. I actually believe that that was probably a real thing he wassinging about, and it would not shock me at all really Chris Way, yourthoughts on on the tune, the song moves in such a cool, wet that didn'tthat syncopated. It's like a the wickape article.Actually references is the sound that they call it is. It's got a swing to itto a little swing, percussive acoustic, sound at Yatha. Ijust could in III, just I don't really know how toexplain what, but but yeah the long wakes be so happy plus it like Blake, said with all thecompression and the clean guitar tones it. But it's perfect. I like everysingular note it's exactly where it's supposed to be, even though it's like a borderline kindof punk rock song with that little swing, but it's still one of in thissong has that that same the like the chords and themelodies are working. A lot like songs did on on the albums that came beforethis, but in a new way like it's taking something that he could have writtenwithout the swing without the acoustic without the and it might have fit onDukey, but like he changed it enough, like he's still the same song writer,it's not like he's writing completely different stuff. This is still youchange a couple things about it and it fits on Dukey or something. This is, Ithink, kind of similar to crap. I just totally drew a blank onwhich song from Duke it reminds me of, but I'll think of it and anyway, itkind of reminds me of that in a way, that's familiar, I'm like Oh. This isgreen day, but with a new thing and which I think is the best way to do. Analbum like this is like hey we're not totally ditching what we did before. Iknow so many bands that, like didn't ow my loved and the next album, is too fargone. It's all right, you know, like Juliana theory, is an example like that.I love that first album and then love comes out and I'm like I hateeverything about this. This is not the same band. I liked that Waldo, they didn't ease you intoit, no, no not at all, and so you have. I just feel like they. Thisis an example of a song where they do that really. Well, the I you know- andI do I do like it and so and yeah, and I once again Itotally believe him on the subject matter. I can't I can't believe how topress that get every time someone mentions Juliana love, yeah. You know I gave it another shot afew years ago, because I was like I'm going to try this thing again. Maybe Iwasn't mature enough for me while eating a tomato he's both still so basically is how that went down is likeits tomatoes. I do hate tomato. We both we both try them every seven years, yeajust to check it out and- and I tried that album again and it does it juststill sucks so good good to know in case any of youare wondering if you need to go check out that album again, you do not need to check it out. Okay, let's go,we will not be doing it on this podcast we'll do their first album a hundredpercent. We might do it twice. We oistins happening on this this for suretheir second an will not let's go to track three church on Sunday...

...e e guys. I love this song. Okay, the lyrics are amazing, and do you knowwho is playing organ on this song? Oh, no! I don't, but it says, is somebodyCool Ben Mon tinch from the heart breakers is playing organ and I wouldsay my only complaint. Production wise is that that is not high enough in themix. I would have had that. I would have had that obnoxiously high, becauseI wouldn't have there's no way. I could have been like guys if we have been onplaying organ on our record. We have to put that up to refugee level like thatneeds to be cranked. If I have only that might be my onlycomplaint on this, but it is a little low, it's a little low. I want ithigher and it almost I wonder, tone he it. He didn't that he justengineered not tones. He could have done something about it. They couldhave made a phone call. I do I, it is a Jack Pug. I don't know how youpronounce that Guy's name he's famous, very, very good mixer, so I'm notsaying he did a bad job at all. I'm just saying I would have put the organa little bit higher. That's just me call what are yourthoughts on church on on they breaking awesome. The lyrics to this song areit's just such an awesome story and really just like all of us compromisein relationship and this song captures that perfectly the little solo that youplayed right there. It sounds like so authentic, early rock and roll to me.Yes, I like, like a buddy, holly vibe orsomething yeah, it yeah rock and roll, and I love it. It just sounds and solike, okay, so there's that part- and we were talking about the bridge on thesong before this- like they're- not distorting guitars, yet they're stillfinding ways to rock like that- rocks man and and dude what I, what a wellwritten song, there's there's. I can't read the whole song, so I won't do that,but like every every line in this one is gold, but I do like that. Thecompromise like is, is not weight in his favor on all the leader Weltons.That he's like well compromise, but he really he's like giving up everythingfor jeetle concessions from her. Yes, he likes her and I love that. I thinkit's a great, I think it's it makes it a great relationship song and such asuch a funny idea to like, if you, if you out and party with me, I'll, go tochurch with you well and if you live with me I'll die for you like in theSumerian. That's a compromise yeah. I love it. Chris, what do your thoughtson the tune? Yeah, I mean you guys said all the good stuff opening line. I mynote was that line is so cheesy like it, but he pulls it off. So Perfect, Ohyeah, and you also put that line in their son like gross, come on and yeah the organ. Ithink we already talked about that, but the organ the way, that's just it'sperfect church. On Sunday Oregon I mean you grow up going to church that that'sa sound synonymous with Sunday morning, at least in the church. As I went tothat's, not how church is any more, but in the s a s that was that was soundwas what you heard, what you, while you were singing your hymnals. Now I thinkthe praise band right- oh well, you know, you still have the I mean in inyour black churches. The word going the whole time, guys a nice right right.It's it's like the it's the assist, it's the Ed Mick man to the preacher,the whole time. That's right, the Yes man to it! But yeah you got to get someorgan in there for sure yeah yeah, I'm loving it, and I just like, I said,turn it up just a little bit because I, like it binman's my favorite pianoplayer ever a keyboard player. Shall we go to fashion victim track for ere. Wego a what a a let's go to you. When are your thoughtson fashion victim dude, this song, the lyrics to this song are scathing. Justhe is going after someone, the line that you just played when you'redancing through your wardrobe do the anarex a Gogo...

...o the next one. The next line is worsecloaked with style for pedophiles as your credit card explodes like he's notplaying around with with the lyrics to this song, and that just opposed with the bounty happyfeeling and even later, in the song that Whoa, it's incredible dude like incredibleyeah. He is really good at that Juxta position of the feel of the song versusthe lyrics of the song, and I that goes back to like Dukey like she that's agreat great song about like yeah being physically abused by, but it doesn'tsat like you, don't notice it like if you just listen to the song and thenyou're like Oh this rocks, it's just rocks. I like this. It feels good he's really good at that, and I do I dolike it quite a bit Chris. What are your thoughts on a fashion victim thatI feel the same way as you guys are? The lyrics are just just brutal and Ijust absolutely love the course of this song yeah that gun gettone dictate woes man yeah, I I don't know it almostmakes you angry how perfect of the songwriter billy go arm Saris and the guy can sing.I mean it's. Not An easy song to sing is perfect lazy things that a yeah thisjust there it's a kind of wordy, and it's great, so man yeah. I would love to know who he wastalking about. That would be yeah. was He so pissed off at probably a supermodel? Well, he is nothing. A dude, though he's a he's, one of those like old school guyswith the long term relationship right ever everheard of Derek zoolander Blake. This movie cameout then, and that's who he's Madam, I think he thought that was a documentary.I'm just saying I said Super Model and you said, but I think it's a dude andI'm saying Oh you're saying there are due super models. I don't I mean theVinton Tie is what leads me to believe yeah. Obviously. Well, I think he'sgoing back and forth right. What do you mean? There's the first verse he'stalking about the vintage to Oh you're, right, you're, right, you're, rightyeah, I don't know he does he ever talk. He never talks about a dress or anything. And Oh, oh! No! Youdoes it does say it looks like hell to me yeah, you yeah. It does, but he's also famous for doing that.Right, YEP switch went to went to a Hor, a yeah. He said Yeah you're right. Hedoes the exact same thing in one line. He switch at the Oh that I remembersinging that line in my not singing to my dad, but I remember Dad I'd like tosing you this yeah. I don't know why. I should finish hisstory. I can come O mens case dead, Daddy, Daddy, O sing, you a ericfor the day as a fat grader. Oh Boy, do you want to finish that oryou want to go to cast away and pretend it didn't happen? I was trying tojustify that the lyrics weren't as bad as he thought they were so, I said seehe says horror, but it's a guy like man hors like a different thing than whatyou're thinking is or it was like he was like. No, I think it's just he'sjust being funny, so I think you're right. I think he was probably beingpretty Tung and cheek on that one. Specifically. Okay, let's go to Y. Utrack five castaway Otelia! Take back what I almost forgot to stop on that fade out,because I was enjoying myself so much Chris. What are your thoughts on castaway? All I have to say is bench a bench to bench, bench bench about that. It's all Icould think about what I did do this song. This is this song is so great,and it's it makes me want to skink it kind of does yeah and I was nevereven skinker or a sky guy, but this that that rhythm makes me happy. Itdoes Karl. What are your thoughts on dudeyeah, so the rhythm to me, this has always had Greece vibes like it couldbe a song. It totally does that's wake and yeah kind of H, and also like sowith that we've talked about this like five times now were. However, manysongs in where, with that, like the high concept of He's a castaway in hisown mind, like the song, writing, that's going, onn is insane thefreaking line, a conscientious objector...

...to the war. That's in my mind had thesame note. It's so line Yosh. It is such and also like the high energy liketruly if there were a soundtrack to my youngest son when he gets sugar alittle too close to bed. Is this freaking son, like he's he's just going?It's just insanity, Oh, and also, I don't think any of US talked about theinsanity that is Mike Durance base playing and how he never quite repeats.The exact same thing: twice he's really good. Oh my Gosh Hey. What can we puthim in like the top tin of underrated basis? Es Top five? I think he'sseverely underrated that he doesn't show open a lot of list, but he's solidhe's got a sound, that's definitively him and and yeah he's got great baselines and stuff. I got a question: Why did Zamech not put this in the in thecredits of film cast away that came out the same year with the whole cast DaneIsland with the crew yeah? Without takes it's a yeah like like a balloonthings, there's something about Mary, all those movies to yeah the fairlyBush. They would always have it a Dana umbershoot like they should have donethat come on in some in Zamech loves a good pop tune, and if so, it may me forthat power of love is because of him, and you know all that so so anyway,just a funny coincident all they both came out the same year with the samename, but I don't think they were on each other's radar, probably at allyeah, it's a great song, though I mean it's, it feels good. I like the lyricsa lot, it's a different feeling than really anything else, green day done or anyone I mean not, Imean not anyone ever but like it was just a different feeling than a song intwo thousand. There was not. That was not a thing that was on my reader Yep,I'm sure it existed, though. Let's go to track six misery. YEA new, you say that's Teraee to love with Budini Gnao,I'm curious. If any of us have this same note, so I'm going to let you guysgo first and we'll go t kyle. First, what are yourthoughts on misery? Man? I'm? I always feel pressure when you say that, so I'mnot even going to try, I'm just going to tell you I'm just curious. It's notlike a big pressure thing. I just wondering if anyone else this song isinsane. It is insanity and it is amazing. It is it's just. It is just creat. I love howit opens Virginia was a lot lizard from fla like that, is just a crazy line. It's insane. It sounds so good theinstruments on it, like I don't know regionally what this is, but it's likefreaking fiddler on the roof type vibe. You know what I mean like yeah. Iwanted to look it up to what I mean. There's a there's, a south of theborder feel to this, but there's also a right bittles. Well, it goes Mariachiin the bridge, a yeah, and I don't know what this this is: How no little worldmusic I understand, but like this, this has a vibe, a very specific vibe, and Ican't I don't know the name of what is what is so what's crazy is, I feel,like it has a very specific vibe and then it seamlessly cruises into thatMariachi part, and it's just like this- is in it's insane because it works, andit's just it is perfect. Man Like I am so I love this record so much, I'm likehappy sitting here talking to dudes about it and each clip that plays I'mjust like this is a freaking, fantastic record, and I hope, because this recordwas, you know, a disappointment for green day it undersold because it onlywent platinum. I hope that there are people that listen to this podcast thathave never given this record a chance and do you're welcome, like that's howI feel like it is so good. So Chris Way, thoughts and we'll see. If you have mynote, maybe I couldn't I couldn't find it either. What what it was because itwas almost like, I wrote, Spaghetti Western question mark, but it's alsolike kind of a Russian Slavic vibe that yeah, because you I was the Russiansinger and fiddler on the roof Kyle. I don't know if you know this, so thishas got a vibe very similar to my solo is got to break a bottle over someone'shead. It was sugar glass, but I'm sugar, that's a fun thing! I got to do thattoo. One time there are timpany drums in here yeahthose are hard to tune, hey have to listen to the song andheadphones like if you haven't. You should stop this pod cast becauseyou're, probably listening and...

...headphones, and go listen to this andheadpots because it speakers don't do it just and I'm kind of blown away thatlike I want. I want to know how much rob Cavallo was involved on this track,specifically because it would really blow my mind if, like tone and greenday, like came up with all this crap on their own, like that would blow my to tone said something aboutthat. I remember him saying we all helped a lot. I'm sure I remembersaying that yeah, I okay, so here's the note I had that youguys didn't have rob. Cavallo goes on to do postAmerican idiot does black parade, as I mentioned earlier, and I don't believefor a moment that he didn't think Mama was MPLATE. Reboso Kayed, both albums- and this I mean it-is a in- is a adying on it. Your right is which I'm not taking away from my camelromance they're doing the same thing, they're going like so great album, yeahgirls, re of them, I'm just saying like some. It is the same. So we talkedabout we all bench of Filler on the roof. But like is this the very firsttime where he starts like like bibing on this idea of likemusical comedy rock opera like this is on a very show don be vive right like,and it feels like it's selling a story of something: That's not story, it's afore and it's perfect. It was perfect and every way I think I think it'sabsolutely a catalyst more than the man. He goes on to write the blood way theBroadway show right. Well, I mean the Broadway show is the is the music fromthe thing easo there's American idiot, but I thought that there was anotherBroadway show that he worked on. Oh did he I don't know, I don't think I know.I don't think I'm aware I'll research in the next thing. That does that doessound vaguely familiar. So you can. You can research that andyou can shoot me a clip or not a clip o no, no in a link and I'll put it in theshow notes, but yeah I mean I think it's absolutely like. It's definitelyyou're going like I'm sure, if you're listening to this album in two thousandyou're going what is happening right now, it's kind of weird but then likehearing this post American idiot, especially you're like Oh. This is likethe seeds of what comes next and there's obviously a gap between this,an American idiot to a little bit more so than well. I guess it's the same gap.Basically that was wait when did American Adia come out.Is that two thousand and four three, maybe three, the four either wayabout the same gap or a little bit more, but I definitely think this is likewe're on the road to a concept album storytelling kind of like oh we're,going to expand this from one song to a whole, album and and and some of therest of this album's like that too, in the sense that, like we picked thestyle, we like really thought about the whole album, but I definitely think thesongwriting of this specific song is is a huge, like you know, foreshadowing to what's goingto come just a little bit later, so, let's go to track. Seven dead beatHoliday a kyle. This is where I disagree with youa little bit. I think this is the most like previous green day, Sound Song Yepon the record, with just less distortion, yeah yeah. I agree. I dothink it. I do think it still follows the theme so far of this record ofsounding happier and not be. You know like this, this one also lyricallypretty rough. You know but sounds like we we're all having fun everything's,fine freak, an awesome song man I mean justthere. They're cranking out hit after hit on this one for me, and I guessmaybe not hit in the you know traditional sense of l but like I'mloving it but great songs. Yes, five start its totally Chris Thoughts ondeadbeat holiday love, the opening with the Clean Guitar, and this song you've already mentioned the duke thing:It perfectly bridges the those two worlds were between like Dukey and thisalbum, because it's it's like kind of almost like a song that could be onDuke, I feel like. I thought I D got that clean, guitar sound and it's stillpunk rock and it's extremely hard to pull off, and they do. I would betmoney. He used the snare drum he used on duke on this. That's how much that Ithink that Sasons, just like the snare from Duke I have to go back and listensome more, maybe, but...

I it does. It reminds me of that andeven the pill he did at the beginning of that little clea, it's very much aDukey like tray like classic Phil. I love when a drummer has a style thatI can recognize kind of, regardless of of who they're playing with or a D, andI think he definitely has like a style, and he has certain fills that kind ofhis and signature and another. I think unspoken kind of fantastic drummer that maybe he getsmore credit than than Mike does, but not not by much yeah, not a lot more. Hedoesn't get the credit that, like at the exact same time, Travis Parker gets,and I think, he's as good of a drummer well and Peter. I think people are likehis name. Is Tre cool? THAT'S WEIRD! What were your sacre? Well, I was gonnasay I remember in the late and early to dozens like slingerland their wholeendorsement strategy was around him. I mean. I know he was a very celebrateddrummer yeah, but don't you think with like instrumental that kind of thing Imean that's a little different than like yeah, an als of like like ould asrolling stone, had a best drummers of all time, and I don't know theyprobably have it some dumb list like that, where they, oh it's gonna, be,like I'm sure, Terry Bosio and like Neil pert and he's probably like numberone hundred yeah, my God he might be in there. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm not giving everyone enough credit forgiving him credit, but I feel like he's a great drummer and deserves moreespecially for, like I said stylistically I feel like he has asound and I think that's more important than being technically fantastic. But maybe that's just my opinion. Yeah,it's a great song. I think it's a really good one, and I love that it's really embracing the pop sensibilitiesthat he just has inside of him and and he writes great stuff and I'm glad thathe's going for it on this album, let's go to track eight hold on, and so theshadow o wet on a a a a a GA lemons. What are your thoughts onhold on? I really like, because the lyrics are so kind of brutal and honeston this record. This song kind of gives me a little warm fuzzy, I'm not onemuch for like self motivation. That's not my thing, but I do love. I lovethis song and I feel like it's uplifting that like when things aregoing down you just really. You just got to believe in yourself and and Ilove that I love- I don't know if you guys knew this, but that was actuallyAlvin from Alban and the chipmonks playing harmonica there. So that'spretty cool. What what yeah I just made that up to are youchecking to see if we're listening? What a weird thing did you just say? I just like the picture that it's Alvancom, altangi books now I've never not pictured that but but like I alsoreally dig how it's this weird mixture of of a little bit of like the s rock andalso it's got like an Irish pub vibe alittle bit. You know and very Bob Dylan, obviously the harmonicas. Clearly youknow, but yeah F, like s folk like there's, definitely a folk influencedhere, including the Acoustic Guitar and and when I barites rocking to we're,not here in a lot of folk music in two thousand for sure that has not it hadn't hit yeah. I feel like thatthat hit yeah just a few years later, we got a ton of that, but we weren't hearing a lot of Dylaninspired stuff in two thousand. I don't feel like Chris War thoughts on hold on yeah.It's sound, I think granda did a cover of desolationwrote. No, maybe that was my kill romance did that anyway. This soundslike a green. This sounds like a Bob Dylan Omas Green Day song like it's notto Bob Dylan on the nose, but it's got that harmonic and everything and likecalls just got those nice uplifting vibes. I didn't. I don't know why. WhenI list a Green Dat, I don't listen to the lyrics very closely. I obviouslyneed to take a stronger, listen that you guys have mentioned several times,and it's dude he's good on real good on this. I wonder if I blocked up blockedout all the larks, because my parents, when I was younger, that Ithis album was a this- was a big deal. When I got this, I had the littlelightning bolt, but it didn't have parental advisory and I remember hey,but by the way, that's another thing. That's different by this album wehaven't talked about the a came before it had explicit things throughout thetrack thing. This has one explicit...

...line on the whole one line and thewhole album o boy, but boy does he say it yeah? But it's I mean to me: That'sa conscious decision, obviously, for one reason or another, and andsometimes it's that like Oh, maybe I can be a little more powerful lyrically.If I don't. You know it's kind of like comedians that take the same route.It's like it's actually harder to be funny. If you don't curse, you know,and- and I kind of I feel like it- I mean had to be a conscious decision. Imean there's just no way and especially throughout the rest of the albums andstuff, and so I don't I'm I say all the time on thispodcast, I'm not a huge lyrics guy. It's not my favorite part of songs isnot the reason I like albums is never the initial thing that I like aboutalms, but he has so many good lines that catch my ear. They make me want tocheck out the rest of the lyrics that makes sense like, and sometimes itmight even just be the line like he also has one of those. The way he'sseeing sometimes does not lend itself to understanding what he's saying andit's better on this album than it was on the album. Before it I mean therewere lines on old albums. I had to like look up and his prey Internet. It waslike you just had to guess what he was saying if you didn't have the linernotes, and but there was always like a line, atleast that caught my Kammy ear. I feel like he's just he's, got at least oneand every song that I like, like that so yeah good good stuff, and I definitelyhear the influence of the things that he listed as influences for this albumon that track. Let's go to track nine jackass, you guys know as big of a fan of BillyJoe with an e as I am I'm getting the sack solo in there like without a doubt, color thoughts on on this track. I knewyou would get the sack so or there I knew I could depend on you and alsoyour I mean dude. Like you know, we've talked about the s and like just the genres that he'shopping and also like I said at the beginning. They said that each songcould be its own theme right. They want they placed them specifically, but theywanted each song to almost feel like its own album. This one dude like ifyou listen to Billy Joel The an innocent man record with with the hornslike that, is that sound right there dude one thousand nine hundred andeighty two freaking awesome, but also the lyricsto this song are insanely good to know you as to hate you so loving. You mustbe like suicide and then the line will everybody loves a joke, but no oneloves a fool. I wrote that down e that's a great line, which is why doyou like how I got that barely in the Yah and the satiny got him both it? Imean the he is such a good song writer. You guys said a couple songs ago, likehe's storytelling and that's what he and that's what's good. Songwriting is,and- and- and I guess more than that, like you're good at it, when the storyis able to be understood right when you, when you hear it and you get what'sgoing on and I feel like he really. I agree with you.The records that came before this were all similar and it's not that theyweren't great. I freaking love Dukey. It changed my life. I never heardanything like that. Yeah, but like stuff that came for it at all, but likethis is another. This is a a next level and knowing what comes next without adoubt like he is sharpening his skills man, I agree and it's Senlin it's funfor us to get to to witness it. You know to listen. It's awesome, ChrisThoughts, Oh yeah, I mean it's really hard to saycolor than Kyles, very good at doing this on the albums yeah, but yeah. The only note I wrote downwas you know the album cover it's just themkind of like walking, downtown Oakland, probably, and this when you hear theSaxophone Solo and then think back to the album cover, I'm like okay, I thinkthis man maybe was also having a little bit of identity crisis right here. Youknow because it felt like the studio was like. Oh we're going to do or sorrythe label be like we're going to do classic Green Day. You know head down,you know leather jacket, plaid shirt and andthat the look and feel of the album and the artwork is very like classic greedday but like they were clearly going in another direction, and nothing saysthat more loudly than a saxophone solo...

...on a punk Crock, album yep. I I meanyeah at a time when there's that great joke on thirty rock,where it's like she's having a nightmare, because she thinks she's notgoing to have a job anymore as a rider and it's like she's. She meets a like anewspaper writer and a saxophone player that used to play sack Solos for rocketroll songs, and I C N and a travel agent. I was thinking to say thing intwo thousand. A Saxophone Solo would be like o right. I mean no, an it more one.It was not like that. Come out now, like now, a lot of people are doingthem based on like going back to the ES, but really we haven't had sack solosince the late s. At this point, and even billy Joel is really hearkeningback to s and S he's Harking back to like a jersey, do op kind of thing on alot of the stuff and and he it becomes his thing, but like a Bruce Springsteen,always pulls it off. Well, Yeah Yeah, but Bruce has always had a sax phonesin the band and and started in those decades. But right you know he like noone, and he wasn't in the pop charts in two thousand either his song. His Song,that was popular then was of the regime right well right, norising is two thousand and two O two thousand well right before two thousandis his like was the soundtrack, the jury Eabh, and so they were more chilland they did not have Saxas, and that was that's where we were with Brucespringsteen even at the time and so yeah I've a played saxophone. So Ialways love Saxophone Solos. Finally got one on a record of my own. Thislast year took me my whole life to find its great the right tune to do it on but yeah. So I love it on this and Ithink it's a again. I think it's the most punk rock thing you can do when noone's doing saxophone solos do a saxophone solo like that's. What's coolis to be is to not follow. What's the trend and the trend is at least we arestarting to get pop punk fans. You know we're getting blink E to S. Huge GoodCharlotte, as we mentioned, is selling more records than green day this year, so like pop punk, is become trendy.It's on the top ten of trl like every day, like one of those bands, is andthey're doing something different, and I think it's, I think that makes a punkrock and a yeah. So let's go to track eleven again and this another singlefirst single right minority is that what the order was minorities for wekywee single as we're on to waiting sorry we're undo, waiting, you're right.I skipped one, sorry, my bad, that's what I get for skipping ahead early, solet's go to track in then waiting, not minority here ago, wot be far as kind of right. This was asingle it just was yeah for so so Chris, let's go to you first. I think this is one of the best popsongs, Billy Jon Fron ever row. This is a perfect song. I mean yeah dudeimmediately feels like a song. You've heard a million times the sea time. Youhear it it's and it gives me goose bumps to this day. They're right here Imean it is breach group. I don't know what else you can say about it. It'sperfect! It is a perfect pop song. I do I do love it. I do love the transition from the likethe chorus to the end of the chorus, the wake up and then the guitar likethat. Is it down an a r? I'm sorry, I think it's a it's a really goodtransition, kyle thoughts on on waiting. You alsoagree by I made my pressions my birthday, buddy nailed it, but also, Ithink, there's a couple more things you can say, and one of them is sacredheart song. For me, Oh good, good call this. This is a good sacred heart songand what one of my favorite things about this song is like everything else on this record hasbeen so on the nose and the ambiguity of. Is he talking about new love, or ishe talking about new opportunities like I'm, not sure, but it feels hopeful inlike the best possible way and like what's to me, the best songs arerelatable, like everybody thinks that right, like the Oh, the I know whatthis song is about. I'm experiencing this exact same thing and like he justcovers a lot of ground with this one. It's it is, it is a perfect song andthe way you described it Chris is perfect. The first time I heard it. Ifelt like I'd heard it before and like it is an awesome, freaking song,underrated Green Day Song for sure I...

...think it's definitely underrated, and Ithink that you're right lyrically, it's a good. It's vague enough that it's you're rightless on the nose and the other stuff, and it can mean different things todifferent people, which I think is a another reason. Good riddance was sucha huge hit for them like again, like that song lyric, not only like it's agreat song, and it has the right feel for what, but, like the lyrics of that,I mean it was guys good ridens was on the finale of Seinfeld. For good, Imean not the lead up, the our long special with the clips and all thestuff, that's the biggest song of the time on the biggest show of the year. Imean I think, to understand like which is why it was so shocking that theAmerican idiot time comes around, and some people didn't know that this beingexisted before that album and like Oh, my gosh, they didn't just exist. Theywere on top of the world kind of, and it's weird that yeah. This is a lullfor them, because I agree there's nothing about this album so far thatwe're like. Oh, this is worse than the stuff that came before it, and I just I don't think it's all napster either Imean, I think it's! No! It's because napster was not was not a super efficient way to get music. You knowlike two, two years later, we're talking a totally different thing andyeah. Honestly, that's even a difference between I don't have broadBate Internet in two thousand, and I do by two thousand and two yeah and I andso do a lot of other people and yeah you're right it took forever. Icouldn't have download. I never done a little a whole album because I wasagainst it, but I also probably couldn't have because if I downloadedevery metallic alum because screw ar yeah, I even like Metallica, that's pretty good. You were just like Sumi Drin yeah, but I just I just I do wonderyou're just I go what what else happened? What was the other? You know? I know platinum is not a badthing, but you know everything else before it's multi, platinum and and andyou're right, they're, like also not headlining stuff, I mean they were likeon tour linkit and in court sort of CO headlining. But I know there are a lotof people that thought that was crazy. That blinket was like headlining, I mean they played the sameset times. They just played Lat, they switched, who played first and last andstuff, but well. The headlining tour they did for this. Album in twothousand was to get up. Kids was O was the openingact. They played like the Brady, theater and troll stuff, like yeah, nota giant venue, nothing crazy, yeah, so yeah and I'm glad they had. I'm glad it wasn't for some peoplethis album, that's like this is maybe the end and would have it would havebeen, would have it could have been. It felt like it felt like that at theBrady Theater that show felt like I love this band, it's really cool. Theybrought the guy on stage. You know that they still do that. Stick and Iremember loving it, but I remember thinking like okay. This feels like youcould be like the like the closing chapters. Thank God it wasn't yeah yeah, yeah,okay, now, let's go to minority and play that song. I got to give the obligatory hear Mus. I know I is kind of too good not to putit in there. Now you have gile thoughts on minority, I mean if, if ever therewere there needed to be an f word, that's a pretty good one, as I packed,though right I mean like, but but even that line dude is so good, a free forall female you're. On Your own side, I freaking love that line. It's so good.I love the. I love like the monotonebackground, vocal on that chorus. Yes, I've always love that so much so it isso awesome because, like billy joe sounds so good and it sounds great withhim, but if you like, hone in on just that, it's like, Oh okay. Well, theyjust brought someone in the thing that- and maybe it's Mike or or maybe it'stray- I don't know but or maybe it's just billy Joe with a few drinks inthem or something yeah. Maybe so, but I love this song and and...

...this song did get played quite a bitand so the fact that I still love it, I think, is a testament to it being agreat song. Also it's kind of another one with a little bit of. I guess itkind of has like an Irish vibe to me. Definitely an Irish dive, Thou R Cshanty one of you said earlier a yet yeah. It's shanty, not chanty Shit onEr yeah. You know I'm I am do. Am I the only one, that's a littleweirded out by this being the first single. I know I mean, if you thinkabout all our record company makes perfect sense. That's what I was goingto say. It just said. It just seems like the record label decision to methat looks like he spent a lot of money in the video there was like czimbalom.I mean it just it felt like of all the songs on this record. It doesn't feellike the one that I would have used for the intro single for this album on theband put it at the end of the record, yeah yeah, and so I just I think, thelabel, if it if it was the label to pick this, is the first single which Iit's kind of one of those weird things. I would think that Green Day would haveenough cloud at that point that they at that point, yeah kind of pick. It I mean like you're,not you got to kind of work together or something, but it's not like it's DukeyDukey. They had no say in the first single. I promise you so it just feels weird. It feels like alike. I would have done. I would have done a different to introduce thisversion of this band. I would have done something a little more in between the old version of green day. In this Iwould have picked something like dead beat holiday or something yes like. Oh, this is kind of familiar,but it's different. You know you can tell there's some differences orsomething or even warning like I have in. I think it's either morning wouldhave been a great, a better first single, because I think it. I think itbetter captures like a like the feel of the record and be the like. Now. Maybethe acoustic thing was too much because they felt like they don't want to getpigeon hold into the Google dolls thing where they also an acoustic band,because two singles in a row are acoustic driven. So I'm sure that hadsomething to do with the reason warning wasn't the first single, but you knowpick one of the other ones. I don't know it feels weird. So here's oneweird thing, though this song came out way before the record comes out. Ohyeah way before this song comes out in August and before in the in October, isthe yeah. So I always felt like warning was really the first single, becausethat's the one yeah, but that's the other. Weird thing is that normallywith a record? Well, maybe not as much when your greenday, but I feel like even back then I felt like it was always you went torock radio first and did this is me like, as if I did, radiopromotion fact that I'd know blue. I could just know, but there was someonehe's right in the formula: that's how it is. They released the first likekind of rock single that played on your rock stations and kind of got the thereal, the hardcore fans like excited or whatever, and then those people andthen but the second single, was the one that you went like okay. This is alittle bit more pop. You know if someone was already popped, and so agreat example of that is like a bleed. American Para is the PERSI think,that's a rock radio song and then, and they don't do the middle until thesecond single and and and you manat up and yeah yeah and yellow cart a exampleto way away is the rock single and then they and then obviously like OceanAvenue, and then we get into only one. You know and stuff like that,and so there is a in. You know there are I'm sure I could think of otherones that are in the same vein, and they were even doing that with thosenew metal bands you mentioned earlier. Kyle I mean it was they were releasinga single to rock radio first and then the second single was trying to getmore plays on pop top forty and stuff like that totally, and so that's why itfeels like such a weird first single O me, because I think they would havepicked something that, like kind of got, the old school green day fans a littlemore excited, especially two months before the albumsreleased and then yeah warning feels like the better, the good second single.That leads up to a little more pop and a little bit more like this is what therecord is, and so that feels like a weird thing, and Idon't know it may have had no effect on the record sales. Keep in mind we'retalking about like this slump that still sold a million rackers platinumslump like it's a platinum slum gosh. That's just not that bad! Also.Recently, I did mean to tell you guys this: it's not just a platinum slump.It's a triple platinum slump, oh yeah! So three, but do you have when thosenumbers happened, did go triple yeah, so thousand Tsanda, twelve by twothousand and twelve, it had gone three and a half times million world wide,but it, but it wasn't gold. It was gold in the US, I think by then, butcertainly it's platinum in the US by...

...now and okay, so three and a half worldwide and yeah platinum in the US at this point. Thus, lots of records alots of records, but less than their other ones had done to that point, and-and it's actually their least successfulrecord period and to be fair, really successful, albums in two thousand werestill going diamond. They were still selling ten million rats right yeah itwell. How many records did hybrid theories sell this here? I'm wonderingOh y, that's a great that it was wasn't it the biggest selling record of theyear it had to be, I know gigantic, and it came out right after this record. Iknow that you love weeks after I know that in two thousand to twelve twenty five million twelve million,that's a lot of million. That's a lot of records for Green Day they're likewe showed half of one one million. Remember the s! That's heart breakpicture. I picture no disrespect, but I pitture billy joewatching the video shut up when I'm talking to you like this, but Iremember okay, because I remember too, I remember in two thousand and two I I met with Atlantic. At one point I wastalking to you and in their kind of lobby area that I was in, I mean therewere. There was a case with, I think, six diamond records in it from thatdecade. You know like that's: Just one label had like six diamond records inthis thing, and so there were a million in two thousand. A A million now wouldbe a smashing success and, and a million in two thousand wasdisappointing them for a band as big as green day, which is, I think, now welook back and be like. Oh, you have no idea how no idea what's the culture is dark ofno idea is coming. We could go back in time and warn people. Okay, let's go tolast track. Macy's Day parade go as giving something. Now I sat seton cause, I'm taking a whereto, I'm thinking t s an I'm. Makin Bati have to slide thisin there, because I didn't think about this until you said it a couple songsago. This is my nomination for sacred heart song, because it's also feel, butI think they both work yeah well. But that says a lot: You got two of them onone record: Yeah Kyle, let's go to you where yourthoughts on the last track, I mean dude. I think it's. I think itis the perfect ending to this record a great ending track. It is such a good song again. You know, like we've, seen how we seen how sharp his tongue can be andfor him to end on, like this kind of like sombre. Hopeful, even note I love. I love. I love the way hechanges the lyric subtly and and the way that it ends the and I'm thinking about a brand new hope.The only one I've never known, because I know it's all that I wanted like Ifreaking love it man. It's he's. He is a killer, songwriterthey're, a great band. This is a kick but record, and this is the perfectpunctuation to end it so well said. Chris thoughts on the last track ranmore billy, joking right, a ballot whether you know for better or worse,and this God we talk a lot of crap on last song. We do we do and do stuck thelanding yeah I'd got to say exactly exactly right. This is how you do itguys. Yes, other fans from your thousands go back in time and make thisa right now, right now I mean I yeah the we talk all the time about trackorder and how important we think it is in making a great album and I thinkthey nailed the first track and they nailed the last track and honestly theynailed everything in between two and it's hard to it's hard to do a lasttrack. Well, I think some people put too much pressure on it. Being sort ofsentimental is just the right amount of sentimental. It's the right amount oflike hopeful and it's the right still has the same vibe as the whole record.Sometimes people go kind of to off the rails for a last track. You know I, like I think paramore isone of those bands that, like actually doesn't normally have a good last trackon the record, even though I just I love their record so much, but I don'tthink they do that really. Well, that's not something they're awesome at theykind of have this weird, as I hit the Mike thing going on, and Ijust felt cash they just man how you ccouldn't, I just don'tthink they could have ended this better,...

...don't think they. I cannot think of away they could have done better with his it's obvious that the that thetrack order was important to them like. I really think it is. I think it'sobvious that they that they crafted this thing to be in the order that itis and that they put thought and time into it. I agree. Well, let's go tolasting impressions. The first question is going to be thedumbest question, I'm going to ask which I say on a lot of podcast, butdefinitely this one does it hold up fellows yeah yeah I put yea five tits relevantnow yeah, but yes, five times, I think it sounds great songwriting is great.Lyrics are still irrelevant, so, yes, think it holds up. I mean, like I think,holds up better than any of their albums in some ways and let's get so. Let'sget the next part and say: Is it their best, album, Christa goody? First Nope, he says no kyle. What do you say for me? Yes and here's what they here'sthe thing state I love. I love Dukey. I love American idiot. It is such anamazing record when I think of like myself as an oldman showing records to my grandkids like making them listen to it, I'm notmaking them listen to American idiot, I'm going to make them. Listen to this.So that's why it's beautiful! That's that's! Why! So again, I'm I'm in the weird position of not weirdposition. Just so like. I was not a huge Greena fan of the time and andI've always liked green day, but, like I I don't know what I just. I don't knowwhat my deal was. I really don't. I can't I don't have a good excuse fornot liking them at at the time and place that this album was out, and Ididn't even not like them. I can't even think of the right way to say it, but so after listening to this, I was kindof like you know what Im going to try to listen to as much of the green acatalog this week as I can. We had a pretty short lead up to picking thisand recording it. We normally have a little bit more time, but- and I listento a lot of it, including stuff from post American idiot that honestly, Idid not ever give a chance at all, and I think so clearly this album was thecatalyst for everything that came after it that I think I might have to agree with Kylebecause it well. Of course this is kind of blowingthe lines between the next question we're going to ask, but, like I can'tfind any fault with it. If that makes any sense, whereas, like I can findlittle things, I maybe don't, or I think, there's a song or two on Dukeythat I don't love. I mean there's a bunch that I really love, but there's asong or two that I could take her leave essentially, and I do feel like the twoalbums that came after that. I didn't, like my I mean in some in and theMemora felt so much like Dukey and because I got into them later. I didn'tlike them as much because I thought Dukey was like like very superior tothose next two that came after it and and those are fine albums too, but,like you know, this has a lot of the samefeeling as like. I even got into like that. UNADORED thing they releasedthree albums in two thousand and twelve, which is insane to me and and there's alot of the same vibe of this album on those and stuff, and so I just thinkthat I can't find any fault in this album. I like the production, like thesong. Writing like the lyrics. I like the I like the musical direction. Ilike the throw back to s and t stuff that hadn't gotten any kind of love forquite a while in pop music. I love that he's embracing pop sensibility, so Ijust I really, I think it might. I think I might agree kyle and and keepin mind that's coming from a not not the biggest green day fan in the worldlike I really and- and I think this album now in listening to it- a bunchfor the last couple weeks has made me go. I really need to give all thesealbums like a lot more chance, because I just realized like how I always knewhe was a good song writer and I was, I would have always said that they wereone of the better like performing bands as far as like theyare really tight. I think they are the best punk crock band. That's ever beenaround, I'm just less of a punk rock fan than Kyle and Chris are does thatmake does that make sense where I am so forme, so I feel like as an outside asa little bit of an outsider. It's not like. I never heard this album for it'slike I never heard green day before, but I'm really curious about likeplaying this. For my kids now like say, we've talked about that test of likehow do you and I'm curious to see like you know, when you take all the contextout of something and just playing like...

...here's an album, and you don't have toworry about what the critics set or with a fan set or anything like. Do youlike this? So I'm curious to see what happened. Iwas listening to this at work all day and they're all school now, so theydidn't get a hang out with me and listen to it. So we'll see what happens, but that'swhere I land on that. So what about? Is it their most important, album kyle,it's going to you first, so this is where it gets tough. It does because, because I think I think numbers wiseAmerican idiot is is what makes them gigantic right, like they're, just bethey're in the stratosphere from from American idiot, yes and so like, but you guys said it multiple times,and I agree, I don't think you write American idiot without making thisrecord, and so maybe, and and not only that, but like the the mixture of that or the twoingredients of that- and this feeling like. Maybe it wasn't a success like Idon't know man, I don't know that you get. It was like the perfect storm. Youknow like. I don't know that you get American idiot without this, and so I'm going to say it could go either waybetween this. An American idiot. I did want to tell you guys. I don't want tode Rail- is too far, but everyone should listen to there's an album that billy joe didwith Norah Jones. It's really amazing, I know, is weird lads. It's called orawesome, yeah he's fantastic, so it's called it's called for Everley and it'sthem doing. everly brothers covers- and it really show cases like Billy Joe's,not changing his voice, but there's not punk rock music behindit and it actually showed cases like holy crap. This dude can sing theysound so good together. You guys should listen to that record immediately. Ifyou haven't heard it so not dude, I'm for Everley, I'm going to see a sorryto derail us, but that's all right Chris, where are you at on on? Is ittheir most important lum? Now I just can't be because of American idiot,just can't that album was what made them superstars they'replaying stadiums, because this album bridged the gap to that that you getthere but yeah. I just it's. You can't be that chicken egg thing man yeah. Itis very much chicken egg, so I'm I'm in the same boat here. So here's here's acouple of my thoughts and I've said a couple ofthese already so first like the embracing of the pop sensibilities, theguitar tone change that we then see an in lyric styles and kind of concept,album kind of the starting points, especially when we talk about the song,misery and I feel like and then and then the lead back into that kind ofbecoming a whole storytelling album on American idiot. It's hard to say, because I feel likein one way the fact that this didn't go well. You know because we only sold amillion or three million records eventually or you know at the time itwasn't probably quite platinum when they were deemed a critical success, but not commercial success on this album comparatively to the stuff that hadcome before it, because all three of the albums before that were multi,platinum and but it's like without this albumAmerican idiot doesn't happen like I just. I think that if they would haveif they would have if they would have done an album like Nimrod or thosethree that came before it, I think that the sales are even less, maybe becauseit's not like people are into the shiny thing. Now they mentioned. We mentionedthe new metal thing. We mentioned the kind of like shiny, high production,pop punk kind of thing, the really pop side of pop punk bling way to goodCharlotte those kind of things, and I just wonder you know like where do you like? It is kind of chicken egg, like Idon't think American idiot happens without this album, so it's so hard tosay like, but obviously success wise, like American idiot you're right iswhat launches them into the stratosphere. I'm trying I'm looking upnumbers right now: They've sold eighty five million copiesworldwide combined all of their stuff, and Ithink twenty five in the US is that Gosh I mean, but American idiot does gofourteen million world wide and six million copies in the UnitedStates, so they go from selling, basically less than a million ofwarning, because I guarantee warning, I bet a bunch of those warning sales orpost American idiot, no yeah, I ton of them and yeah. I mean I think I think I give theedge to Chris on American idiot,...

...because you know it's huge it does. Itintroduces an entire new generation to the band and there's just something tobe said about that. When that happens to a band, I can't they're not thatmany bands that that gets to happen to like. I don't think we can overstatehow rare that is. I mean I can think of a handful of bands that, like that yougo to a show and you see like parents with their kids that are selling outarenas. That makes sense. You Know Yeah Chris, you said that you said the keyWord Stadium Stadium is right. It turned them into a way right. They wentfrom I remember or even just arena because I remember being like I wastalking about earlier. Do you guys? Also, if you look at the competearticle, it's even the title of this era is middle years and decline incommercial success I mean they were. They were on the down. Slow is all it'sall bs now, but yeah it American idiot that yeah, so it justhas to be, but it also really makes me appreciate that they stuck with it andlike they love me, then they ol play music when not just here, but not evenjust stuck with but like stuck with like that, hey we actually like, I cantell they were really proud of this album and they were like no, we didsomething right and we're going to improve upon it. Yep with Americanidiot, because, like we get the storytelling thing, we get the kind ofconcept album. We get the we get some of the guitar tone stuffthat we we had. We get the like not being chained to being a three piecething, which is: This is the first album they experient with. You got aeverything before that is like we're a three piece and we're not doinganything like everything on the record. They could do live essentially verylittle kind of over multiple guitars and stuff, and this is the first recordthey go. You know what we're going to have this guy come join us. Weeventually have officially joins the band and then leaves I think, like sixyears after that thousand and sixteen or something like that. So eventuallythey become a four piece because of this album and the guy that ends upplaying with them on the road and stuff. So you know in some ways you know,because by American idiot they're playing with there's four extra playerson stages, they got seven guys on stage to do all the stuff that's happening onAmerican idiot and by the way, if you can find like the the live concert kind of stuff from back in the Americanidiot days, like man like if you've not if you've never got to see, I've nevergot to see green, a live like in person, but just the the like DVD or whatever Imean. I think I saw it on like Palladia or MTV two or whatever it was back inthe day, but fuse, maybe something like that, but Gosh Isis, unbelievable andthey're, even like they're, even multi parting, the old songs on some of them,some they go to three peas and they just do them. But, like I just love it,I think that so it's really hard to pick between those two. This has beenthe hardest of the. Is it their most important, album question for me?Normally we kind of blow by some of these questions, but this one is, Ithink, the toughest question for me of the albums we've done thus far. Okay,so, let's get to awards Kyle Desert Island songs, two or three of yourfavorites. Can you even pick two or three? It feels so wrong for me to leave themout right, but I'm, I guess, because you're making me I'm making you I'mgoing to go with waiting, Jackass and and warning Chris. What are you three?I was to two or three on the birthday body warning waiting. The two songs ofstart with W and misery is number three for me as Eris a great song, an it's a great.I would have put cast way in there. If I could have four, though you knowWhitset, I now have since I said it at love. I think they can't do it get takeit back, set up Ed, an then a Gaba. I think I am not overlapping with you allat all. Really I'm going church on Sunday, castaway and dead beat holiday. It songs. I, but I think, that's a teit's a test of it Teste when we don't have the same three songs. That meansit's tough generally, and don't you dare say what you're about tosay? No, that's no place in this podcast. What was I going to say thatto body's nerfe nobody's perfect nobody's perfect, is I mean? Is therethere's nothing right? Does anyone have nobody's perfect on this? I don't I mean misery is the most likeout of left field song and you can it's amazing, but but it's such a lead up towhat comes afterwards, that I think that you can't, I couldn't say, nobody's perfect on it,because it's still it's an awesome execution of a of definitelystylistically something really weird but and out out out of left field forthem. But no, I agree. There's there is no nobody's perfect on this. I can'tthink of one what about growing out a shower? What's the song you maybedidn't like at first but now, love you know for me like when I firstlistened to album. I didn't really notice waiting. Isn't that weird, likeI just did didn't there was so much going on on this record, like I justhould notice, it like...

I feel about it that it is the simplestsong on the whole wreck. I think that's a that's a fair point, and so it's easyto overlook, but it's very hard to do simple. Well, so I can see why that would be one kyle.Do you have one? No, I don't think I do. I mean I thinkI think I was into it. I do think that I do think that as a Green Day fan, itwas a little jarring for it to be so different, but I think I I think Iremember kind of embracing it. I mean I love this record man. It is, I textedyou dudes a two weeks ago. This is this. Is My favorite Green Day record? It'sone of my favorite records of all time. I mean I told you tonight, I'm going toplay it for my grandkids. If I have them some day like it's, it's perfectfor me yeah. This is definitely what I'm getting on vital at this point.After I really DII got to it for this one, I'm like I need this one, so I'mI'm I'm going to say I don't really have a girl on a shore because I didn't,I don't feel like. I was steeped in this enough in two thousand to have onethat grew on me. If that makes sense, so I don't think I can say, I've got agrower on a shower for sure. So any last thoughts fellows before we'vewrapped this thing up. We obviously could talk about Green Day a lot. Ithought we might wrap this up in less than I. I thought this is going to besuper fast yeah. It's such a good record man yeah therethey're the kings of punk rock. Without a doubt, I mean eighty five millioncopies worldwide, they're literally right now playing baseball stadiums. Yeah tonight I know it's somewhere thatthere's just there are no other punk bands that are even close. To that I mean to be fair they're on tour withfall up boy right now, but they've they're, so far away from punk rock atthis point that Oh gee, I'm not going to qualify that as counting that's, nota dog on follow boy, I'm just saying: that's not what they are. There popistsfired their pop band. I mean that's, that's what they are at this point and the that's fine, but just taken myself for not gettingtake that show by the way, interruptors Weezer by Green Day, the wheezer setwas pretty fun. Man. Have you seen the the set up of their stage? They gotlike a like eight kick drums on stage, spelling out weezer looks pretty greatyea and also another band. I love that I'venot seen since two thousand and two, so I probably should have traveled forthis one, but what you know? Well, I guess that's it for us thanksfor listening again, if you like what you hear, please consider giving us afive star you on itunes. It helps us out. It helps people find the podcastand stuff. Tell your friends about the podcast subscribe to the podcast, sothey just show up on your phone, and you can send this your comments, yourdisagreement, your suggestions to infit, finding empton or on any of the socialmedias at finding Emad we'd love to hear your opinions and honestly, if youdidn't get this album a chance or maybe you're one of the younger people.Listening to this podcast that got in on the American idiot side, you shoulddefinitely go. Listen to this thing in headphones are highly suggestheadphones for this album, that's ver, that's IT for us! We will catch younext time. I.

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