Finding Emo
Finding Emo

Episode 38 · 7 months ago

Ep038 - White Crosses by Against Me!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Against Me!'s 2010 album was a departure from previous album styles, but that didn't stop 2/3 of the guys hosting this podcast from loving it. The other 1/3 is Blake, and he just honestly had never listened to the band before. Fresh ears! 

Welcome Finding Emo, our podcast when we discuss our favorite albums from the early odds and thereabouts. I'm Blake Fisher. I'm joined by Chris Mounier and Kyle Simmons, as always, because we are the three peple that host this podcast, and we appreciate that you're here listening. We love that. The thank you for joining us and, of course, you can always subscribe to us. We enjoy that very much. It helps us, and you can also rate us. Those are two things that help us. We would appreciate it, like said, five stars, preferably because really anything else is kind of like mean. Yeah, just don't be mean. Okay, we'll cry ourselves to sleep at night. Yep, and every time you give us a five star view, Tim Cook mails us a brand new ipod classic forty Gig and might we might give that to you. Yes, you know, I was reminiscing about my ipod just today and I think what I realize I'm still nostalgic for is that I was proud that I had filled it with so much music. HMM. And now with spotify and apple music, it just feels like you can just it's just there, and I didn't really do anything for this other than pay fifteen bucks. I mouth. You didn't earn it. I didn't earn it, whereas my Ipod, I was like no, I bought all these or, you know, was it with friends or whatever? I mean, I wasn't just dealing it. Blake, didn't you have like some cadence you are going through where you were trying to list to every song in your library? Yeah, I'm not. I've not gotten. I need to pick that back up. where. Yeah, did you make it halfway? Even I'm probably twenty five percent of the way through, which is like a Tenzero Song Library. So that's not it's not easy to get through that. I should probably pick that back up. I just resigned up for apple music because it gave me like a sixmonth thing. I was like, all right, I'm giving you another shot. I have not tried it since it first started. It was terrible when it first was released, so I'm going to give another shot and see what happens. I date it. I did. It's gotten better. Yeah, I've never been to try it. I've never been, never been super into the spotify like, but although, but I really like to discover playlist. Yeah, that's the thing. So dead all there. There's so much better, just still better. I just still let you know like that. That hasn't changed. But russue, yeah, well, get to know. That's our spotify vers apple battle in this that you guys are both apple music, right and yeah, spot yes, but it's not. It's not out of like any no, no, I wrong, loyalty or anything. It's just I think it just works rice with point my cadream and stream quality for me. Yeah, yeah, just seems to work out all. Look into that. Okay. So, anyway, that's our tangent on versus, which you're listening to this one apple podcast. That's where you rate us. Is that an apple podcast? Not on Apple Music? Just in case you were curious, today on the episode we are doing the I forgot to look up the year that this came out. Album named white crosses from against me, exclamation point twenty ten, to say two thousand and ten, two thousand and ten record by against me and Chris. When you is going to take it away with thousand and ten facts. Yes, okay, so against me is an American punk rock band. Just so you know, American formed one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven Naples Florida by singer and guitarist, and here's where I'm going to say the astric. So there's some obviously they form formally known as Tom Gable, now known as Laura Jane Gray. So we're mostly talking about the record, you know, the music on this. So we won't delve too much into that. But you know, we're going to do our best to get the pronouns the way that we think is the most appropriate and we promise it's not our goal at all to offend anyone. This is not a political podcast or anything like that. We're just talking about the song. So and we love this band and we love this band. Yeah, it's a great album. So at least hard when we're talking about something that happened in the past, right, you know, Tom Gable, when you recorded it. It's yes, exactly. So it's a little complicated, but we also we just want everyone to know we certainly don't intend to offend if if we say him or her and in the wrong spot, just, you know, send us a tweet, whatever. We're happy to engage in that conversation. Let it slide, because we're saying we're trying our best. Yeah, do that too. Yes, yes, doesn't all have to be such a big deal. So he so grace moved to Gainesville, Florida, which is now considered the band's hometown. Gainesville rock city. If you're a Lestan Jake Fan, also a Tom Tom Petty we're Tom Petty was there were Tom Petty from tooths. Oh, man, okay, that's three good good rock and roll. Yeah, yes, a gamesprely. Yeah, man, talk, that's like the that's sorry, I've been signed. I'm sorry. Tom Petti's interview our biography. I should have known that. I just feel like less than Jake has never seemed suck here than sentence.

I love less than Jake and like of the greatest bands in the history mankind, Tom Petty and the heartbreakers. Less than Jake. Yeah, it's a pretty close you know, first and second there you're pretty close. Lessen Jake is a great band and we should definitely, but they would also laugh at being. Oh Yeah, same company with Tom Petty and the heartbreakers, I'm sure. Well, the lead singer of listen Jake's got a great podcast I've never listened to. Apparently he even reads a lot of folks and gain not Gainesville rock city. What's the hell of rock is one of the HMM we got to do? Hello Rock, what a great record. Yeah, at back to against me. So we are, we are, we have talked in a while. We're catching II though, it's true. So against me when they're starting record. This record did just come off the success of new wave, which was named spins album of the year. It was a hit album in two thousand and seven. It was also their first album off of an indie label. So against me is Aucho also certainly catch a lot of flat at this time for being sell outs. They even get a letter from Bruce Springstein encouraging them to keep, keep up what they're doing. Bruce Springstein, Soun was a huge fan of the band and Bruce Springsteven went to see them in a few shows. So they're getting there, getting some support. But this is their second album on sire records, a bigger label, and it's got you know, new wave had kind of a more polished sound and this one even more polished, produced by Butch vig of Nirvana, never mind fame and the band garbage, if you're familiar with them from the night heard of both of those nineties banks. Yes, album was recorded in a studio called Eldorado in Burbank California. The guys played a lot of basketball. Why they were there and found out that they were absolutely horrible, horrible basketball players, but it was fun for them to play while they were are making the record. I thought that was funny because those, you know, the guys in that gets me are like their punk rock, I mean leather jackets, just, you know, gnarly looking, and picturing those guys playing basketball, it was just kind of making me long. Used to do some sweet to onto action. Me and you and Loper and whoever the fourth person was Rad probably it was probably right. Yeah, I don't see. We were not very we were not very good either, but yeah, we got to gotta kind of move around. Well, times again, the story ball on. With any sport, if everyone's equally crappy, it's it's Hilarious of fun. If the one person's like really good and taking too, too serious, no funds it for everybody. That is very true. Yeah, that's absolutely true. And so critics were. You know, there's just some critics that really care to care a lot about the record, I thought was really great, and some critics that didn't think so much. Of It. Some critics were said it was a huge mainstream rock album that still followed some punk rock roots and, you know, kind of apologizing to old school fans but also saying you know, and engage you with the record and saying it's really good. And then, you know, there was a another critic here that I'll reference among the refers their name, but they said trying new ideas is never a bad formula, but sometimes when you lean too far on a limb, the branch snaps. I do not agree with this critic, but that that is does you know there was? It was a was a little polarizing for, you know, fans of this band. So yeah, that's that's a little bit about the band, a little bit about the record white crosses. It's not the first time we've forayed into bands being called sell outs or something on this podcast, so we all know. Our feelings on that is that it's kind of silly that people try to keep bands in these little, I don't know, hermetically sealed versions of themselves and never get to change. I guess once someone likes that thing they're just like, well, no, now that's what you have to be all the time. Obviously we're we're not fans of that. So shall we go into first impressions, fellows, since we kind of know a little bit about the record. Now let's go to you, Kyle. First First Impressions of the record. Was it then? Wasn't after two thousand and ten? Tell us about it. Yeah, it was then, and I mean I'm going to keep it short and sweet. I think I thought it kicked, but think it kicks, but that's that's about it. It's a freaking rock and roll record and I have it's one of those records that, like, my lasting impression has changed a little bit, like I think I appreciate more what's going on on the record now, but just instantly dug it. Back then I was like, I don't think I picked up on maybe maybe like the Americana that's in it that I that I pick up on now, you know what I mean? And him even mentioning that, Chris, saying that Bruce, bink springsteen dug them like that makes sense to me and at the time I I wouldn't have given that a single thought.

So I thought it rocked and I loved it. So that's it. Chris. What about you? You know, I was a pretty big fan of new wave but like, I wouldn't have put them in a category of like one of my favorite bands. But I think my friend, well, our friend Loper, Andy Loper, I believe it was him, who told me like that he was listening to record because he was about to do a show with them. They were about to do a show and he's a chiche realist do it's really good. And Yeah, I'm with Kyle. I thought it was kicked major, but I was really, really into it just from that very first song with the snare joke coming in. Just, yeah, big old jangly guitars. Yeah, now I was totally into it. So, my this is odd. I've seen them live and I never listened one of their records. Oh crazy. So when did you see him live? I haven't seen them live. They opened for Jimmy e world, the food fighters. When I saw now are going to airlines. My God, what a show. And so you know, I'd never, I'd never like said listen to the record. So so my first impression of the record is from this past week or whatever, when you pick the records. So it's I'm we did we're doing the opposite of what we did with Kyle, I guess last episode. Wait, was that the last episode that we did that? I can't remember. Anyway, you know, it's happened a couple times on the podcast where we do an album and someone hasn't listened to it before, and so it's interesting to get their opinion. I don't know, it's like my it's really weird this band I am I think the best word I can come up with is that I feel a little indifferent. If that's not it's like I don't not like it, I don't love it, I don't definitely don't hate there's nothing I dislike about it. That makes sense. It's just not something I'm I'm like into into. But if it's like but playing there, I don't it's not like I think about it much, but it's kind of it. Maybe it just kind of blends together for me a little bit. And obviously I've got no context to the you know what fans liked about against me before this album comes out, or and I, and this is one of those times where I actually didn't listen to a lot of the other stuff because I was just trying to dive into this one, and so it's weird because this is the only glimpse of it, and I remember the same thing about like seeing him live. It was like I was not I was like impressed by their musicianship, but I don't remember any songs that that makes sense. You know some if I see a band and like a song stands out to me, like that's normally like well, that I know that happens to me. It shows when there's bands I've never seen before heard of and they like play a song and I go okay, like that really that caught my attention. I don't remember anything catching my attention. The funniest thing about that night was that every single person in every single one of those bands were all black for some reason. Like it's like they were all like in black tshirts and black jeans, like everyone, to the point where Dave girl like made a joke about it because he was like wait, we're all were all black, like so did Jimmy World. So that gives me music. We look like a bunch of Rhoadies. He's like, no offense, guys, but it was just it was kind of that was one thing that stood out that night is like everyone were all black, accidentally, apparently, but yeah, so, I mean that sounds weird. It's like normally I have a stronger opinion when h or not, but I just really don't think I'm like I like it, it's fine. It's fine. I don't love it and I don't but there's nothing that bugs me about it either, because some of the other podcast where we've talked about an album that I either didn't love or didn't listen to, like there were things that really bothered me about it. But there's like productions great on this, like songs are pretty good, like definitely some cool musical stuff going on, but it's just, you know, maybe not totally my thing, which is fine, but so I'm going to put my first impression at it. Would be fine, like if you were playing this in the van back in the day, and you probably did. I didn't ask you to turn it off, if that makes sense. Didn't ask him to turn it up though, either. Did yet? Right, right, but like I remember, I remember specifically like yeah, come to the front, this is fine, this is fine. Yeah, music is but you like it, uh, but I really hate stuff that people played back then that like I specifically did not like. Like I remember, you know that happening whereas like I do not like this and that that. I don't I don't feel that way about this. So that's that's my first impression. Maybe not a fair, fair one, but it's honest. Yeah, that's and that's what we're doing on here until launch. Truth. Okay. So now, like it is, I'm also just trying to deflect so that the against me fans can just be mad at me. It's there. We got me for making this record not like their other records. Okay, I'm just trying to deflect. It'd be against you. They can be against me, yeah, instead of against against me. Okay. Well, let's go...

...into track by track and discuss these fun fact on spotify. I don't know if apple music is split this up this way. I didn't realize that the last four tracks that are on spotify are just part of a deluxe edition black crosses and in. To be fair, I thought the last four tracks of this album were strange. So I was glad when you sent me the track listening, Chris, that I was like Ah, the first ten or the album and then these are like now, dude, the same thing happened to me when I first started listening to it. I was like this albums long. Yeah, I was like Fem Tracts, good job, I don't remember this album being that long. It's not like thirty three minutes, because that sounds because, yeah, because there's a less only ten. Yeah. So, anyway, I feel like spotify and apple need to do a better job of actually, like what, yes, some way of being like like maybe an astrick or like a underline, something that tells you, like this is not the original track listing, and there needs to be a setting where I cannot play the bonus tracks. Yeah, there needs to be just a worldwide, global setting on my on my spotify or apple music, that is I do not want to play the bonus tracks. Just don't do it unless I ask you too. These are feature requests we're asking for. Anyway, that's all beside the point, because here is the title track and the first track, white crosses, I ch. I did just look it up, by the way. This was January of two thousand and eight that I saw them with Jimmy World two fighters. So a couple of couple years before this album. I was trying to timeline that. Yeah, me remember, me and the green eyed monster were looking it up to very jealous that you got to go to I was like what, what? where? Where was I where? I didn't go to the show. I have no idea why. Yeah, my wife got me tickets for our small were married yet. So girlfriend of the time. Yeah, what a Gal. Yeah, that's a keeper, definitely, and I did smartly Christmas go to you. First title track. Fun Facts about the city of St Augustine, Florida, which we're talking about in this song. San Marcos Avenue, the cannons are a reference to the Castigio d Sin Marcos and it's the oldest city in the United States, founded in continuous city that's continued from from the moment of founding in one thousand five hundred and sixty five. I just wanted to shout some facts out about I didn't know any more. It was in this story in one thousand five hundred and sixty five. I thought it's just swamp down there that point, except for the city of St Augustine, where it was or jambitable without calls home. No, it's so as inhabitable without air conditioning. I we will have to go back and talk to them or maybe look up some of the historical records, but yeah, very that is a fun fact. Down know that. So you know I always dug the song coming with the snare drum like he does in the big Jangling Guitars, and you know, the lyrics against me is always had interesting way that you know Laurd Jane Lake will go through the lyrics. I don't know how to put it. It's just it's like not even like a conversational style. It's like a matter of fact style, like Oh, you were going for a jog and you saw some stuff this, you're a walk like it's like the songs just about like one day going for a walk and it's still magical. I liked a lot. I think that might be one of the reasons of my indifference is that we've talked about how different people seem to write lyrics. It does feel a little bit like he wrote all this stuff down and then and then made it fit into a song. Yeah, and I don't know if that's the right or the wrong way to do it. I'm not saying it is right or wrong or something like that, but there are some lyrics where I'm just like, Huh, it just it. I don't know. And there's certainly some things like that it's like rattling off things from Florida in this right right like the list of things I saw, things of Florida. Absolutely, but maybe that's unfair, Kyle. What are your first impressions? Are Guests Not First Impressions? What are your total impressions? By total impressions of Track One are? It's a great opener. It kicks, but I love when he screams saying Augustine, shine your light down on me, and and and I love the snare. Blake. I think that's a really good point to get to super early in the first track. There's no question that they write songs that way. Like, in my mind they're just writing at whether you want to call it...

...poetry or a story or whatever, and then fitting it into a song. I just I just kind of dig it and and I appreciate the way that they do it. But but that I when you said that, it's like, oh, yeah, they totally write songs like that, and I could see that not being your bag, and it can be. It's not like lyrics are just weird for me. I've mentioned bunch of times on this podcast I don't paid that close attention to them. Honestly, it's like normally, if you are just pretty good at lyrics, I don't notice much about what's going on, except for maybe the clever line here there. But it's not like I'm ever like it's never the thing I'm diving into. There's just there were a few things that, in listening to this album like that, just stood out and just felt like they didn't fit right or something. And whereas like we talked about green day warning couple episodes ago, and it's like it just feels like every single thing was like purposeful land and planned and put together and it like nothing was wasted kind of thing. And maybe that's unfair. Obviously, pre charmstrong say, fantastic songwriter. It's been doing it for a really long time. This feels just a little bit more halfhazard, but it's also that's kind of punk rock to yeah, I also think I also want to say that it I still think it sounds really good, like the recording. Yeah, but big did a he did a pretty good job. Yeah, butch big is and I've talked we've talked about this before. He's not my favorite producer. It's weird. This is about the cleanest sounding album I think I've heard him do, though. Yes, yeah, it is clean like it this sounds way more produced than most of the stuff that butch big does, and that would that actually kind of surprised me because I started looking at the wikipedia stuff, like right as I listen to this album's I was like, Oh, butch fig produced it, and I said, sometimes for me that ends up being something that I don't love, like I don't know and I can't not put my finger on it, and I think he's it's still intrigues me when he does something because I'm like, he doesn't tend to work with like bad artist, if that makes Neverense, like there's just some stuff about his production stuff, and this is his second album with them. Yeah, so maybe. Anyway, like, I think it's it sounds better than a lot of the stuff that butch big does. It sounds it's really tight and really clean and in the guitars have like more clarity. I feel like then some of the stuff that butch does coming from that kind of GRUNGY s thing, like I was I was trying to remember the other album that we did that was butch fag it was afi. Yeah, yeah, and what else did he do? Is that the only other one. We've done that he did? I can't remember. I thought we'd done maybe too. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. So I will. I did want to say I also enjoy a good narrative and like this is kind of all over the place, but I've I'm like, I so desperately wish I could talk to Laura Jane and be like why do you want to smash all the crosses? I'm going to have a pretty good idea of like, I know what absolutely like. I know exactly what the songs are about. They're not. It's pretty on the nose. They're not vague and they're not and they're cohesive to it's not. It's it's not filler like some people. I feel like you're just going like well, here's the melody and I got to write some lyrics in there and they just did whatever kind of comes out rhythmically. They've kind of put on paper and and they don't mean anything, and that's F fine too. I've ID do that sometimes and no, I can tell. It's like this is stuff that is real and it's not like made up for the sake of the song. But sometimes it just doesn't fit right. So okay, let's go to a track. To you, I was a teenage an artist, was a lie. When Chris Mon ye thoughts on teenage anarchist track to okay, I love the song for so many reasons I want to talk about just I will try not to talk too much about the song, but first of all, I can relate to it so much just because we growing up, you know, like I mean, I was never like full on Punk Rock, like liberty spikes anything like that, but just like going from that, you know, and like learning about the music business and then getting out of the music business and growing up and you know, the Revolution knows a lie. When he screams that line, I'm just like yeah, it's so much. I also thought it was cool reading interviews with the band, because they were kind of going through it, you know, transition and...

...this time from being that punk rock band and like they were getting bigger and they were like yeah, I mean we were all about being punk rock and cool, but like like, you know, one day somebody was like hey, you guys need to pay your taxes, and we were like taxes, like we didn't know how to pay taxes, like where to get a business manager. And so when these kids were yelling, shout, you'll sell out out of this. We're like hey, guys, listen to the real world's a little more complicated. Yeah, always how it goes, though, so I don't know, I absolutely dig it, man. And when I was reading about the taxes and business majors thing, I just thought, I was like that's that's too funny not to share anyway. So yeah, dig it. Background vocals, creamy, mm, butch fake kyle thoughts. I love it and I love the way they're Laura Jane's vocals stacked our perfection. Not Everybody's vocals stacked sound good to me. I love the the way their voice sounds stacked. And then, also, do you remember when you were young and you wanted to set the world on fire? I am of the opinion that every young boy, their first two loves are one their MOM and to fire. And so real fire, not metaphorical fire. Yeah, actual fire. And so this song always makes me laugh because I'm like, I did remember when I was young and wanted to set the world on fire because fire was cool. And also, I'm not I don't want to pull Bab some but Heead, I'm not. I'm not telling anyone to set anything on fire. I'm just being honest and saying maybe I was a little bit of a Piro when I was younger. So, yeah, I dig it. I appreciate. I appreciate the like honesty of this song and that it's not it is weird because it is like the music business is a busy business. It's in and and that is a part of it. And also, getting older is a real thing and growing up and stuff and you can't be a teenage anarchist for forever or you're just kind of one of those people. The FBI is keeping an eye out, you know what I mean. So I like, I do appreciate that, that it's not trying to be like we're forty and we're still freaking punk rock and like, I don't know you does that makes sense? Like I appreciate that they're like yeah, you know, this is a you know, growing up as real and like things change and stuff. I like that. I think it's a instead of just trying to be like pretend that they're these, I don't know, anarchist punk rockers and then go back to their you know, houses and taxes and whatever the things are. So yeah, I appreciate it. For that reason. Let's go to because of the shame, track three, because of Kyle sevenths. We're going to you first, tract three, because of the shame thoughts. I'm still digging this record. I'm digging it. And also, I talked about their voice stacking. Well, it's also just like such a Growley, awesome freaking voice, like I always wished I had a voice like this, and I think it would take me a lot of cigarettes, Marborough red cowboys ripping the filters off baby straight eating them. Maybe I don't like bring my great my great aunt, smoked unfiltered camels. I mean they smelled so bad. Great Aunt, what a hoot. But yeah, I dig the song. I surprised. I really like this record, guys. So, yeah, Chris Money, we are your thoughts. This is the springsteen song on this record. It does, yeah, the bout well, and he he talked about writing that for a friend, a really good friend was murdered and she loved Bruce Springsteen. So they wrote this song and tribute her. So that's why terably. So Oh, yes, yeah, sorry that it did murder, both lyrically and stylistic murder. Yeah, I don't just like died tragically murdered. Yeah, yeah, yes, but wow. Yeah, so that's it. But it so the bring springsteen things. Not just like a it's a directly, oh maurposeful omage. Yes, well, I like that. Yeah, that's how I like it. Got The big Chimy Chiny Chimes. That makes me like it more. I don't really. This is one of those things. Again, I was just kind of like, not one of my...

...favorite on the records. I definitely like the first two tracks leading into this one more, but that's a that makes me feel bad for not liking as much. But okay, let's go track for suffocation. Yeah, I mean that sounds tight. Maybe I didn't listen to any butch big stuff post two thousand and eight. I have to. I'M gonna have to go back and give butch some more. I feel like I may have slept on butch a little bit, because this sounds good. Hmmm, I call. What are your thoughts on suffocation? Man, this is this is one I really dig a lot. The freaking chorus is such a headbanger, like I can just picture myself watching them at the show and just bobbing my head to it and also, I appreciate that this one has a little bit of a different vibe stylistically from the songs before it, but this one of my favorite songs on the record. Spoiler. Sorry, spoiler alert. Spoiler. Chris, what are your thoughts on suffocation? Totally agree. It's it's a nice little break. It would be easy with this band style, to like keep going through at the same kind of style. Songs like kind of breaks up the style a little bit. And Yeah, my other note was because that is one grolly hood. It's well done. Yeah, I dig this song, despite me not feeling especially sorry for someone doing cocaine and then complaining about it being a Western culture problem. But, but that's a little tongue in cheek. I think it's talking about the well, you're wealthy, people, wealth rr it. See. Yeah, it's just kind of funny. It's like, you know, what would help you crawl out of this suffocating western thing is not doing cocaine. For you, it's not generally gonna turn into no one's ever like wait, thanks, are done. Cocaine in my life got better, said no one ever. No one's ever been. All my problems were solved when I started doing cocaine. It's a good thing to avoid kids. Yeah, kids don't do cocaine. Yeah, we away with anything from this podcast. It would I could be are if we don't as agree on the songs, but we do agree drugs are bad. It's in particular kids don't do cocaine. Specifically, what did you have a boss one time? I told you are someone that told you never trust I could cocaine. Yep, my boss, it at Saucy, said never trust a cokehead. And you know what, I don't think. But going before the advice, I don't think I was like, you know, I would want to hear him out, but I do remember thinking like okay, no, that's actually really good. I'll just always remember that this is sage advice. Yes, I feel like I like to feel like we don't have have a soapbox here on this podcast, but you know, don't do cocaine kids. I could get behind that. Yeah, it looks like a really like just across the board. We can all agree. I think we all feel that way. It's not a good idea. We I'm sure we will hear from the pro cocaine ground, the cocaine lobby. We've pissed off a lot of we okay, now friends with their white mustaches. I'm not. Oh my gosh, okay, let's go try track five, which is we're breaking up. Lad I kind of appreciate that. He just comes out there and says we were breaking up. Doesn't have to be subtle, just like the title of the song is we're breaking up. Yeah, but like it, Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? I like this song. I really like the words. This is the only voice I know. These the only words I have. This is the only way I know to say we're breaking up. But I also have always been confused by this song because of the outro with him saying I'm not giving up on us, like, but you just broke up. Yeaah. I don't quite understand that either, but maybe, maybe, maybe...

...they were just trying to end it on a positive note. I don't know. I really like this song, but that always kind of bothered me because it felt, it feels a little weird right after that kind of Bridgeye Chorus, you know what I mean, like this, I don't know. This is the only way I know how to tell you we're breaking up, but I'm not giving up on us. I bet that. I bet that made a Gal Phil Special. You know what I mean? I feel like, see, I felt like that would be the text message that you got like aft like the next day. Like, wait, why not given up? Wait, I thought we broke up. Wait, what is? This is confusing and she's like showing her friends, like what does this mean? Yeah, we revolved is I'm not giving up on I know that ridens. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, that sounds like something you do in the moment, but not then right in a song. Yeah, that point it's either over or not. I don't know. Or maybe I don't know. It's hard to know. Good is a good way to keep the close in, you know, like just in case. I'm not giving up on US much. You break up, but I'm gonna bend here. I just broke up with you, but I'm not giving up on us. We're still cool, right that you're Florida accident right now, Chris, what Shit, what are your thoughts on? WE'RE BREAKING UP? Yeah, dig this song. It is kind of a sad breakup song. Actually wrote down the exact lyrics that kyle reference there. I think they're great. I've also I like I love. When they say we ustill like all the same bands, like the opening of the second stand, I'm like, hit me, De Yeah, we've all, yeah, we all. We've all been there, for sure. What the I mean? We? I joke about my wife being that way. Now it's now we. Yeah, wait, didn't? We didn't? We like the same bands and now you don't like any of the bands I like. Katie was super excited we were doing this record, though. Okay, you guys are doing against me. I was like, Oh, you finally care. It's only even this is our thirty eight episode. Hey, since you guys both mentioned your wife's I like to mention mine and I'd like to I would like to tell a quick story. Chris, you mentioned that line about liking the same bands and like how that hitch you in the fields, and I agree. That's a great lyric my wife and I spoke specifics on music one time ever, and it was in a conversation while we're dating. I said, Hey, what do you think the best love Song ever written is? And she said I said I loved you, but I lied by Michael Bolton, and I said, you know what, let's just talk about other things like that is a true story and then never was spoken of again. No, I don't talk about that, and by that you mean music. You don't talk about just this passion of mine, this thing that I love deeply. We don't talk about it. And and to be fair to my wife, she's the person that, like, she rides to work without the radio on and, like, you know, it's just that's fine, it's not a thing for her. But but because of that, it was just making it worse for us for her to like try, you know what I mean, like she doesn't think that's the best song ever written. Come on, no one does. But but she was trying in that moment and it's like, you know what, we don't need to do this. So that's my story. It's the greatest story. But my wife, why should I have to change my name? He's the one who sucks. Are also good? Oh Man, that's pretty good. One conversation about music, ever, that's pretty great. I like that. You just said. Okay, we're going to leave it there. Yep, it's just for the best. All right. Well, let's go to track six, high pressure low. That's just so Futu. We got the title in there at the very in Chris, what are you thought on high pressure low? Okay, I've never been able to decide if I like the guitar tone on the Lead Guitar, the Little Bouncy Guitar Tone. It just I just sometimes I like it and sometimes I don't. I'm back and forth. I do love this song. Once again, the background vocals are so deliciously spread over the song like butter. It just makes it sound so great. I don''t know, I always thought that that was the piece of every puzzle. I...

...always thought on the best records that I love, the post for the backgroun vocals always sounded so great. So I think that's fair, fair way to judge a record. Sometimes it's consistent. If you know it, they sound good and I will like the song, at least for me. And you know, one of the third single on the album that name checks the secretary defense in the Vietnam area under Lenna be Johnson, Robert Strange McNamara. Props to get on that one in the third single. Yep, Magnumara is not easy to rhyme with anything, you know, honestly, no. And my favorite thing is it Robert McNamara. He can't be talking about that. Robert, Robert Strange McNamara. Oh, okay, definitely, was, definitely, okay, got it. How old are these guys? Were? They're older than they're our age, I think us. Okay, I thought they. Yeah, I think, but born in the early S or mid s? You think so? Maybe just a touch older. I bet they're a little writer. I don't know. We'll look that up during the next song and play cut. For now, Kyle, what are your thoughts on high pressure low? I dig. I dig this song and it's I kind of dig how it's it always kind of has, especially with the background vocals of the woes, like kind of a kind of a happy vibe to it, and there is nothing happy about what he's singing about and I think that's pretty cool. And Yeah, Love, love the BGV's. I actually do like the guitar tone, Chris, okay, but like got a second but like here, you know, I don't I don't feel like super passionate about anything. I just I think this is a really great sounding record and I haven't, I don't know, like all the butcher big records off the top of my head, so I couldn't really I couldn't really compare it to anything else he's done, but I do know that over the last couple weeks I was listening and thinking, man, this thing sounds freaking good. So good song, good tune, bummer lyrics. But yeah, but I do like that juxtaposition of totally bummer lyrics on what sounds like an upbeat, happy song. Sometimes it works pretty well. I think it works well in this case. Yeah, I like it. I think it's good, good tune. I pressure low. Let's go to ache with me, track seven. I hope it doesn't matter. I've got the judgment. You, Chris Mounier. Thoughts on Ache with me? I like this song, Nice Ballad, great guitar work. I don't know what that style guitar is called, the fast picking. It almost sounds like a ANI mandolin, but it's yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. Yes, yes, I was like, I was like I knew, I knew, I knew. My Guitar homie would know exactly what that was. Thank you. It's like that Italian instrument, from Italian stuff that's Italian, from from Italia, from Italy. Oh, yes, goods. Well, know the most famous Italian cuisine is from courmas. We all know that, YEP, and no, I authentic. And their and their most famous actor from captain whatever has a mandolin is a Nicholas Cage, very famous Italian, M Italian cinema film. Yes, oh my gosh. and Tom Gabel was initially uncertain about this romantic tune, but Fitch, butch big, convinced him to put it on the record, and I don't I like that choice. I think it's a really great record. It's a really great song. I think, you know, not every punk album needs a ballot, but I certainly think that my favorite punk albums all have a ballad, but kind of lightned, lightns the mood a little. So I like that. The style of Song it's. Yeah, that wouldn't mean it's Ballady, but not quite like ballot. I mean it's got more of a Western kind of gallop to it. I garante. I mean I assume this is a track that, against me, fans hated, right. I mean this would be like the what they seems likely. I did, I mean find anything like that, but you, you're you. I just I assume you know when I'm reading that, like Oh, some fans were pissed. I mean it's like this seems like. But what's funny about it is that it's definitely one that sticks out to me as like a cooler song, like I really like that that chorus that we barely got to at the end of that clip. It's really cool sounding. I dig it and I'm all for it.

So, but that's probably a bad sign if you're the Kist me, that I'm like, yeah, I'm not in on this kind of slower, sad ballad kind of thing. Kyle, what are your thoughts on it? I really like this song. I like all the things you guys talked about. What one of my favorite things is? Like I think of being young and dating and like, for whatever reason, when that happens, it's it becomes other people's business and you get other people's opinions on who you should date and how you should date. And, like I you always heard or had someone that you knew that like you'd they talked about settling for someone. You know, like Oh, you're settling, and my favorite thing about this song is like it it actually kind of captures to me what love is like. You don't, you're not settling for someone that you love. Is just like you pick someone and you get all that they are with that and like him dissecting their disappointments and, you know, the things that they have an accomplished and just and accepting them for for who they are. I think is really nice. I think it's a really cool, really cool song. I really did the lyrics. So yeah, I'm in. I like it. I wish, I wish it kind of did the ache with me thing more than once. Yeah, it feels it feels like it should happen again, like I really like that kind of course, but just kind of ends. All right. Let's go to Spanish Moss. There were good no need for a fad on that one. Chris thoughts on Spanish Moss. This is one of my favorite songs of all time. I love this song. It's like yeah, no, on my itunes it's like like number seven, I think, of the most played songs. I've always just absolutely love this song. I love the VIBE. I'm not exactly, you know, sure what the song is about lyrically, I but you know the it's got almost like a you too feel to it, like not like not on the nose, like a youtube amage song, like the Bruce Springsteen one was. But I don't know, just it's got some very uplifting vibes and, you know, kind of feel like it like they're taking us to church a little bit here. I love the song. I can't say enough good things about it. Kyle, what are your thoughts? So I also love this song, but I will say in listening to it over the last couple weeks, I realize that, like it's it sounds so perfect, like everything is just so perfect about it. It almost sounds it is extremely commercial, you know what I mean, like it sounds like it would it's the background music on a on, a on, like a Ford truck commercial or something like that. In that's sounds like I'm ripping on it. I'm not, because I love the song, but I guess I just never noticed it until this week. It just sounds so perfect, almost to the point of sounding manufactured. But I do love the song and see, I wouldn't. I mean I didn't catch that vibe from this. I do like it as far as it's definitely one of the tracks that stood out to me on the record, but Lo's just pause and listen again. Listen to that. Okay, we're gonna, but it would be a fighting emo first tract. I play that back, pay that back. But now I'M gonna go listen to it at some point, listen this again and go like I didn't, I didn't. I don't feel like this one's anymore so than the other tracks on the record. I guess if I go that way, it's definitely a little more epicy, you know. Yeah, than the other ones. It feels a little more anthemy in some ways. So maybe maybe that's what the vibes you're picking on. I like it, though it stood out to me it may be on a commercial. That maybe why, why this is how I mean? I've heard Blanko to on a car commercial. So it's that's coming around, that the bands that we thought we're not old are now old for sure. So okay, so that Spanish muscle. Let's go to rapid decompression, track nine. Sometimes that drum...

...fill at the end it's pretty boss. Chris, let's go to you first, since you were are drumming rapid decompression, one of the so the drummer from hot water music played with them, which just completely closes. I think AFI hot our music. We're friends. If I it gets their album done by BUCH vague. Hot War music drummer steps in to play, because I bet anyway, I bet there's a connection there, anyway, that one of the reviewers like they didn't even show off the drummer. I completely begged to different. I think that some of the drums on this album are amazing. I love this. This is old school gable but also the wall punk song. Love the Callin answer. The song's got some major like clash Joe Drummer Vibes and you know, clashes one of my favorite bands. So always been really into this one. I liked that they kind of bring it, bring bring some noise at the end of the record some and for old school against me fans, this would be more more akin to the style that they had before, more of the reinventing axel rose kind of style. So as a guy that like didn't listen to the rest of it, this would be the closest thing to previous against me that's on this record. Would you say? I think that's a fair thing to say, Kyle Um. It's close. Yeah, yeah, Kyle. What are your thoughts on the song, other than not knowing if it sounds like old you're yeah, I'm election. I think it rocks. I think I love that it's punk rock. In that clip that you played, I was like, yeah, I love that. I know all the words to this part. Yeah, because it's of them. But but also, even though I'm making a joke out of that, I like a song really a song really does rock. If, if that's all he's singing your and I'm still digging it. You know what I mean. Like, what more does he need to say? If, if, it works. So I really like this one for all the reasons that Chris said. It's a punk rock song. So I like it. And this is how I know I'm not our true punk rocker. If that I need know, like this song. I don't like songs like this. I just don't. I don't like I don't know, it's just not my thing. It's some I'm sorry, I was never cool enough. I'm not true punk rocker. I'm sorry. I'm a pop punker and they're different there. They are different there. I'm not cool enough. Sorry. Yeah, it's just not my numb a flavor. So it's good to know that. I would if it's is not my flavor, I probably should not go to the back catalog of against me. I might not be thoroughly impressed. I don't know, man, I think you should at least check out new wave. Yeah, I can do whatever the heck I want because I've got all the music at my finger. That is not like I have to go buy the hour the world is thanks to the awards winning Apple Music Library, not gonna hurt, which is not a sponsor of the show by any means. But no, check it out. No, we don't even gosh, we should try to get apple music accounts for free. That'd be great idea. I'm sure that in a sea of millions of users, Tim Cook does not care about US talking about apple music on our dumb podcast. Who knows, maybe he'd just like, out of the kindness of his heart, a okay, what if Tim Cook is a huge punk rock fan? What if he loved two thousand demo? What if he was just like a huge Emoi Fan? He's like this, this show is my jam. He's like, you know, I went producing Ted Lasso. I'm a trillionaire, but for me just doesn't get any better than from under a corn tree, and that's just really key. I'm just kicking him like pulling that up on stage as the example track and be like get that, such a great trip with a South Carolina draw you hear that lossless audio? Yeah, make that would make my year. If I saw Tim Cook, like rock and fallout boy or dashboard professional at an apple keynote. That was I can only pray. Oh, that would be so good. Okay, let's go to final what you are our generation is going to start being the CEOS of companies in the next fifty, twenty years. So that's the kind of thing is going to happen. It's going to be weird happen. Yeah, like I said, well, it'll probably be. Yeah, well, well, it'll probably be hoobastanks the reason instead. I don't think so. I don't think anyone actually likes that song because, like, I haven't heard that song and in modify streams beg to differ. How does it? Is it really strained? Oh, I surely it's in the millions. Do I think the only people that really love that song were casual listeners of music that never really bought an album? Honestly, I'm going to be honest, honest, I'm going to be honest, guys. Okay, wait, you should be honest, though. Okay, I'm gonna...

...tell the truth. I think that that song fit a a need. This is sounds so messed up, but it's a few it's a funeral song, you know what I mean, like songs like that that like people can play at a funeral and it's like rock and roll, but it's still nice sounding like it's a it's a funeral side. have to check. I'd have to check out all the lyrics of that to make sure that that works for a funeral. But it does. It probably doesn't. I'm just saying like it's that kind of it's that brand of soft rock. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, that all. I'll take that. I mean, look, I've always said if you as a songwriter, your goal should be to write a graduation style song, a daddy daughter Dance Song for the wedding. I mean that's like just guaranteed to roll in the royalties. And I think a good sad someone dying song, you know what would be. You know what Blake and that's why it was huge, because you could make a slideshow to any of those three things, to whobastanks the reasons you could. If someone daddy daughter dance. Yeah, I'M gonna have to go can't believe I'm gonna look up that hoobastanks song. I found. I found a reason to be can I I was gonna quote the lyrics, like no, like I knew them. That I don't. No way you know them. The reason is you. That's the only lyard I know, and I also know that you couldn't hit that note. So he just held the mic out for the yeah, for the crowd to sing instead, and Blake will never forgive him for yeah. We were like, come on, man, you gotta don't. Don't put the note in the song. Can't sing it live. I don't want to get too much on a hoobastink thing about what's a lot? What's a lot of listens on spotify, because I've got the number in front of me. Surely millions? Well, I mean the last big one we talked about was good riddance. Had three hundred sixty million plays for five hundred and thirty million. Okay, so that is holy crap. There they are still printing money off this godawful song. How the world? Oh, it's because of Kyle. You're going to yours, like I know why. I just told you, guys, what I told you. What Holl was. Why, Dude, do we need to rewind the tape? I have not been to a funeral or a wedding or graduation. That I last song you have. Okay, I've been to I've been to multiple funerals. Think about it. Think about like if someone's spouse died and they showed all these pictures of this spouse, guys, just laigs, someone's spouse dying because someone suggested who was stank. We played at a well, at a funeral. I would fight tooth and nail to not have that happen, guys, unless it was me ris down by the deceased person, like when we do this honor, and make sure that doesn't happen at my funeral. Yeah, I'll definitely. I feel like it opposite nes happened. That's like the the last. I just need to make sure. Hey, no, all except Michael Bolton's. I said I loved you, but I lied. What we over? That will be the music people come into the funeral to. And Yeah, as your cast gets lowered down, the reason will be blaring a but like on Bagpipe, a bell choir. Okay, that was K figure out that. It is the reason. Oh, that would be the best final party. Do I know this? Heard this rendition of amazing grace? It's not. It's not. It's we paid this guy six thousand dollars to learn this song just to mess with Kyle, who's now dead, God bless him. And if he's not, he probably guys. Believe it or not, we still have one track to talk on this against me album. Not The reason. It's not the reason. It's not a hoops take out. We have now gone wait, I mean that's as much of a Butt Rock, although that's but rock. They were something else. But it's as much is a butt load of streams, though. That a lot, does it say, admittedly. Okay, let's go to the final track of white crosses, which is bamboo bones. Admitted from the distance, Kyl Simmons thought on the last track. So we I I love that song. I love this song. I love the gets what the guitar is doing. I really love the chorus, even though we didn't get it there. Great Clip, but the the what God doesn't give to you, you've got to go and get for yourself. I really like that. I dig the vibe of this song. It's it definitely is it definitely stands out as being different than the rest of the record and I I think it is a much better song than Hoopa stanks. The reason fact that, as a fact, scientific fact, I...

...think it's the best melody on the record. Hmm across the board, chorus versus like it. This has better melodies than the rest of it. The rest of melodies to me feel like they're not enough. Not as much effort into the melodies as there were on everything else. And for me I just love melodies. That's THY number one thing, and so that's probably the thing that's generally going to hinder me from liking a band like against me is that, like the melodies kind of blur together. There's not a lot of distinction. But the melodies on this one are great. Admittedly, like they're really, really good. I really like, really, really like them. I dig the vibe to Kyle. I'm into the June June kind of almost move along well, or I was going to say George Michael Faith kind of style told that kind of Jangly driving thing. I dig it that. I bet once again that against me fans at the time we're not into it. Just to just a guess, because it is. I can see how you would be like that's not punk rock, but I dig it. I think it's cool. You can dance to it. Yeah, Chris, what are your thoughts? Grate with with what you guys said? Agrees with both of you said. Yeah, so I picked the clip for this, Kyle. I it was hard because I really do like the course as well, but there's something really special about this verse. It's just home. It's got the great drums out and I love how the drums transition from the move along, as you said, to like bringing it over to the snare and the the pushback, pushback, push back with every word and ever breath. I think it's a great lyric so good tune. I think it could be, you know, I'm going to go out here. I can't believe no one else ever did one of these things. I feel like it's the sacred heart songs of the record. It feels like it could be at the end credits of a scrubs episode. Is that? Yeah, I agree, and has that bouncing this to it. It's like kind of hope, you know, that kind of hopefully vibe. It feels like the end credits kind of thing. I did it. I think it's cool. Thing. It's the last tracks. So it's kind of an overlap there. I agree. I think we did a good job with the opening and closing of this record. They did a solid, solid job there. Okay, so let's talk about lasting impressions. You guys are obviously way bigger against me fans. So does it hold up just the record wise, you know, on its own? You know, I think it does. I don't. I don't think it's as big a piece of their what am I trying to say? Repertah, yeah, I don't think when people think about this band, they don't. I don't think they. They don't think about this record. I think it kind of is like the middle of some well, some pretty big moments and yeah, bad too. So it kind of gets it kind of gets hidden by that, but I think it holds up. I mean the production is just freaking awesome. It's it just sounds great. Sounded so good in my car when I was jamming it, you know, the last few days, and I just like really impress like how you just like turn it up it just sonically everything sounded really, really good. So I can confirm it sounds good in a jeep with the top off. Yeah, St good jeep top off, good jeep, good at cheap album. Yeah, Carl Woo, do you think as far as it holding up? Yeah, I agree it does. It holds up. It sounds great and I think Chris is right. Maybe this is on a look a little bit more for our next question, but I'm I do think that this falls in a weird place in their bands biography, you know what I mean, and and discography. There's a there's a distinct before and after that doesn't exist for most other bands, and so I I don't I don't know how this record did, Um, if it was a success or not, but I think it holds up for sure. I think it sounds great and I consensus. I cranked this in the car and it sounded awesome and it is one that you can you can just crank it all the way up and it still sounds good. Nothing gets nasty. So yeah, so, as mentioned before, maybe I was sleeping on butch big maybe he got a lot better in two thousand and ten is year. Maybe it was okay. What about is it their best album? Again, I it's the only one I've listened to. So I really don't have any context here. So fellas. Who's got an opinion on that? HMM, I don't think it's their best. No, it's. So it's very special to me for just the time it came out and I don't know, I was just a it just makes me feel like, I don't know, like it was maybe my late S. something about that, like feeling kind of that combination of freedom and getting older. It resonated with me and I did look it...

...up. Lord Jane is about our age, born in one thousand nine hundred and eighty. So a couple of we're kind of going through maybe the same themes. Maybe that's why it resonated more with me the lyrically. You know, I don't know. My thoughts, Kyle, is it? You know, I think that's really made. No, I don't think it's. I don't think it's their best. I think if you made me choose, I'd have a hard time choosing between transgender DYSPHORIA, blues and new wave. Like that is those two are up there for me, and new wave of special, just because, I mean it was a breakout. It was a breakout record for them. So yeah, no, not their best, but so the really good. I'm going to guess you probably both don't think it's then their most important album either. The all now, okay, it can't be. It cannot be. It's not allowed. Okay, so let's go to awards. Desert Island songs. Two or three of your favorites, Chris Monye is going first. Two or three of my ferrets. It is no question. I was a teenage aren't anarchist because of the shame, and Spanish Moss, which now is always I'm gonna see a four truck bursting through boulder right hair a forward. It's got will. Aren't. No, I'm sorry, he does, GMC Brian Cranston. That does ward these people with good enough voices that they get paid to just talk like us. Well, yeah, like us. Wait, we don't get paid. So are you guys? Did get that memo? Kyle, what are your thoughts? So what's your desert island songs? It's going to be. I was a teenage anarchist, ache with me and bamboo bones, who nice? Yeah, I mean the three that really stood out to me are ache with me, Spanish moss and bamboo bones, which is interesting to me because those are all like basically the last three tracks. I mean really, you know, not quite, because rapid decompression wasn't in that list of things for me. But you know, I can't think of another album that like. The standout tracks to me are all at the back half of it and none of them are at the front half. But and, yeah, I just like I think they're unique on this album. And and I like those three. So I think those would be my my three. How about nobody's perfect. What's the worst song on the record, Kyle? Do you have one? And I'm not. I'm not skipping anything on this record. I enjoy it all the way through. And this is one of those bands with a with a vast catalog to where you know, asking if it's their best. No, it's not their best, but like, they consist for me, they consistently put out good stuff. Yeah, and and I'm not, I'm not taking anything off this one. What about you, Chris? Feel the same way? I feel the same way. And there's really ten songs I like this band does. It's a lot. They keep it short and sweet, like you're only getting paid for ten, you might as well. That's right. Everything else the label's just gotten. Now are only paying her for ten, are you know? I mean I don't really like rapid decompression. I don't know if I'd kick it off or not. It just it's the one that I kind of go man the most and, like I said, this could grow on me too. I've only been listened as album for like a week and a half now or something, so that's generally not enough to really judge it totally fairly. So all of my opinions here are are relatively new and fresh, and I was there reserve the right to change those later at some point. Album. Hey, keep keep listening. Let's do it. Let's do a special update like unsolved mysteries used to do sometimes. Nice. We should do that. Let's do that with all the albums that we need to like, keep track of the first listen any of us had, like it was the first time we were listening, and let's keep spinning of every once in a while and see if we feel differently in a few months or a year or something like that. That might be a good experiment, because there are some albums that we will do on this show that were like that. For me for sure, like that I did not like the first few times I listened to like not just was indifferent to like, did not like and then became some of my favorites. So it does happen and I'm never upset if that does happen. Just one more thing that I like. Why is that a bad thing? What about growing out of shower song? You didn't like it first, but now love Kyle. Do you have one? Nope, okay, Chris. Do you have a grown on a shower? I think. What is it? Because the shame, not that it was any there was anything wrong with it, but it just it didn't hit me the same way until I don't know. It's the same thing with what's the band from the killers? What's the band from from Las Vegas? Big Band? Which one? Yeah, yeah, what's the what's the why? And I think of the killers most famous song right now. When you were young or yes, yeah, yes, I remember being I'm a huge Bruce springsteen fan. I remember when...

...somebody pointed out that that Song had bruce springsteen vibes and I liked it more. It's the same way of for me with because of the shame. Once that kind of like really was like, what is it about the song? I really dig and once I picked up on that I liked it even more do you? It's funny about Bruce Spring springsteen. For me, I am I enjoy Bruce springsteen fine, but I'm not a huge Bruce Springsteen Fan, but I love the stuff that he's influenced, if that makes sense, like a lot of the yeah, a lot of the people that I really like that I know, like really really like Bruce Springstein. It's like it's like I needed that one spot removed from it, if that makes sense. That's cool. Like this is not me dog on Bruce Springsteen. I think he's great. It's just but I very much into the people that are really into him. And then writing you like, you know, like he's on that new bleachers record and it's like this perfect kind of vibe. And he did a thing thing with the killers. To you mentioning the killers. They did dust land fairy tale together, like a re recording of it and stuff, and their new album is like such a springsteen album, like totally all the way the killers is. So, you know, that's an interesting Bruce Note. I feel like a lot of good stuff that he influenced comes out. Anything else about the album? Before we wrap up, this is one of our shorter episodes. Guys, we're or like blowing through this. I feel like I forgot to do something short, short album. It is a short album. Let's chippy. Yeah, that's a to be fair. Okay, well, I guess that's it. Thanks for listening and again, if you like what you here, please consider giving us a glowing review on Itunes, five stars. We would really appreciate that. And, of course, you can subscribe so the episodes convenely show up on your mobile device on any of those podcast platform platforms that you listen to. You can always send us your comments, disagreements or suggestions to info at finding Emoi podcom or on any of the social media networks. We are can be found at finding EMO pod. We'd love to hear your opinions about this and or the other records we do. We enjoyed those discussions. They're pretty great. We've not been we've had no knockdown, drag out by Chet with anyone on the Internet about these, and that's it's fun to discuss them. We're often wrong, though. We find about our little facts and figure sometimes, but that's okay. It's Wikipedia and you, what can you do? So that's it for us. We will catch you next time all right,.

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