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Finding Emo
Finding Emo

Episode 38 · 1 month ago

Ep038 - White Crosses by Against Me!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Against Me!'s 2010 album was a departure from previous album styles, but that didn't stop 2/3 of the guys hosting this podcast from loving it. The other 1/3 is Blake, and he just honestly had never listened to the band before. Fresh ears! 

Welcome find Emo, our podcast move,discuss our favorite albums from the early odds and thereabouts, I'm BlakeFisher, I'm joined by Chris Mona and Kyle Simmons, as always, because we arethe three people that host this podcast and we appreciate that you're herelistening. We love that the thank you for joining us and, of course you canalways subscribe to us. We enjoy that very much. It helps us and you can alsorate us. Those are two things that help us. We would appreciate it like. I saidfive stars, preferably because really anything else is kind of like mean yeah. Just don't be mean: Okay, well cry ourselves to sleep at night,Ye p and every time you give us a five star view. Tim Cook mails us a brandnew ipod classic forty Gig it might. We might give that to you. Yes, you know Iwas reminiscing about my ipod just today and I think what I realize I'mstill an Stali for is that I was proud that I had filled it with so much music and now with spotify and apple music.It just feels like you can just it's just there and I didn't really doanything for this other than paying fifteen bucks a month. You didn't earnit. I didn't earn it, whereas my eye pod, I was like no, I bottle these oryou know, was it with friends or whatever I mean I wasn't stealing itblake didn't you have like some cadence you are going towhere you were trying to list to every song in your library yeah. I have notI've, not gotten. I need to pick that back up. Yeah. Did you make it halfway?Even I oaly twenty five percent of the way, which is like a ten thousand SongLibrary. So that's not it's not easy to get through that. Ishould probably pick that back up. I just resigned up for apple musicbecause it gave me like a six month thing. I was like all right, I'm givingyou another shot. I have not tried it since it first started. It was terriblewhen it first was released, so I'm going to give another shot and see whathappens. I dig it. I do it's gotten better yeah. I've never been tryit.I've never been never been super into the spotify like, but all the, but I reallylike to discover playlet thing so den there's so much better, the just stillbetter. I just see let you know like that that hasn't changed, but that yeahwell good to know. That's our spotify verse Apple BattleIn this that you guys are both having musicright and yeah spot yes, but it's not it's not out of like any. No, no, I getwrong loyalty or anything. It's just. I think it just works. I tharand streamquality for me, Yeah Yeah. It just seems to work out all look into that.Okay, so anyway, that's our tangent on versus what you're listening to thisone to a LE podcast. That's where you rate us is at an apple podcast, not anapple music. Just in case you were curious today on the episode we are doing. TheI forgot to look up the year that this came out. Album named white crossesfrom against me, exclamation point, O thousand ten say two thousand and tentwenty ten record by gets being Chris Mine Ya's, going to take it away. Ithousand and ten facts. Yes, okay, so against me is an American punk rockband. Just so you know American for one thousand, nine hundred and ninety sevenNaples Florida by singer and guitarist, and here's where I'm going to say theAsterick so there's some, obviously the form formerly known as Tom Gable,now known as Lord Jane Gray. So we're mostly talking about the record. Youknow the music on this, so we won't delve too much into that, but you know we're going to do our bestto get the pronouns the way that we think is the most appropriate and wepromise it's not our goal at all to offend anyone. This is not a politicalpodcast or anything like that. We're just talking about the song so and welove this band and we love this band yeah, it's a great album, so it is hardwhen we're talking about something that happened in the past right right. Youknow to table when you recorded it. Ah, yes, exactly so it's a littlecomplicated, but we also. We just want everyone to know. We certainly don'tintend to offend if, if we say him or her and in the wrong spot, just youknow send us a tweet, whatever we're happy to engage in that converseor let it slide because we're so we're trying our best yeah t do that too. Yes,yes, doesn't all have to be such a big deal, so he so grace moved to GainesvilleFlorida, which is now considered the bands home town, Gainesville rock city,if you're a less than Jake Fan. Also Tom, petty we're tomps that werecompanies from T S, Oh man, okay, that's three S, ackande yeah, t o gameare yeah. Man Talk! That's like the that's sorry I be sin. I'm in companies,interview or biography. I should have known that I just feel like LessthanJake has never seemed sucker the sense...

I love less on Jake and I of thegreatest bands in the history mankind, Tom, petty in the art breakers less the jake yeah, it's a pretty close. You know.First and second, there were pretty close, lessening is a great band and we shoulddefinitely, but it would also laugh at being yeah same company with Tompanohartbeest sure. Well, the lead singer of listen jakes got a great podcast.I've never listened to. Apparently he even views a lot of folks and gain not games. Viro city. What's the hello raphy is one of the m.We got to do hell rock what a great record yeah back to against me. So we are, we are. We haven't talked in a whilewe're catching no, it's true. So against me, when they're starting torecord this record, they just come off the success of new wave, which wasnamed spins album of the year. It was a hit album in two thousand and seven. Itwas also their first album off of an indie label. So against me,OCCO also certain you catch a lot of flack at this time for being sell out.They even get a letter from Bruce Springsteen, encouraging them tokeep keep up. What they're doing Bruce springsteen son was a huge fan of theband and bric springs. Seven went to see them in a few shows, so they'regetting they're getting some support, but this is their second album on SIrecords a bigger label and it's got you know new wave had kind of a more polishedsound and this one, even more polished produced by butch vig of Nirvana, nevermind fame and the band garbage if you're familiar with them from the artof both of those gines ban. Yes, album was recorded in a studio calledEldorado in Burbank California. The guys played a lot of basketball whilethey were there and found out that they were absolutely horrible, horriblebasketball players, but it was fun for them to play while they were or makingthe record. I thought that was funny, because those o the guys in against me are like theirpunk rock. I mean Leather Jack, it's just you know Narlikar and picturingthose guys playing basketball. It was just kind of making me lie. We used todo some sweet two on to action me and you and Loper, and I whoever the fourthperson was read. Probably it was probably read. Yes, I don't see we werenot Dan. We were not very good either, but yeah I gotta gotta got to movearound what time I got these Tory ball on with any sport if everyone's equallycrappy its hilarious fun. If there one person's like really good and takinginto two series, O o o for every bud, that is very true. Oh yeah, that's absolutely true, and so critics were, you know, there'sjust some critics that really care to care. A lot about the record. I thoughtwas really great and some critics, it didn't think so. Much of it. Some critics were said it was a hugemainstream, rock album that still followed some punk rockroots, and you know kind of apologizing to old school fans, but also saying youknow and engage you with recorded, saying it's really good, and then you know there was anothercritic here that all reference I'm on a res their name, but they said tryingnew ideas is never a bad formula, but sometimes when you lean too far on thelimb, the bread snaps. I do not agree with this critic, but atthat is thos. You know there was, it was a was a little polarising for youknow, fans of this band, so yeah, that's that's a little bitabout the band a little bit about the record white process. It's not the first time we've forayedinto bands being called sell out or some bang on this podcast. So we allknow our feelings on that is that it's kind of silly that people try to keepbands in these little. I don't know hermetically sealedversions of themselves and never get to change. I guess once someone likes thatthing they're just like! Well, no now that's what you have to be all the time.Obviously we're we're, not fans of that. So shall we go into first impressionsfellows since we kind of know a little bit about the record. Now, let's go toOukil first first impressions of the record was it then wasn't after twothousand and ten tell us about it, yeah it was then, and I mean I'm going tokeep it short and sweet. I think I thought it kicked but think it kicks.But that's that's about it. It's a freaking rock and roll record, and I have it's one of those records that, like my lastingimpression, has changed a little bit like I. I think I appreciate more.What's going on on the record now, but just instantly dug it back then Iwas like I don't think I picked up on, maybe maybe like the Americana, that's in itthat I that I pick up on now. You know what I mean him even mentioning thatChris saying that Bruce bink spring steam dug them like that makes sense tome and at the time I I...

...wouldn't have given that a singlethought, so I thought it rocked and I loved it. So as it Chris. What aboutyou? You know I was a pretty big fan of new wave but, like I wouldn't have putthem in a cater like one of my favorite bands, but I think my friend well our friend Loper Andy Loper. Ibelieve it was him who told me like that. He was listening to recordbecause he was about to do a show with them. They were about, do show and he'slike to Uist. It's really good and yeah, I'm with Kyle. I thought it was kickedmajor, but I was really really into it just from that very first song with thesnare job coming in just yeah, big old Jangly, guitars yeah. Now I wastotally into it. So my this is odd. I've seen them live and I'd never listen, one of theirrecords, oh crazy. So when did you see him live? I haven't seen them live theyopened for Jimmy Worl on the food fighters. When I s no ear, my God, whata show and- and so you know, I'd- never I'd. Never, like I said, listen therecord so so. My first impression of the record is from this past week orwhatever. When you picked the record, so it's I'm, we did we're doing theopposite of what we did with Kyle. I guess last episode. Wait was that thelast episode that we did that I can't remember anyway. You know it's happeneda couple times on the podcast, where we do an album and someone hasn't listenedto it before, and so it's interesting to get their opinion. I don't know it'slike my. It's really weird this band, I am, I think the best word I can come upwith is that I feel a little indifferent. If that's not it's like, I don't notlike it, I don't love it. I definitely don't hate it. There's nothing! Idislike about it that I, since it's just not something I'm I'm like intointo, but if it's like but playing there, I don't it's not like, I thinkabout it much, but it's kind of it. Maybe it just kind of blends togetherfor me a little bit and obviously I've got no context to the you know what fans liked aboutagainst me before this album comes out or- and I- and this is one of thosetimes where I actually didn't- listen to a lot of the other stuff, because Iwas just trying to dive into this one, and so it's weird because this is theonly glimpse of it, and I remember the same thing about like seeing them liveis like I was not. I was like impressed by their musician shit, but I don'tremember any songs that that makes sense. You know. So if I see a band andlike a song stands out to me, like that's normally like well that I knowthat happens to me, it shows when there's bands I've never seen before orheard of, and they like play a song, and I go okay like that. Really thatcaught my attention, I don't remember anything catching my attention. Thefunniest thing about that night was that every single person in everysingle one of those bands were all black for some reason like it's likethey were all like in black T, shirts and black jeans, like everyone to the point where Dave girl like madea joke about it, because he was like wait, we all were all black like so didJimmy World. So the givs me music. We look like a bunch of rodes like no offense guys, but it was just it was kind of that wasone thing that stood out. That night is like everyone were all blackaccidentally apparently but yeah. So I mean that sounds weird.It's like normally, I have a stronger opinion, one way or not, but I justreally don't it's like I'm like I like it, it's fine, it's fine, I don't loveit and I don't, but there's nothing thatbugs me about it either, because some of the other podcast, where we'vetalked about an album that I either didn't love or didn't, listen to likethere were things that really bothered me about it. But there's likeproductions great on this, like songs, are pretty good, like definitely somecool musical stuff going on. But it's just you know, maybe not totally mything, which is fine, but so I'm going to put my first impression at it wouldbe fine like if you were playing this in the van back in the day, and youprobably did. I didn't ask you to turn it off. If thatmakes it, I didn't ask him to turn it up, though either did you right rightbut, like I remember, I remember specifically like a come to the front.This is fine. This is five yeah music. Is I e you like it, but I real hate stuffthat people play back then that, like I specifically did not like, like? Iremember you know that happening whereas, like Ido not like this, and that that I don't, I don't feelthat way about this, so that that's my first impression, maybe not a fair,fair one, but it's honest yeah. That's that's what we're doing on here. That'sa lot truth! Okay! So now like it is I'm also just trying to deflect so thatthe against me fans can just be mad at me. It's there. We guess me for makingthis record not like their other records. Okay, I'm just trying todeflect they'd, be against you. They can be against me yeah. Instead ofagainst against me, Okaywell, let's go into track by trackand discuss these fun fact on spotify.

I don't know if apple music, I splitthis up this way. I didn't realize that the last four tracks that are onspotify are just part of a deluxe edition black crosses and in to be fair.I thought the last four track of this. Album were strange. So I was glad when you sent me thetrack listening Chris, that I was like a the first ten or the album, and thenthese are like no dude. The same thing happen to mewhen I first started listening to it. I was like Dan. This el was long yeah. Iwas like Fantera good job. I don't remember this album being that long. It's not it's like thirty, threeminutes, because the songs, because yeah, because there's a les only tenyeah yeah so anyway, I feel like spotify. An apple need to do a betterjob of actually like what yes, they some way of being like, like maybe anastric or like a underline something that tells you like. This is not theoriginal track listing and there needs to be a setting where I cannot play thebonus tracks. Yeah there needs to be just a worldwide global setting on myon my spotify Er apple music. That is, I do not want to play the bonus tracks.Just don't do it. Unless I ask you to these are feature requests we're askingfor anyway. That's all beside the point, because here is the title track and thefirst track white crosses. I did just look it up by the way thiswas January of two thousand and eight that I saw them with Jimmy World Foodfighter. So a couple a couple years before thisomas trying to time line that, ah me remember me and the green eyed monsterwere looking it up too, very jealous that you got to go to. I was like whatwhat where where was I, where I didn't go to the show. I have no idea why yeah,my wife got me tickets for U weren't married, yet so girlfriend at the timeyeah what a Gal yeah that's a keeper. Definitely- and I did smartly Christmas- go to you firsttitle track the fun facts about the city of Stat, Augustine Florida, whichwe're talking about this Song San Marcos, avenue the canons or referenceto the Castigo d Sin Marcos and is the oldest city in the United States, foundit in continuous city. That's continued from from the moment of founding in oneHuan, fine hundred and sixty five. I just wanted to shout some facts out ofabout. I didn't know anyone was in his in Toanni hundred and sixty five. Ithought it was just swamp down there that point, except for the city ofSaint Augustine, where I was Jata without calls home. No, it so'suncapitalised have to go back and talk to them or maybe look up some of thehistorical records, but yeah ver. That is a fun fact, do know that. So you know I always dug the song comingwith the snare drum like it does in the big jangly guitars, and you know thelyrics against me, as always had interesting way that you know Lord JaneLake will go through the lyrics. I don't know how to put it. It's justit's like not even like a conversational style like a matter offact style like Oh, you were going for a jog and you saw some stuff. Thisyou're a walk like it's like the songs, just about like one day going for awalk, and it's still magical. I like a lot. I think that might be one of thereasons of my indifference is that we've talked about how different peopleseem to write lyrics. It does feel a little bit like he wrote all this stuffdown and then and then made it fit into a song yeah, and I don't know if that'sthe right or the wrong way to do it, I'm not saying it. It is right or wrongor something like that. But there are some lyrics where I'm just like Huh itjust it. I don't know and there's certainly some things like that. It'slike rattling off things from Florida in this right. I, like the lit things Isaw thing to Florida. Absolutely, but maybe that's unfair kin. What are yourfirst impressions or Guess Not First Impressions. What are your totalimpressions on a total impression of track? One are it's a great opener itkicks, but I love when he screams Saint Augustine, shine your light down on meand and and I love the Snare Blake. I thinkthat's a really good point to get to super early in the first track. There'sno question that they write songs. That way like in my mind, they're. Justwriting I, whether you want to call it...

...poetry or a story or whatever and thenfitting it into a song. I just I just kind of dig it and- and Iappreciate the way that they do it, but but that when you said that it's likeOh yeah, they totally write songs like that, and I could see that not beingyour bag and it can be. It's not like lyrics are just weird. For me. I'vementioned a bunch of times on this podcast. I don't pay that closeattention to them. Honestly, it's like normally, if you are just pretty goodat lyrics, I don't notice much about what's going on, except for maybe theclever line here or there, but it's not like I'm ever like it's. Never thething I'm diving into there's just there are a few things that inlistening to this, album like that just stood out and just felt like theydidn't fit right or something, and where is like, we talked about greenday warning couple episodes to go, and it's like it. Just feels like everysingle thing was like purposeful land and planned and put together, and itlike nothing was wasted kind of thing and maybe that's unfair, obviouslycharms trunk, a fantastic songwriter's been doing it for a really long time. This feels just a little bit morehalfar, but it's also that's kind of punk rock to yeah. I also think I alsowant to say that it. I still think it sounds really good, like the recording,butch big did a. He did a pretty good job, yeah butchfigures and I've talked we've talked about this before he's, not my favoriteproducer. It's weird, this is about the cleanest sounding album. I think I'veheard him do though. Yes, it is clean like it. This sounds way more producedthan most of the stuff that Bush fig does, and that was that actually kindof surprised me, because I started looking at the wikipedia stuff likeright as I listened to this album. So I was like Oh butch fig produced it and,like I said sometimes for me, that ends up being something that I don't lovelike. I don't know- and I can't not put my finger on it and I think he's it still intrigues me when he doessomething because I'm like he doesn't tend to work with like bad artist, ifthat may never its like there's just some stuff about hisproduction story, and this is his second album with them yeah. So maybe anyway, like I thinkit's, it sounds better than a lot of the stuff that witch fig does. Itsounds really tight and really clean and and the guitars have like moreclarity. I feel like then, some of the stuff that butch does coming from thatkind of Grungy s thing like I was. I was trying to remember the other albumthat we did, that was butch vig. It was afi yeah yeah, and what else did he do? Is that the only other one we've donethat he did? I can't remember I thought we'd done, maybe two, maybe I'mthinking of someone else, so I wal I did want to say. I also enjoy a goodnarrative and like this is kind of all over the place, but I'm like I sodesperately wish. I could talk to Laura Jane and be like: Why do you want tosmash all the crosses? I have a pretty good idea, but, like I now absolutely like, I know exactlywhat those sings are about. They're, not it's pretty on the nose they're,not vague and they're, not and they're, cohesive too. It's not it's! It's notfiller. Like some people, I feel like you're just going like well, here's themelody and I got to write some lyrics in there and they just whatever kind ofcomes out rhythmically they kind of put on paper and and they don't meananything and that's fine too I've. I do that sometimes, and no I can tell it's like this is stuffthat is real and it's not like made up for the sake of the song, but sometimes it just doesn't fit right. So,okay, let's go to a track to. I was a teenage, an Argistis Chris Mon yea thoughts on teenageanarchist track to okay. I love the song for so manyreasons I want to talk about just. I will try not to talk too much aboutthis so but first of all I can relate to it so much just because we growingup you know. Like I mean I was never like full on Punk Rock, like liberty,spikes anything like that, but just like going from that, you know and like learning about themusic business and then getting out of the music business and growing up- andyou know the revolution knows a lie when he screams that line I'm just likeyes, so I also thought it was cool readinginterviews with the band because they...

...were kind of going through. You no transition in this time. Frombeing that punk rug, bad, like they were getting bigger and they were likeyeah I mean we were all about being punk rock and cool, but like, like youknow, one day somebody was like hey, you guys need to pay your taxes and wewere like taxes like we didn't know how to pay. Taxes like were to get abusiness manager, and so when these kids were yelling, shout Syou know sellout of this. We're like hey guys, listen the rule worlds, a little morecomplicate it. So so I don't know, I absolutely did itman and when I was reading about the taxes and business majors like I justthought I was like that's that's too funny not to share anyway. So yeah digit background, vocals CREAMY HM M, which fit kyle thoughts. I love it and I love the way. They're Lord Jane's vocal stacked ourperfection, not everybody's vocal stacks, sound good to me. I love thethe way their voice sounds stacked and then also do you remember when you wereyoung and you wanted to set the world on fire. I am of the opinion that every youngboy, their first two loves, are one their mom and to fire and so real firenot metaphorical. I agal fire, and so this song always makes me laugh becauseI'm like I did remember when I was young and wanted to set the world onfire because fire was cool and also I'm not. I don't want to pull a Bevis inbut head, I'm, not I'm not telling anyone to set anything on fire. I'mjust being honest and saying, maybe I was a little bit of a Piro whenI was younger so yeah I dig it. I appreciate Iappreciate the like honesty of this song and that it's not. It is weirdbecause it is like the music business is a business it's in in, and that is a part of it and alsogetting older is a real thing and growing up and stuff, and you can't bea teenage anarchist for forever or you're just kind of one of those people.The FBI is keeping an eye. You know what I mean like so I like. I doappreciate that that it's not trying to be like we're forty and we're stillfreaking punk rock and, like I don't know you does that make sense like Iappreciate that they're like yeah, you know this is a you know. Growing up isreal and, like things change and stuff, I like that. I think it's a instead ofjust trying to be like pretend that they are these. I don't know anarchist, punk, rockersand then go back to their. You know, houses and taxes and whatever thethings are so yeah. I appreciate it for that reason. Let's go to because ofthe shame track three, because I a seven are going to youfirst track three because of the shame, thoughts. I'm still digging this record, I'mdigging it and also I talked about their voice stacking. Well, it's alsojust like such a growly awesome. freaking voice like I always wished. I had a voice like thisand I think it would take me a lot of cigarettes. Maro Red Cowboys, ripping the filtersoff baby smokin stating them maybe out of my bregy great ant, smoke unfilteredcamels. I mean they smelled so bad great. What a hot but yeah I did the song. I I surprised I really like this recordguys so yeah Chris Mona. What are your thoughts? This is the Spring Stein Songon this record. It does the Bo well and he he t talked about writing that for afriend, a really good friend was murdered and she loved PRI springsteen.So they wrote the song and tribute so that's why Herby so? Oh, yes, yeah,sorry that did miss or both lyrically and stylist, a murder yeah. I know Ijust like died tragically murdered, yeah yeah, but wow yeah, so that's it,but so the bring spring seems things not just like a it's a directionlessomas. Yes! Well I like that yeah, that's how I like it got the the bigChime, chime chimes. That makes me like it more. I don'treally, I know, is one of those things...

...e again. I was just kind of like not one of my favorite on the records.I definitely like the first two tracks leading into this one more, but that'sthat makes me feel bad for not liking it as much. But okay, let's go trackfor suffocation. Yeah I mean that sounds tight. Maybe Ididn't listen to any butch big stuff post, two thousand and eight I'd haveto go. I'M gonna have to go back and give butch some more. I feel like I mayhave slept on butch a little bit, because this sounds good man wi call.What are your thoughts on suffocation, man? This is this is one I really dig alot. The freaking chorus is such a head. Banger like I can just picture myselfwatching them at the show, and just bobbing my head to it, and also. Iappreciate that this one has a little bit of a different vibestylistically from the songs before it. But this one of my favorite songs onthe record. Spoiler sorry boiler alert Spoil Chris. What are you thoughts onsuffocation? Totally agree. It's it's a nice little break. It would be easywith this band style to like keep going through the same kind of style, songs,it kind of breaks up the style a little bit and yeah. Myother note was because that is one growlit well done.Yeah. I take this song despite me, not feeling especially sorry for someonedoing cocaine and then complaining about it being a Western cultureproblem, but but that's a little tongue in cheek. I think it's talking aboutthe the what you wealthy people. Well, Iris, Yeah Yeah, it's just kind of funny. It's like youknow what would help you crawl out of this suffocating western thing is notdoing cocaine for you. It's not generally going to turn into no one'sever like wait a day star Don coca in my life got better said no one. Ever no one's ever beenall my problems were solved when I started doing cocaine, it's a good thing to avoid kids, yeah kids, don't do cocaine yeah, wetolly with anything from this bad cast like a pear. If we don't always agreeon the songs, but we do a great drugs are bad in particular, kids, don't do cocaine.What did you have s? One time that told you or someone that told you nevertrust? I O Coca Yep, my boss, at a sauce. He said, never trust a cocain,and you know what I don't think ut going before the advice. I don't thinkI was like you know. I would want to hear him out, but I do rememberthinking like okay. Now, that's actually really good I'll. Just alwaysremember that this is age o five. Yes, I feel like I like to feel like. Wedon't have have a soap box here on this podcast, but you know, don't do cocaine, kids. I can get behind that yeah as like areally like just across the board. We can all agree. I think we all feel thatway. It's not a good idea, I'm sure we will hear from the pro cocaine, Grattanlobby we've pissed off a lot of we kin, howel friends with their White Mustad, not Oh, my gosh. Okay, let's go track track,five, which is we're breaking up. I kind of appreciate that he just comesout there and says we were breaking up, doesn't have to be subtle, just likethe title of the song is we're breaking up yeah but, like it cow? What are your thoughts on it? Ilike this song. I really like the words. This is the only voice. I know theseare the only words I have. This is the only way, I know to say we're breakingup, but I also have always been confused by this song because of theoutro with him saying I'm not giving up on us like, but you just broke up yeah.I don't quite understand that either,...

...but maybe maybe maybe they were just trying toend it. On a positive note, I don't know I really like this song, but thatalways kind of bothered me because it felt it feels a little weird rightafter that kind of bridgy chorus. You know what I mean like this. I don'tknow this is the only way I know how to tell you we're breaking up, but I'm notgiving up on us. I bet that I bet that made a Gal feel special. You know whatI mean I feel like see. I felt like that wouldbe the text message that you got like after, like the next day like wait,what not giving up a way I thought we broke up. What is this is confusing andshe's like showing her friends like what does this mean yeah like revolt inas I'm not giving up on it as yeah? I don't know, maybe yeah. Thatsounds like something you do in the moment, but not then right in a songyeah that point it's either over or not. I don't know- or maybe I don't know it's hard to thatgood. It's a good way to keep the claws in. You know like just in case I'm notgiving up on us to break up, but I'm gonna be round here. I just broke upwith you, but I'm not giving up on us we're still cool right, that yourFlorida accent right cow as what you, what are your thoughts on we'rebreaking up? Yeah dig this song. It is kind of a sadbreak up song. I actually wrote down the exact lyricsthat kyle reference there. I think they're great I have so I like I lovewhen they say we used to like all the same bands like the opening of thesecond stay. I'm like t me de Yeah Yeah. We all we've all been there for sure. What the I mean. We, I joke about my wife beingthat way. Now it's like we wait, didn't we didn't. We like the same bans andyou don't like any of the bands I like Katie was super excited. We were doingthis record, though okay, you guys, are doing against me. I was like. Oh youfinally care it's only. This is our thirty eighth episode, since you guys both mentioned yourwives. I D like to mention mine I'd like to. I would like to tell a quickstory. Chris you mentioned that line about liking, the same bands and likehow that hits you in the fields- and I agree- that's a great lyric, my wife and I spoke specifics on musicone time ever and it was in a conversation while you're dating, Isaid, Hey. What do you think the best love song ever written is, and she saidI said I loved you, but I lied by Michael Bolton and I said you know whatlet's just talk about other things like. That is a true story and thennever was spoken of again. No, we don't talk about that and by that you mean music on y, don'ttalk just this passion of mine. This thing that I love deeply. We don't talkabout it and and to be fair to my wife. She she's the person that, like sherides to work without the radio on and like you know, it's just not that'sfine, it's not a thing for her, but but because of that, it was just making it worse for us forher to like try. You know what I mean like. She doesn't think. That's thebest song ever written come on. No one does but, but she was trying in thatmoment- and I, like you, know what we don't need to do this. So that's my story. I quit story aboutmy wife. Why should I have to change my name he's the one who sucks they're, all so good man? That's pretty good oneconversation about music. Ever that's pretty great! I like that. You justsaid: okay, we're going to leave it there yep it's just for the best allright. Well, let's go to a track. Six high pressure low. We got the title in there had the veryincrese. What do you thoughts on high pressure, low, okay, I've never beenable to decide. If I, like the guitar tone on the Lea Guitar, the LittleBouncy Guitar Tone, it is I just I sometimes I like it, and sometimes Idon't I'm back and forth. I do love the song once again. The background vocalsare so deliciously spread over the song like butter. It just makes it sound. Sogreat I don't know I. I always thought...

...that that was the piece of every puzzle.I always thought on the best records that I love the boast for the back Ron.Vocals always sounded so great, so I think that's a fair, fair way to judge a record. Sometimesit's it's consistent. If you know they sound good, and I will like the song atleast for me- and you know one of the the third single on the album that damechecks, the secretary defense in the Vietnam era under Lena Johnson, RobertStrange macnamara props, to get on that one in the third single yeah macnamarasnot easy to rhyme. With anything. You know, honestly no and my favorite thingis Robert macnamara. He can't be talking about that Robert RobertStrange macnamara, Oh okay, definitely was definitely okay got it. How old are these guys they're olderthan there are age? I think us, okay, Ob yeah, I think B, born in the earlsor mid s. You think so, maybe just a touch older.I bet they're a little anger. I don't know we'll look that up duringthe next song of play for now Kyle. What are your thoughts on high pressurelow? I did. I dig this song and it's I kind of did how it's it always kind of has, especially withthe background vocals of the woes, like kind of a kind of a happy vibe to it,and there is nothing happy about what he's singing about and I think that'spretty cool and yeah love love the B gs. I actually do like the guitar tone,Chris Okay, but like Senhor, you know I don't. I don't feel like superpassionate about or anything I just. I think this is a really great soundingrecord and I haven't, I don't know like all the butch vig records off the topof my head, so I couldn't really. I couldn't really compare it to anythingelse. He's done, but I do know that over the last couple weeks I waslistening and thinking man. This thing sounds freaking good, so good song goodtune, bummer lyrics but yeah, but I do like that juxtaposition of OlyUmer Lyrics on what sounds like an upbeat happy song. Sometimes it works pretty well, I thinkit works well in this case yeah I like it. I think it's good good tin. I pressure low. Let's go toache with me, track seven s'ecrit pon yea thoughts on each withme. I, like this song, nice ballad, great guitar work. I don't know whatthat style. Guitar is called the fast picking that almost sounds like, and iso andlin, but yeah a la exactly right. Yes, yes, i was like i was like. I knewi knew i knew my guitar home. He would would know exactly what i e. That was.Thank you. It's like that italian instrument from italian stuff, it'sitalian from from italia from italy. Oh yes was, i o the most famous italiancuisine is from coronas. We all know that yep and knowing i then to kindthere and their most famous actor from captain whatever has a mandolin is anicholas cage, very famous italian italian cinema film. Yes, oh my gosh and tom gable was initially uncertain aboutthis ramantic tune, but vitch butchies him to put it on the record, and idon't i like that choice. I think it's a really great record. It's a reallygreat song. I think you know not. Every punk album needs tobalad, but i certainly think that my favorite punk albums all have a balladbut kind of lightens lightens the mood a little. So i like that, the style,the song it's yeah, that would i mean it's balletti, but not quite likeballot. I mean it's got more of a western kind of gallop to it. I garan i mean. I assumethis is a track that, against me, fans hated right. I mean this would be like,but what they seems likely. I d n, i didn't find anything like that, but youi'm just i assu. You know when i'm reading that, like oh, some fans werepissed, i mean it's like this seems like, but what's funny about it is thatit's definitely one that sticks out to me is like a cooler song like. I reallylike that that chorus that we barely got to atthe end of that clip, it's really cool sounding. I dig it iand i'm all for it so, but that's...

...probably a bad sign if they gin me that i'm like yeah, i'm allin on this kind of slower, sad ballad kind of thing cow. What are yourthoughts on it? I really like this song. I, like allthe things you guys talked about, one of my favorite things is, like ithink, of being young and dating and like for whatever reason. When thathappens, it's it becomes other people's business and you get other people'sopinions on who you should date and how you should date and, like i, you always heard or had someone youknew that, like you, they talk about settling for someone. You know like ohyou're settling and my favorite thing about this song is like it. It actuallykind of captures to me what love is like you, don't you're, not settlingfor someone that you love is just like. You pick someone and you get all thatthey are with that and like him, dissecting their disappointments, andyou know the things that they haven't accomplished and just and acceptingthem for who they are. I think, is really nice. I think it's a really cool, really cool song. I really dig thelyrics so yeah, i'm in i like it. I wish i wishit kind of did the ache with me thing more than once yeah it feels it feelslike it should happen again like i really i like that kind of course, buti just kind of ends all right. Let's go to spanish mosshere. We go no need for a fate on that one chris thoughts on spanish moss. This is one of myfavorite songs of all time. I love this song. It's like yeah. No, on my itunes,it's like, like number seven. I think of the most played songs. I've alwaysjust absolutely love the song. I love the vibe, i'm not exactly. You know sure what the song is about lyrically, but you know the it's got almost like ayoutube feel to it like not like not on the nose like a youtube omage song likethe bruce springsteen one was, but i don'tknow just it's got some very uplifting vibes and you know kind of feel like itlike, like they're, taking us to church a little bit here. I love the song. Ican't say enough good things about it, carl. What are your thoughts? So i also love this song, but i willsay in listening to it over the last couple weeks. I realized that, likeit's, it sounds so perfect, like everything is just so perfect about it,it almost sounds. It is extremely commercial. You know what i mean likeit sounds like it would it's the background music on a on a on like aford truck commercial or something like that and that's sounds like i'm rippingon it. I'm not because i love the song, but i guess i just never noticed ituntil this week. It just sounds so perfect almost to the point of shounding manufactured, but i do love the song man see. I wouldn't i mean i didn'tcatch that vibe from this. I do like it as far as it's definitely one of thetracks that stood out to me on the record, but losers pause and listenagain, listen to that ere, but it would be a finding em first, a track. We play that back. Lay thebackbone, go! Listen to it at some point and listen to this again and golike i didn't. I didn't. I don't feel like this one's any more so than theother tracks. On the record. I guess i might go that way. It's definitely alittle more epice. You know yeah than the other ones. It feels a little moreanthomy in some ways. So maybe maybe that's what the vibes yore picking on ilike it, though it stood out to me, it may be on a commercial that may be whywhy this is how i mean i've heard blinkey to on a car commercial. So it'sthat's coming around that the bands that we thought were not old are now old for sure, so, okay, so that spanishmoss, let's go to rapid decompression track. Nine...

...that drum pill at the end is prettyboss. Chris, let's go to you first, since youwere air drumming on rapid decompression, one of the so the gemmenfrom hot water music played with them, which just completely closes, i thinkafi how our music were friends if i get their album done by butch, vig hot war,music drummer steps in to play, because i bet anyway, i bet there's aconnection or anyway that one of the reviews was like they didn't even showoff the drummer i completely beged o differ. I think that some of the drumson this album are amazing. I love this. This is old school gable. Also, thewhile punk song love the callin answer. The song's got some major like clash,joe strummer vibes and you know classes one of my favorite bands so always beenreally into this one. I like it, they kind of bring it bring, bring somenoise at the end of the record, some and for old school against me fans.This would be more more akin to the style that they hadbefore more of the reinventing axel rose kindof style. So as the guy that like didn't, listen to the rest of it, thiswould be the closest thing to previous against me. That's on thisrecord. Would you say i think, that's a fair thing to say: kyle, it's close yeah, yeah cow. What are your thoughts on the songother than not knowing if it sounds like old yeah, i won ectini think it rocks. Ithink i love that it's punk rock in that clip that you played i was likeyeah. I love that. I know all the words that is far yeah the, but but also even though i'm making a joke out ofthat, i feel like a song. Really a song really does rock. If, if that's allhe's singing you'rn, i'm still digging it, you know what i mean like. Whatmore does he need to say if if it works? So i really like this one and for all thereasons that chris said it's a pukro song. So i like it- and this is how iknow- i'm not a true porkers- that i do not like this, so i don't like songs like this. I justdon't i don't like. I don't know it's just not my thing. It'si'm i'm sorry! I was never cool enough, i'm not true puck rocker, i'm sorry,i'm a pot punker and they're different there. They are different there. I'mnot cool enough! Sorry yeah! It's just not my i'm a flavor. Soit's good to know that i would. If this is not my flavor, i probably should notgo to the back catalogue of against me. I might not be thoroughly impressed. Idon't know man. I think you should at least check out new wave yeah. I can dowhatever the heck i want, because i've got all the music and my finger to isnot like. I have to go by the hour in the world as as to the word winningapple music library. Not gonna hurt, which is not a sponsor of the show byany means, but no check it out. No, we don't even gosh. We should try to getapple music accounts for free that'd be great. I dandled i'm sure that in a seaof millions of users, tim cook does not care about us talking about album musicon our dumb podcast, who knows maybe he'd just like out ofthe kindness of his heart. Okay, what if tim cook is a huge punkrock fan? What if you love two thousand emo? What if he was just like a hugeemail fan, he's like this, this show is my jam. He's, like you know, we'reproducing ted lasso, i'm a trillion air, but for me, just doesn't get any betterthan from under a court tree and that's just really peak. I'm just kicking likepulling that up on stage as the example track and be like it that such a greattrip with a south carolina draw. Did you hear that lossless audio yeahmake that would make my year if i saw tim cook like rock and fall out boy ordash work confessional at an apple key note that w s o can only pray? Oh, that would be sogood. Okay, let's quit a fit. You know our generation is going to start beingthe ceos of companies and then the otion years. So that's the kind ofthing is going to happen. It's going to be weird happen. Yeah, like i said well,i think i i'll probably be ye. Ll it'll probably be hoobat the reason. Instead,i don't think so. I don't think anyone actually likes that song because, likei haven't heard that song and in motif streams beg to differ. How this is isthis? I really strained. Oh surely it's in the millions. I think the onlypeople that really love that song were casual listeners of music that neverreally bought an album. Honestly, i'm going to be honest.Honestly, i'm going to be honest, guys, okay, wait! You should be honest though.Okay, i to tell the truth. I...

...think that that song fit a a need. Thisis sound, so messed up, but it's a few. It's a funeral song. You know what imean like songs like that that, like people canplay at a funeral and it's like rock and roll, but it's still nice soundinglike it's a it's. A funeral slike have to chat. I'd have to check out all thelyrics of that to make sure that that works for a funeral, but it it probablydoesn't i'm just saying like it's that kind of it's that brand of soft rock.You know what i mean. I mean ye that i'll take that i mean look. I've alwayssaid if you as a songwriter, your goal should be to write a graduation stylesong, a daddy daughter, dance song for the wedding i mean that's like justguaranteed to roll in the royalties and i think a good sad, someone dying song.You know what i would be. You know what like and that's why it was huge,because you could make a slide show to any of those three things to whobustings the reason you could, if so, daddy daughter, dance, yeah, i'm gonnahave to go. This can't believe, i'm going to look up that hovan song ifound i found a reason to be an. I was going to quote the lyricslike like. I knew them. No, i don't no way you know them. The reason is youthat's the only way, or i know- and i also know that he couldn't hit thatnote, so he just held the mike out for the yeah for the crowd to sing insteadand blake will never forgive him for yeah. We were like come on man. You gotto don't don't put the note in the song. I can't sing it live. I don't want toget too much on a huba, stink thing bout. What's a lot, what's a lot oflistens on spotify, because i've got the number in front of me. Surelymillions of well i mean what the last big one we talked about was good riddance had three hundred andsixty million plays five hundred and thirty million okay, so that is holycrater. They are still printing money off this god awful song how the world?Oh it's because of cal you're goin to yours, like i know why. I just told youguys what i told you s. Why do you do? We need to rewind the tape? I have not been to a funeral or awedding or a graduation that i a song you have okay, i've been to i've, beento multiple funerals, think about it think about like if someone's spousedied and they showed all these pictures in this spouse guy. I was just laughingas dot spouse die because someone suggested who was tink, we played at aat a funeral. I would fight tooth and nail to not have that happen guysunless it was risked down by the deceased person like i e this honor andmake sure that doesn't happen at my funeral yeah. I will definitely i feellike it. The opposite needs t happen. That's like the the the last i justneed to make sure hey no accept michael boltons. I said i loved you, but i liedwhat we over that will be the music people come in to the funeral to andyeah it as your cast gets lowered down. The reason will be blaring but like on bagpipes, a bell choir the reason o that would bethe best final par. I know i know this, this rendition of amazing grace. It'snot it's not, as we paid this guy six thousand dollars to learn this songjust to mess with kyle who's. Now that god bless him and if he's not, he probably in guysbelieve it or not. We still have one track to talk on this against me. Albumhas not the reason. It's not the reason. It's not a hoop as tank out. We havenow gone way. I mean that's as much of a twothousand but rock, although that's but rock, they were something else, butit's us at as no but load of streams, though that a lot, that's what yousaying. Admittedly, okay, let's go the finaltrack of white crosses, which is bamboo bones. Cal simons thought on the last track. So i love that song. I love the song. I lovethe got. What the guitars doing. I really love the chorus, even though wedidn't get it their great clip, but the the what god doesn't give to you you'vegot to go and get for yourself. I i really like that. I dig the vibe of this song. It's itdefinitely is. It definitely stands out as being different than the rest of therecord and i think t it is a much...

...better song than who bestens the read fact. That is a fact scientific fact. Ithink it's the best melody on the record m across the board course versuslike it. This has better melodies than the rest of it. The rest of themelodies to me feel like they're, not enough, not as mucheffort into the melodies as there were on everything else, and for me i justlove melodies, that's thy number one thing, and so that's probably the thingthat's generally going to hinder me from liking. A band like against me isthat, like the melodies kind of blur together, there's not a lot ofdistinction, but the melodies on this one are great. Admittedly, like they're,really really good. I really like really really like them. I dig the vibeto kyle, i'm into the dank kind of almost move along well ori was going to say, george michael faith, kind of child tothat kind of jangly driving thing. I did it and i bet once again thatagainst me fans at the time we're not into it just a just a guess, because itis, i can see how you would be like. That's not punk rock, but i dig it. Ithink it's cool. You can dance to it, yeah, chris. What your thoughts agreewith what, with what you guys said agree is what both of you said yeah. So i picked the clip for thiscile. It was hard because i really do like the course as well, but there'ssomething really special about this verse. It's just home. It's got thegreat drums out and i love how the drum transition from the move, along, as you said, to like bringing it overto the snare and the the pushback push back push back with every word andevery breath. I think it's a great lyric so good tune. I think it could be.You know i'm going to go out here. I can't believe no one else ever did oneof these things. I feel like it's the sacred heart song to of the record it feels like it could beat the end, credits of a scrubs episode is that yeah i agree and has thatbouncing us to it? It's like kind of hope. You know that kind of hopefulbibe. It feels like the in credits. Kind of thing. I did it. I think it'scool thing, it's the last track, so it's kind of an overlap there. I agree.I think we did a good job with the opening and closing of this record. They did a solid, solid job there. Okay,so let's talk about lasting impressions. You guys are obviously way biggeragainst me fans. So does it hold up just the record wise?You know on its own. You know, i think it does. I don't. Idon't think it's as big a piece of their. What am i trying to say reptile yeah. Idon't think when people think about this band, they don't, i don't thinkthey. They don't think it out. This record, i think it kind of is like themiddle of some well, some pretty big moments andyeah bad too. So it kind of gets it kind of gets hidden by that, but i think it holds up. I mean theproduction is just freaking awesome it just s great sounded so good in my car,when i was jamming it. You know the last few days and i just like really impress like how youjust like turn it up and just sonically everything sounded really really good.I can confirm it sounds good in a gee put the top off yeah ste good jeep, topoff good jeep good, a cheap, album, yeah car. What do you think as far asit holding up yeah? I agree it. It holds up. It sounds great and i think chris is right. Maybe thisis on a a little bit more for our next question, but i m. I do think that this falls in a weird place in theirbands biography. You know what i mean and and discography there's a there's,a distinct before and after that doesn't exist for most other bands, andso i don't. I don't know how this record didif it was a success or not, but i think it holds up for sure. I think itsounds great and i consensus i cranked this in the car andit sounded awesome, and it is one that you can. You can just crank it all theway up and it still sounds good. Nothing gets nasty, so yeah. So, asmentioned before, maybe i was sleeping on butch vig. Maybe he got a lot betterthan two thousand and ten this year. Maybe it was okay. Whatabout? Is it their best? Album again? It's the only one i've listened to. Soi really don't have any context here. So fellows who's got an opinion on that m. I don't think it's their best. No, it's very special to me for just thetime it came out, and i don't know i was just it just makesme feel like i don't know like it was. Maybe mylate is something about that. Like feeling kind of that combination offreedom and getting older, it resonated...

...with me- and i did look it up. You knowlord jane is about our age, born in thousand nine hundred and eighty. So acouple so we're kind of going through maybe the same themes. Maybe that's whyit resonated more with me the lyrically. You know i don't know my thoughts. Kyle is it you know, i think that'sreal made. No, i don't think it's. I don't think it's their best. I think,if you made me choose i'd have a hard time. Choosing between transgender is for you blues and newwave like that is those two are up there for me and new wave as special.Just because i mean it was a break out. It was a breakout record for them, soyeah no not their best, but so the really good i'm going to guess youprobably both, don't think it's then their most important album either o godit can't be. It cannot be, it's not allowed. Okay. So, let's go to awards,desert island songs, two or three of your favorites chris monies going first, two or three of my favorites. It is noquestion. I was a teenager, an anarchist because of the shame and spanish moss, which now is always i'mgoing to see a four truck burt through a boulder right here. I forward it'sgot, will or get. No. I'm sorry does g mc brian cranston that does ford. Thesepeople are good enough voices that they get paid to just talk like us like yeah. I guess wait. Wedon't get paid, so you guys didn't get that memo kal. What are your thoughts?What's your desert island songs, it's going to be. I was a teenageanarchist ache with me and bamboo bones, o niceyeah, i mean the three that really stood out to me are acity spanish, mossand bamboo bones, which is interesting to me because those are all like. Basically, the last three tracks. Imean real. You know not quite because rapid decompression wasn't in that listof things for me, but you know i can't think of another albumthat, like the stand out tracks to me, are all at the back half of it and noneof them at the front half but and yeah. I just like, i think, they'reunique on this album and- and i like those three, so i think those would bemy my three how about nobody's perfect?What's the worst song of the record kyle, do you have one man, i'm not? I'm not skipping anythingon this record. I enjoy it all the way through, and this is one of those bandswith a with a vast catalog to where you know asking if it's their best, no,it's not their best but like they consist for me. They consistently putout good stuff and- and i'm not i'm not taking anything offthis one. What about you chris feel same way? I feel the same way andthere's ally ten songs. I like this band, does this a lot? They keep itshort and sweet like you're, only getting paid for ten, you might as well.That's right everything else. The labels just got nowe're only paying your for tom. I you know, i mean i don't really likerabid decompression. I don't know if i'd kick it off or not it just it's theone that i kind of go man the most and, like i said this, could girl andme too, i've only been listening. This album for like a week and a half now orsomething so that's generally, not enough to reallyjudge it totally fairly. So all of my opinions here are relatively new andfresh, and i was he reserved the right to change those later at some point.Album hey, keep, keep listening. Let's do it. Let's do a special update likeunsolved mysteries used to do sometimes nice. We should do that. Let's do thatwith all the albums that we need to like keep track of the first. A to anyof us had like t was the first time we were listening and let's keep spittingthem every once in a while and see if we feel differently in a few months ora year, or something like that. That might be a good experiment, becausethere are some albums that we will do on this show that were like that for mefor sure, like that, i did not like the first few times i listened to likenot just was indifferent to, like did not like and then became some of myfavorites, so it does happen and i'm never upset. If that does happen, justone more thing that i like. Why is that a bad thing? What aboutgrowing out a shower song? You didn't like it first, but now i love kyle. Doyou have one nope? Okay, chris, do you have a girlon a shower? I think what is it because the shame, but not that it was any there was anything wrong with it,but it just it didn't hit me the same way until i don't know it's the samething with: what's have been from the killers withthe band from from las vegas big band, which one yeah yeah? What's the what's, why can't,i think, of the killer's most favorite song right now, i, when you were youngor yes y? Ah, yes, i remember being i'm...

...a huge, bruce springsteen van. Iremember when somebody pointed out that that song had bruce brings and vibes,and i liked it more it's the same way of for me with because of the shame.What's it kind of like really was like what is it about the song i really dig,and once i picked up on that, i liked it even more. Do you want to funnyabout bruce spring spring sting for me, i am. I enjoy bruce springsteen fine,but i'm not a huge bruce spring steam fan, but i love the stuff that he'sinfluenced if that makes sense, like i out yeah a lot of the people that ireally like that, i know like really really like bruce bringst n, it's likeit's like. I needed that one spot removed from it. If that makes sense,that's cool! This is not me. Dog on bruce springs tin. I think he's greatit's just, but i very much into the people that are really into him andthen writing. He, like you, know like he's on that new bleachers record, andit's like this perfect kind of vibe, and he did a single thing with thekillers to you mentioning the killers they did. Dustly fairy tale together,like a re recording of it and stuff, and their new album is like such aspringsteen album like totally all the way the killers is.So you know that's an interesting bruce note. I feel like a lot of a lot of goodstuff that he influence comes out anything else about the album before wewrap up. This is one of our shorter episodes. Guys were like blowingthrough this. I feel like i forgot to do something short short album. It is asalem, that's tube, yeah, that's a to be fair! Okay! Well, i guess that's it.Thanks for listening and again, if you like what you here, please considergiving us a glowing review on itunes, five stars. We would really appreciatethat and of course you can subscribe so that episodes conveniently show up onyour mobile device on any of those podcast platform flat forms that youlisten to. You can always sinis your comments,disagreements or suggestions to info at finding amopocan or on any of thesocial media networks. We are can be found at finding emoi pod we'd love to hear your opinions aboutthis and or the other records we do. We enjoy those discussions, they're prettygreat we've not been. We've had no knockdown drag out fight chat withanyone on the internet about these, and that's it's fun to discuss them. We'reoften wrong, though we find about our little facts and figures. Sometimes,but that's okay, it's wikipedia and you you do so that's it for us. We willcatch you next time. I.

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